Kitty Kelley article on Biden from 1974

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aggiehawg
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Those old enough to remember Kitty Kelley know she was sometimes a fawning admirer of her subjects or intent on doing a hatchet job. Haven't read the whole thing but Biden kind of comes off like a loon. He also lies a lot.

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Some tidbits:

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Biden says he no longer allows himself the luxury of long-range planning, but he enjoys the prestige of being a Senator and seems committed to finishing his six-year term. In fact, he says he might consider running for President. "My wife always wanted me to be on the Supreme Court," he says. "But while I know I can be a good Senator, and I know I can be a good President, I do know that I could never be another Oliver Wendell Holmes. I know I could have easily made the White House with Neilia. And my family still expects me to be there one of these days. With them behind me anything can happen."
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His Senate suite looks like a shrine. A large photograph of Neilia's tombstone hangs in the inner office; her pictures cover every wall. A framed copy of Milton's sonnet, "On His Deceased Wife," stands next to a print of Byron's "She Walks in Beauty."

In his office in the New Senate Office Building surrounded by more than 35 pictures of his late wife, Biden launched into a three-hour reminiscence. It wasn't maudlinhe seemed to enjoy remembering aloud. He was the handsome football hero. She was the beautiful homecoming queen. Their marriage was perfect. Their children were beautiful. And they almost lived happily ever after.

"Neilia was my very best friend, my greatest ally, my sensuous lover. The longer we lived together the more we enjoyed everything from sex to sports. Most guys don't really know what I lost because they never knew what I had. Our marriage was sensational. It was exceptional, and now that I look around at my friends and my colleagues, I know more than ever how phenomenal it really was. When you lose something like that, you lose a part of yourself that you never get back again.
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Let me show you my favorite picture of her," he says, holding up a snapshot of Neilia in a bikini. "She had the best body of any woman I ever saw. She looks better than a Playboy bunny, doesn't she?

"My beautiful millionaire wife was a conservative Republican before she met me. But she changed her registration. At first she didn't want me to run for the Senatewe had such a beautiful thing going, and we knew all those stories about what politics can do to a marriage. She didn't want that to happen. At first she stayed at home with the kids while I campaigned but that didn't work out because I'd come back too tired to talk to her. I might satisfy her in bed but I didn't have much time for anything else. That's when she started campaigning with me and that's when I started winning. You know, the people of Delaware really elected her," he says, "but they got me."
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Some detractors accuse him of shrouding himself in widower's weeds, of dredging up his late wife in every speech. But Biden prides himself on being candid and honest"That's the only way I could be with the wife I had." He understands the accusations: "I'm not the kind of guy everyone likes. My personality either grabs you or it doesn't. My sister says I almost lost the campaign because ofmy personality, and my brother-in-law says you either love me or you hate me. I'm not an in-between type.
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"I am proud to be a politician. There is no other walk of life which can do more good for mankind than politics. It influences every thing that happens to the American people. You might think I'm off the wall when I say this, but I believe what Plato said 2,000 years ago: 'The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves."

He defines politics as power. "And, whether you like it or not, young lady," he says, leaning over his desk to shake a finger at me, "us cruddy politicians can take away that First Amendrnent of yours if we want to."
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Later he talks about remarriage. "I do indeed want to get married again. I hate the image of the gay, young bachelor about town. That's just not my style. I am not a womanizer. I would like very much to fall in love and be married again because basically I am a family man. I want to find a woman to adore me again.
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Senator Biden's friends say he is looking for more than a wife and mother. "He also needs to find a First Lady," says one, "a woman who enjoys politics and will help him get to the White House. I don't know if he'll end up marrying Francie Barnard but I do know that the woman he marries will he as rich and as pretty as she is."
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The Senator shows a healthy respect for money: "Politics is a damn expensive business. I had one hell of a time trying to raise money as a candidate. I had to put a second mortgage on roy house to get that campaign started, and I ended up spending over $300,000 to get elected. I believe that public financing of federal election campaigns is the only thing that will insure good candidates and save the two-party system. It is the most degrading thing in the world to go out with your hat in your hand and beg for money, but that's what you have to do if you haven't got your own resources.'

