Article explaining results of the investigation into the Antrim County snafu:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

The machines had been updated in October with a new ballot to add two local races. However, the county clerk forgot to update the ballot on the software used to report the tabulations. So there was a mismatch between the ballot on the machine and the ballot used to report the results, resulting in numbers being put in the wrong slots.

And it should be noted that those reported numbers are unofficial. The canvassing process takes place before the counts are official.

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But they said any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state.

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Cactus Jack said:

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Article explaining results of the investigation into the Antrim County snafu:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

The machines had been updated in October with a new ballot to add two local races. However, the county clerk forgot to update the ballot on the software used to report the tabulations. So there was a mismatch between the ballot on the machine and the ballot used to report the results, resulting in numbers being put in the wrong slots.

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interesting how all of these misplaced decimals and glitches only benefit one candidate.

that's kind of like flipping a coin and betting on heads every time and always winning. wish I had that kind of luck.

I work in the software industry. This answer is dumb.

Christ, they need to recount and check EVERYWHERE this type of machine was used.

Sure Antrim country is in rural Michigan, and that doesn't matter

Well it seems to have happened a grand total of once in this case, so it would be like flipping a coin one time and landing on heads.

I don't know, if they used a sequential number as the foreign key, then it's dumb, but I've seen it happen.

I updated the OP about the canvassing process and how the actual final numbers are from the tabulations. The unofficial number reported to the state is the one that used the glitch software. The canvassing process takes place in every county, so there is already a check in place to make sure this did not happen anywhere else.

Haha. That's not how code processes. If input has no output destination, the script crashes.

Only way for votes to be tabulated for Biden that were not cast for Biden is by design.

Something like this could be easily obfuscated or remotely edited.

Only way you're going to know the real count is count all by hand with D and R oversight.

We dont know that yet, 1 confirmed instance and how many more to verify?

Bretton Gekko said:

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Haha. That's not how code processes. If input has no output destination, the script crashes.

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I'm not a software person, I described it how I thought it sounded in the article. They went into a lot more detail.

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I work in the software industry. This answer is dumb.

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You have to first imagine how bad government contracted solutions can be. Once you dumb things down to that level you could imagine them using array indexing to record your votes. Then having different definitions of what indexes went to what candidates. Given the track record of government and technology its easy to see something fubar like that.

So you are just here to repeat the talking points.

Cactus Jack said:

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Bretton Gekko said:

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Haha. That's not how code processes. If input has no output destination, the script crashes.

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I'm not a software person, I described it how I thought it sounded in the article. They went into a lot more detail.

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Ya, that's not how this works. A script or program cannot do something it wasn't designed to do, whether by error or not.

Wonder how they discovered it

"Final results 66% Trump"

"Yeah somethings not working, lets check"

If it is that easy to mess up, then they will be wrong all over the country

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So you are just here to repeat the talking points.

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I am here to post an article that followed up on a situation which was discussed here many times in the last few days. I did my best to summarize the article.

Thought it would be of interest to some folks in that I had not seen the results of the investigation posted yet.

Bretton Gekko said:

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Haha. That's not how code processes. If input has no output destination, the script crashes.

Only way for votes to be tabulated for Biden that were not cast for Biden is by design.

Something like this could be easily obfuscated or remotely edited.

Only way you're going to know the real count is count all by hand with D and R oversight.

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So far, this response is the most accurate.

This sounds like the story line from Office Space.

Faith and trust in an honest government was lost right about the time that Bert the Turtle told kids to duck and cover under their magical desk made of plywood and pressed steel.

Anyone who thinks there wasn't a single fraudulent ballot submitted in this election is a liar or willfully foolish. And if one life lost to covid is too many, then one vote lost to fraud is too many.

YOU SAID YOUR SOFTWARE WORKED


technically, it did work

This is an example of how malicious actors who conduct a thorough FMECA (Failure Modes, Effects, and Criticality Analysis) on voting systems equipment and software can discover zero-day vulnerabilities that can be exploited via circumstance.

Placing people in the positions to "make the same human mistake" that will result in significant and even massive errors in vote tallies that slant in only one direction is the very softest spot on the underbelly of our democratic election process. Nobody gets prosecuted or even reprimanded because of the readily accepted, "Oops, did I do that?" defense which is always more than enough to satisfy the Democrat party's media lapdogs.

Why spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to generate support for an inherently unpopular collectivist neo-Marxist policy agenda when the vote tallies can be simply adjusted to attain victory without anyone in the news media or the courts willing to give the process scrutiny? Why indeed when your candidate and agenda is so unpopular that it cannot even draw a swarm of flies.

Bingo. Sounds like what happened. Terrible terrible design if so. Who knows where else the design flaw has caused problems and it might be hard to audit depending on how the data is stored.

Each race should have been given a unique id and each candidate in each race should be given a unique id. Then even if you move races around and add/remove candidates it would have been easily traceable where votes went. It's not hard but it does take attention to detail. Very sloppy.

