Dumb. You don't like the outcome so we must change the rules...

BigOil said:

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Dumb. You don't like the outcome so we must change the rules...

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The rules needed change a long time ago.

The chickens are roosting...

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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I just want a basic civics test before being able to vote.

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Ideally, but maybe not needed with the raise. That's the value of the OP's remarks. And setting it at 26 would probably make adding such a tricky extra thing unnecessary. You practically assure that by 26 most are not still in college, a form of the dole, and have at least worked in a retail job to know how economics and witholding work, and see their hard earned money going to taxes.

Raising to 26 makes changing other requirements for voting unnecessary. Because at least generally speaking, they are more likely to have an `adult experience' perspective.

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Rittenhouse said:

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polarice said:

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Fine raise voter age to 25, should we also raise the age to own a gun?

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You have to be 21 in Texas to buy a handgun. So, yeah, let's raise the age to 21, agreed?

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No cause it is dumb

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So we should lower the age to buy a handgun to 18 then?

How about 16 instead of 18.

You have zero logical basis for your position, except "muh dumb".

fixer said:

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BigOil said:

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Dumb. You don't like the outcome so we must change the rules...

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The rules needed change a long time ago.

The chickens are roosting...

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Correct. What is so interesting is it is always the Democrats that resist adding any rigor and expectations to voting. As if absolutely dependent on the least capable and informed mindset to be voting.

This is asinine. I worked in college. I paid taxes. I was involved in local politics.

This is a horrible take and you should feel bad for suggesting it. 18 year olds are adults who are capable of working, contributing to our society and making informed decisions. Their politics are their own, not for you to disenfranchise.

Stupid if a 18yr old can be in the military and fight or die for his country he/she has a right to vote

BurnetAggie99 said:

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Stupid if a 18yr old can be in the military and fight or die for his country he/she has a right to vote

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Yah, there is a reason the voting age is 18 and the 26th amendment was passed.

I like the idea of if you pay taxes you vote if not, you don't. Want to play, have some skin in the game. Could even allow the people to do it on a cumulative basis in case of one bad year or something.

The gun analogy is a bit specious.

No one (conservative, liberal, marxist, whatever) wants nut cases, lunatics, people off their meds, etc, walking around with firearms of any type (not even flintlock cap and ball).

But these same people are able to vote and this is goal tended vehemently by the left.

In both cases, voting and gun ownership, mentally sound people have to be participating in the rights.

so should we do the same thing for drinking ? if kids arent responsible enough i wouldnt trust them with alcohol either

"My side can't win elections any more so we should just strip people of their rights until they can"

titan said:

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27. Isn't the frontal lobe of maturity developed at 26?

Macro decision making shouldn't be made by lower, and before most enter the economy. Notice that Obama wanted kids to stay on parent's programs till 26. In that sense he had the right idea that below that is not really "wordly" unless they have moved into real jobs and campus life is not it.

Service, as ever, is an exception. So no need to bring it up.

Or make it "sort of" 25. When you hit 26th birthday.

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if you're going to tie voting rights to optimal biological function then the only people voting would be between 25 and 40. After that it's all downhill.

All the butthurt in these types of threads being created daily. Lol

At 20, I was an intern in DC.

I saw more than you can imagine, especially interning with Jack Brooks.

Should all the "thugs" who are under 26 be tried as minors since they aren't capable of making informed decisions?

PeekingDuck said:

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I don't think anyone should have a vote who doesn't have a net positive tax bill. Though I'm sure that could be abused too. For that matter there should also be an upper age cut-off. It'd limit ballot harvesting fraud for sure.

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This. There's a reason my kids' opinions mean jack **** when it comes to financial decisions.

You don't bring money to the table, you don't get a seat.

BrandoC said:

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Kids who do not pay taxes should have no right to vote. Not only that, kids at this age are primarily immature on how government works and only vote on popularity or how professors in college tell them how to vote. Get out in the world first and see how things operate. I doesn't matter which side of the line you are on.

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Well at 18 I was working and paying taxes. I did not have the opportunity to go to college until later in life, I did not have the opportunity to be monetarily supported. I was supported with an excess of love and non-monetary support. . As a teacher, young adults see and understand more than we know. They are effected by the choices so they should have say.