He feels the indignity is compounded by the temptation to sell out to big business or big labor for financial help, and says it's almost impossible for a candidate to remain true to his conscience in this situation. He admits that more than once he was tempted to compromise to get campaign money. "I probably would have if it hadn't been for the ramrod character of my Scotch Presbyterian wife," he say's. "I am not a rich man. And my family does not have money. If I sold every thing I own, including my house and cars, I could probably' scratch up S200,000, but that's nothing compared to most of the guys in the Senate."
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Unlike most other senators, Biden makes no bones about saving he is underpaid. Last September, when the Senate was debating a pay raise for itself, he said, "I dont know about the rest of you but I am worth a lot more than my salary of $42,500 a year in this body. It seems to me that we should flat out tell the American people we are worth our salt."
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Biden resents being called the bright young liberal of the New Left. "I hate that picture," he says, "and I don't care how that damn Americans for Democratic Action rates me. Those ADA ratings get us into so much trouble that a lot of us sit around thinking up ways to vote conservative just so we don't come out with a liberal rating.

When it comes to civil rights and civil liberties, I'm a liberal but that's it. I'm really quite conservative on most other issues. My wife said I was the most socially conservative man she had ever known. I'm a screaming liberal when it comes to senior citizens because I really think they are getting screwed. I'm a liberal on health care because I believe it is a birth right of every human beingnot just some damn privilege to be meted out to a few people.

But when it comes to issues like abortion, amnesty, and acid, I'm about as liberal as your grandmother. I don't like the Supreme Court decision on abortion. I think it went too far. I don't think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.
WOW! When you have the time, I strongly urge people to read the rest.

Nuke_Ag05
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Whoa....
Rgr...out.
tsuag10
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I read that late last night.

Biden is one weird dude. It's not hard to see how 40+ years later he has gotten himself involved in all kinds of corrupt business. He was power hungry and arrogant then.

The mother of his children had just died and he was already talking about how it was politically beneficial to him. And already talking about how he needed to find another good woman to marry that would help him become President one day.

Bazaar.
“Progressivism is the b@stard child of Marxism.” — Mark Levin

“Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one—the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts…” — CS Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

aggiehawg
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Nuke_Ag05 said:

Whoa....
I know. The guy is just so inappropriate with all of the sex talk and obsession with money. Denouncing Roe v Wade to boot.

BTW: He didn't play college football, that's a lie.
AggiePetro07
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Who puts a picture of their wife's tombstone on the wall?

WTF?
Earl_Rudder
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Later he talks about remarriage. "I do indeed want to get married again. I hate the image of the gay, young bachelor about town. That's just not my style. I am not a womanizer. I would like very much to fall in love and be married again because basically I am a family man. I want to find a woman to adore me again.

HAHAHAHA. That's rich.

This interview is in 1974? According to Jill Biden's ex-husband he had been having an affair with Jill for at least a year, possibly since 1972.

And he had photos of his wife's tombstone in the office to remember her...

What a disgusting human being. Like father like son!
captkirk
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He's a narcissist, a nut and a creep. Always has been
policywonk98
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No man that has spent 50 years only ever wanting to become president, should ever be the president.

That kind of mindset should scare everyone.

McCain and Kennedy were the exact same way. Birds of a feather.

I think its why so many of these guys resent Trump. He didn't go through the "toil" of these "mediocre" salaries and spend time as just 1 of 535 votes.

Political class elitism through and through.

And this was an interview from nearly 50 years ago.

Everyone needs to beleive me when I say this. Most people enter the beltway with the same mindset. And it just grows and grows every year you are there. Both sides of the aisle. Politician, bureaucrat, special interest operative. It doesn't matter. Its a messed up place.
aggiehawg
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Here's a critique of the Kelley article at NRO.

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Another weird detail is that Biden referred to Neilia as "my beautiful millionaire wife." Biden brings up money repeatedly: Kelley alludes to "the temptation to sell out to big business or big labor for financial help" because Biden admitted "that more than once he was tempted to compromise to get campaign money." Biden added, "I probably would have if it hadn't been for the ramrod character of my Scotch Presbyterian wife."

He had been in office for only eight months before he started complaining about being underpaid. "I don't know about the rest of you but I am worth a lot more than my salary of $42,500 a year in this body. It seems to me that we should flat out tell the American people we are worth our salt," he said on the Senate floor. ($42,500 is about $249,000 in today's dollars. Biden was 31 when he made these remarks.)