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Wonder how they discovered it

"Final results 66% Trump"

"Yeah somethings not working, lets check"

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When they reported, Trump had a grand total of two votes in the county. Several of the elected officials said they had voted for Trump (more than two), and asked the clerk to check the numbers.

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Clob94 said:

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Faith and trust in an honest government was lost right about the time that Bert the Turtle told kids to duck and cover under their magical desk made of plywood and pressed steel.

Anyone who thinks there wasn't a single fraudulent ballot submitted in this election is a liar or willfully foolish. And if one life lost to covid is too many, then one vote lost to fraud is too many.

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I don't know anyone who thinks that. We just don't think 4 million fraudulent ballots were cast.

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We don't elect President based on popular vote

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If it is that easy to mess up, then they will be wrong all over the country

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This x100

Why the hell would we trust the national election to something so easily "accidently" "messed up" back in October and not caught till now?

How easy would it be for a partisan actor to "accidently" do this? If this is truly the design, then it's gross incompetence and negligence on the part of all involved.

Calling complete bull**** on this explanation.

Cactus Jack said:

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I updated the OP about the canvassing process and how the actual final numbers are from the tabulations. The unofficial number reported to the state is the one that used the glitch software. The canvassing process takes place in every county, so there is already a check in place to make sure this did not happen anywhere else.

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The canvassing process compares tallied votes against reported votes, as understand it from Texas Election Statutes. The problem is that canvassing, AND re-counts, will not show the true extent of any fraud in the process. And the bulk of the fraud came in the first steps...which occurred in a secluded environment, free from any balanced observation/verification. That process was:

• Receiving the ballot (in accordance with voting Statutes / Rules, time & place...not court/judge opinions)
• Verifying the "Signature" on the envelope - the envelope, not the ballot
• Opening the ballot, ID any issues with "marking" choices (does the envelope accompany the ballot???)
• Acceptance (OR, non-acceptable, or needing upstream review from judges, in which case envelopes accompany it...go in a separate Ballot Box...)
• Throwing it in Ballot Box 1 (approved to count, along with electronic, "in-person" votes) (where did the envelope go???)

So, as the first 4 steps are human intervention, and accepted ballots go on to counting process...as in a machine reader.

Once a ballot is accepted, it is separated from the approval process by which it gained acceptance. Nothing could go wrong here guys...right?

Wrong...once accepted, that ballot could go through a duplication process...and it can't be traced. And the total vote count should be based on acceptance process, as in a count of the envelopes for ALL mail-in, both non accepted and accepted. But not a stack of untraceable ballots...

And that "stack" could easily be augmented...depending on the honor and integrity of those "human processors" in the first 4 steps...

You decide...

After reading the full article.

It goes into great effort to make a distinction between the correctly tabulated results, and the unofficial reporting done by the system.

So its as easy as reading the actual tabulators "official" result? When will or have the official results get posted from these other counties?

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DannyDuberstein said:

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If it is that easy to mess up, then they will be wrong all over the country

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This x100

Why the hell would we trust the national election to something so easily "accidently" "messed up" back in October and not caught till now?

How easy would it be for a partisan actor to "accidently" do this? If this is truly the design, then it's gross incompetence and negligence on the part of all involved.

Calling complete bull**** on this explanation.

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This is why I'm for a national recount, however expensive it is.

They have ALL the ballots, all the logs, everything.

If something turns out, and Biden is not the winner, so be it, thats democracy as defined by the US constitution.

But if something doesn't turn out, I hope ppl can accept the results.

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I don't know anyone who thinks that. We just don't think 4 million fraudulent ballots were cast.

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Thank you, Pauline Kael. Seen any good movies lately?




Google the name and her reaction to Nixon's election. She didn't know anybody that voted for him, either.

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Clob94 said:

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Faith and trust in an honest government was lost right about the time that Bert the Turtle told kids to duck and cover under their magical desk made of plywood and pressed steel.

Anyone who thinks there wasn't a single fraudulent ballot submitted in this election is a liar or willfully foolish. And if one life lost to covid is too many, then one vote lost to fraud is too many.

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I don't know anyone who thinks that. We just don't think 4 million fraudulent ballots were cast.

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We don't elect President based on popular vote

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not at the national level but at the state level we do. We certainly do not use the electoral college as it was created / intended to operate

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Wonder how they discovered it

"Final results 66% Trump"

"Yeah somethings not working, lets check"

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When they reported, Trump had a grand total of two votes in the county. Several of the elected officials said they had voted for Trump (more than two), and asked the clerk to check the numbers.

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Sounds like it was only caught because those elected officials were honest.

The Clerk forgot? Yes. And I forgot my homework...

This is the take of most Republicans, at the end of day most can accept Biden as the winner as long as it's legal and legit.

aggie813 said:

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This is the take of most Republicans, at the end of day most can accept Biden as the winner as long as it's legal and legit.

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Yeah a total recount is for the benefit of both parties and of course, US citizens.