What if trump pardons himself

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3:05p, 11/20/20
What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

I assume that some here will respond that it'll be necessary for trump to issue such broad pardons for himself and his family, including even for future crimes, as protection from vindictive/false prosecution by the deep state, etc. If that's how you feel about it, okay, duly noted. But for the rest of you who support trump, would him pardoning himself before leaving office cause you to reconsider your support?
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3:07p, 11/20/20
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3:08p, 11/20/20
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pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?
That would be so awesome it would be the Purge every day for the Trump family.
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3:09p, 11/20/20
He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

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3:10p, 11/20/20
So, the first three responses find the possibility of trump pardoning himself and/or his children to be utterly outlandish, in never-gonna-happen territory? So if he were to do it, that would presumably lower your opinion of him?
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3:11p, 11/20/20
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All for it if he can. Its the minimum pay back for the judicial farce that has let all the Obamians of the dossier coup skate and the Pelosi-Schumer subversion go without penalty. Forcing a situation where the double-standard "justice" system has to at least leave him alone after leaving office is just fine.

Incidentally, oddly enough, believe this is possible, and has been done before.
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3:11p, 11/20/20
Interesting given we have so much proof of Biden's crimes. Will he pardon himself?
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3:12p, 11/20/20
Obama pardoned himself, luckily new stuff is fair game
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In reply to titan • 3:13p, 11/20/20
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All for it if he can. Its the minimum pay back for the judicial farce that has let all the Obamians of the dossier coup skate and the Pelosi-Schumer subversion go without penalty. Forcing a situation where the double-standard "justice" system has to at least leave him alone after leaving office is just fine.

Incidentally, oddly enough, believe this is possible, and has been done before.
This. 100% on board with him to protect at least to a small extent the unleashing of the new admin on him and his family. He should employ all protections he can. The DimLibs will stop at nothing.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 3:15p, 11/20/20
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He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

There's no actual precedent for a president pardoning himself, since no president's ever tried it before. There's a DOJ memo from Nixon-times saying that, because no one can serve as their own judge, no one can pardon themselves, but again, it's never been actually tried.

As for why trump would pardon himself, I think the answer's obvious - to stay out of prison. If he did it, I don't think he would care that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so long as it means he won't be federally prosecuted for anything.
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In reply to agjacent • 3:19p, 11/20/20
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agjacent said:
BMX Bandit said:
He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

There's no actual precedent for a president pardoning himself, since no president's ever tried it before. There's a DOJ memo from Nixon-times saying that, because no one can serve as their own judge, no one can pardon themselves, but again, it's never been actually tried.

As for why trump would pardon himself, I think the answer's obvious - to stay out of prison. If he did it, I don't think he would care that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so long as it means he won't be federally prosecuted for anything.

What actual crime are you dreaming up?
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In reply to agjacent • 3:20p, 11/20/20
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Should Obama be charged with crimes for his plethora of criminal activity in office? If not, why is it different than prosecution of fishing expedition crimes that Democrats manage to scrape up against Trump?
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In reply to cevans_40 • 3:21p, 11/20/20
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agjacent said:
BMX Bandit said:
He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

There's no actual precedent for a president pardoning himself, since no president's ever tried it before. There's a DOJ memo from Nixon-times saying that, because no one can serve as their own judge, no one can pardon themselves, but again, it's never been actually tried.

As for why trump would pardon himself, I think the answer's obvious - to stay out of prison. If he did it, I don't think he would care that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so long as it means he won't be federally prosecuted for anything.

What actual crime are you dreaming up?
The same thing trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for - campaign finance violations. Did you forget that trump is "Individual-1"?
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3:22p, 11/20/20
If I were Trump, I would 100% pardon myself before I leave office in 2025. The left is full of vile subhuman filth. They impeached him for nothing. You know they will go after him and his family after he leaves office.
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In reply to agjacent • 3:22p, 11/20/20
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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

I assume that some here will respond that it'll be necessary for trump to issue such broad pardons for himself and his family, including even for future crimes, as protection from vindictive/false prosecution by the deep state, etc. If that's how you feel about it, okay, duly noted. But for the rest of you who support trump, would him pardoning himself before leaving office cause you to reconsider your support?