FrioAg 00 said:

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As long as we're amending the constitution, let's gets real about voter responsibility

Two ways to get a vote:

1) 4 years military service with honorable status
2) 4 years consecutive net tax payer, at least 10% of FPL


Three ways to lose your vote:
1) convicted of a crime (above some defined threshold)
2) declare bankruptcy
3) accept more than $10k of public assistance (lifetime)

We have a huge (and growing) freeloader problem in this country and it will eventually take us down unless we get serious about changing it

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BK = losing right to vote? How many times would Trump have lost his rights? Would it also disqualify one from holding office?

No but drinking age should be lowered back to age 18.

BrandoC said:

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Kids who do not pay taxes should have no right to vote. Not only that, kids at this age are primarily immature on how government works and only vote on popularity or how professors in college tell them how to vote. Get out in the world first and see how things operate. I doesn't matter which side of the line you are on.

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Voter suppression isn't a good look. Appeal to those kids or deal with the consequences.

Another opinion:

At the very least, you should be able to use the correct "you're" to be allowed to vote, OP

Why not only land owning white males?

BrandoC said:

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Kids who do not pay taxes should have no right to vote. Not only that, kids at this age are primarily immature on how government works and only vote on popularity or how professors in college tell them how to vote. Get out in the world first and see how things operate. I doesn't matter which side of the line you are on.

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GET ALLLLLL THE WAY THE **** OUTTA HERE.

BrandoC said:

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Kids who do not pay taxes should have no right to vote. Not only that, kids at this age are primarily immature on how government works and only vote on popularity or how professors in college tell them how to vote. Get out in the world first and see how things operate. I doesn't matter which side of the line you are on.

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Seems odd that an A&M graduate would forget that someone 18 years old can fight and die for their country.

I started paying taxes when I was 16. Does that mean I should have been able to vote at 16??

By and large, I agree with the sentiment that 18-25 generally wouldn't be responsible enough, but I do think there are some who are competent enough. As someone who is currently in their late 20's, I believe those who've taken the time to really learn the system, should be allowed.

The flip side of this discussion, is when should voting age be cut off due to mental capability? I don't want to have to be the arbiter of that age because everyone is different.

Then, how do we deal with the absolute mental children who fall somewhere between 26 and 65? (Using 65 as an arbitrary senior number; not age I would cut off)

A civics test gets us and the government out of the business of arbitrating that, while giving the voter the opportunity to display their competency. It's just a shame that southern states had to use this idea to keep minorities from voting, so it isn't an option because SCOTUS.

tysker said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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As long as we're amending the constitution, let's gets real about voter responsibility

Two ways to get a vote:

1) 4 years military service with honorable status
2) 4 years consecutive net tax payer, at least 10% of FPL


Three ways to lose your vote:
1) convicted of a crime (above some defined threshold)
2) declare bankruptcy
3) accept more than $10k of public assistance (lifetime)

We have a huge (and growing) freeloader problem in this country and it will eventually take us down unless we get serious about changing it

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BK = losing right to vote? How many times would Trump have lost his rights? Would it also disqualify one from holding office?

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Perhaps he wouldn't have taken that path if there were more consequences. He played by the rules, I have no problem with that. Just change the rules.

Of course - I'm not one to judge the past by different standards than actually existed at the time. That's dumb. That's what dumb people do.

You can be executed, volunteer to die for your country, Pay taxes, own land....

But you can't vote. Make perfect sense, disenfranchisement of citizens based on ignorant and made up stereotypes....

Your so f'n ignorant, I literally said whatever side of the line you are on.

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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The flip side of this discussion, is when should voting age be cut off due to mental capability? I don't want to have to be the arbiter of that age because everyone is different.

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You live in a country ruled by that demographic, and who have lawyers on standby everytime the SUGGESTION that above a certain age need to retest regularly for their dl because them driving is dangerous...you actually think they'd agree to voting restrictions?

Republican campaign strategy: the 3 Ds.

Deflect
Distract
Disenfranchise

Ag_of_08 said:

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numetalbizkitaggie said:

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The flip side of this discussion, is when should voting age be cut off due to mental capability? I don't want to have to be the arbiter of that age because everyone is different.

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You live in a country ruled by that demographic, and who have lawyers on standby everytime the SUGGESTION that above a certain age need to retest regularly for their dl because them driving is dangerous...you actually think they'd agree to voting restrictions?

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No, of course not, but it's an equitable discussion. Similarly, I don't see age getting raised, because a particular party really wants that voting bloc.

I've been paying taxes since I was 16 years old.

Should I ask the IRS for my money back from those two years?

As an 18 year old, I was better informed and more intelligent than a large majority of 25-110 year olds in this country.