Trump is staying in the White House. Why would he need to pardon himself?
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3:23p, 11/20/20
Legit when the party of "healing and unity" and supporters of tolerance wants to put Trump in prison for being the greatest President this Country has ever had, likely will ever have.
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Should Obama be charged with crimes for his plethora of criminal activity in office? If not, why is it different than prosecution of fishing expedition crimes that Democrats manage to scrape up against Trump?
I mean, if Obama had been an unindicted co-conspirator in charges that sent his personal attorney to prison during his first term, I would not have been surprised if Obama were to have been charged after leaving office.
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3:24p, 11/20/20
Can't pardon himself for NY state tax fraud usually the states would let the Feds press the case but a federal pardon does not do him much good if he committed tax fraud
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In reply to Sq 17 • 3:30p, 11/20/20
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Can't pardon himself for NY state tax fraud usually the states would let the Feds press the case but a federal pardon does not do him much good if he committed tax fraud
Oh, I know. But it's not like trump is the sharpest knife in the drawer so notwithstanding state charges in New York (or elsewhere), I still think it's decent odds he gives himself a blanket federal pardon on his way out.
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3:31p, 11/20/20
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I'm confused... what crimes have any of the Trump family committed? Serious question.
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3:32p, 11/20/20
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Let's say you molested a child next week. Would you feel worse about yourself if you did that?
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In reply to Thinice • 3:32p, 11/20/20
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Obama pardoned himself, luckily new stuff is fair game

This.
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In reply to ProphAC • 3:33p, 11/20/20
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I'm confused... what crimes have any of the Trump family committed? Serious question.
Serious question - do you know what who Micheal Cohen is, and why he went to prison? Are you aware that in the sentencing documents for his federal crimes, a co-conspirator named "Individual-1" was identified to be trump? Are you aware that people who conspire together to commit crimes are both equally guilty of said crimes?
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3:34p, 11/20/20
This thread is idiotic.
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In reply to agjacent • 3:35p, 11/20/20
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agjacent said:
cevans_40 said:
agjacent said:
BMX Bandit said:
He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

There's no actual precedent for a president pardoning himself, since no president's ever tried it before. There's a DOJ memo from Nixon-times saying that, because no one can serve as their own judge, no one can pardon themselves, but again, it's never been actually tried.

As for why trump would pardon himself, I think the answer's obvious - to stay out of prison. If he did it, I don't think he would care that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so long as it means he won't be federally prosecuted for anything.

What actual crime are you dreaming up?
The same thing trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for - campaign finance violations. Did you forget that trump is "Individual-1"?


Alabama and Clemson are just as dirty at 80s SMU in football if not more so. 80s tsips even dirtier than 80s SMU.

I'll let you ponder on the relevancy of this information and give you the time to come up with your own conclusions as to why Trump should never face any charges for "crimes" related to campaign "violations".

As far as other crimes you think he's done. Can you list off what crimes you beleive he has engaged in over the last 4 years.
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3:35p, 11/20/20
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3:36p, 11/20/20
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trump should pardon himself for china interfering in election?
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3:40p, 11/20/20
What if the world was flat and the moon was made of cheese?
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In reply to agjacent • 3:43p, 11/20/20
agjacent said:
ProphAC said:
I'm confused... what crimes have any of the Trump family committed? Serious question.
Serious question - do you know what who Micheal Cohen is, and why he went to prison? Are you aware that in the sentencing documents for his federal crimes, a co-conspirator named "Individual-1" was identified to be trump? Are you aware that people who conspire together to commit crimes are both equally guilty of said crimes?


Cohen lied to get his sentence reduced for tax evasion. Get out with your conspiracy nonsense.
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3:45p, 11/20/20
Some would say the only crime Trump committed is loving America too much.
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3:46p, 11/20/20
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If Trump wants a pardon, he could resign with a couple of days left and let Pence become President and then Pence could pardon him.
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