Biden's evident belief that he deserves to be wealthy stood out in a 2008 New York Times story that explained how a man living on a public servant's salary was able to live like a Bourbon king: "Biden has been able to dip into his campaign treasury to spend thousands of dollars on home landscaping," the Times explained, and also rich businessmen filtered their support of Biden through other means: "the acquisition of his waterfront property a decade ago involved wealthy businessmen and campaign
supporters, some of them bankers with an interest in legislation before the Senate, who bought his old house for top dollar, sold him four acres at cost and lent him $500,000 to build his new home."

He sold the house he had bought in 1975 for top dollar to get this the vice-chairman of MBNA, who gave Biden $1.2 million for it. MBNA has showed its gratitude to Biden's support in a number of ways: by giving over $200,000 to his various campaigns, by hiring Hunter Biden, by flying Biden and his wife to a retreat in Maine, etc. Mother Jones dubbed Biden "the senator from MBNA."
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-bizarre-and-revealing-biden-interview/
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I don't think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.


It's like he took the worst part of both sides of the abortion argument. For abortion, but against women having the final say in what happens to their own body.

Definitely give this moron more power
aggiehawg
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Also from the NRO piece.

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One of his associates told Kelley of any future wife: "He also needs to find a First Lady, a woman who enjoys politics and will help him get to the White House." His then-girlfriend, a reporter named Francie Bernard, was considered appropriate: "I do know that the woman he marries will he as rich and as pretty as she is," the Biden associate told Kelley. What a strange place to bring up money.

Kelley notes in passing that while riding an elevator with fellow senator Tom Eagleton, "Biden tells him a joke with an antisemitic punchline and asks that it be off the record."
So he was a segregationist and anti-semitic, too.
CanyonAg77
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Wasn't Kelly accused of faking some of her stories?

I'm all for any trash on Biden being dumped in public, but I'm trying to recall if Kelly is a good source.
aggiehawg
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CanyonAg77 said:

Wasn't Kelly accused of faking some of her stories?

I'm all for any trash on Biden being dumped in public, but I'm trying to recall if Kelly is a good source.
Hence my disclaimer. But those are attributed quotes. Can't find any evidence that Biden objected to the article at the time though.

She was obviously quite taken with Biden.
tsuag10
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policywonk98 said:

No man that has spent 50 years only ever wanting to become president, should ever be the president.

That kind of mindset should scare everyone.

McCain and Kennedy were the exact same way. Birds of a feather.

I think its why so many of these guys resent Trump. He didn't go through the "toil" of these "mediocre" salaries and spend time as just 1 of 535 votes.

Political class elitism through and through.

And this was an interview from nearly 50 years ago.

Everyone needs to beleive me when I say this. Most people enter the beltway with the same mindset. And it just grows and grows every year you are there. Both sides of the aisle. Politician, bureaucrat, special interest operative. It doesn't matter. Its a messed up place.
Do you think it would be possible in today's world of YouTube, Rumble, etc. could an independent journalist and filmmaker make a documentary to expose this crap?

Thomas Masse and a couple of other reps were doing a series called "The Swamp" on Facebook, but they stopped after a few episodes.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2957871/replies/52011311


Looks like HBO picked it up.

“Progressivism is the b@stard child of Marxism.” — Mark Levin

“Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one—the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts…” — CS Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

aggiehawg
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From my original link.

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Joe Biden reeks of decency. But he is beginning to realize now how hard it is to be innovative. "My kids are going to talk about me fifteen years from now as being a member of the House of Lords if the Senate keeps on going the way it is today," he says. "There used to be great Senators here who really made a difference, men like Patrick Henry, Daniel Webster, and Henry Clay. But the system is so totally warped now that I doubt if even they could change things. We don't have any of those great men anymore. There are still a few guys you can trust and respect.

But just a few. Guys like Senator Bill Proxmire are great. And Hubert Humphrey is no slouch. He's a fine Senatorarticulate, bright, and knowledgeable. So is Jacob Javits. I don't agree with him on every issue but I respect him because he talks about the issues, And Alan Cranston is a bright guy. He does his homework. He feeds the cannon and lets someone else shoot the load and take the credit. As the kids say, 'He's heavy.' And Senator James Buckley has a certain intellectual consistency I respect. I'm glad he's in the Senate. But I'm dismayed that someone like Carl Curtis is a Senator. Someone like Adlai Stevenson is a good man but he's much more liberal than I am."
Adlai Stevenson?

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"I support a limited amnesty, and I don't think marijuana should be legalized. Now, if you still think I'm a liberal, let me tell you that I support the draft. I'm scared to death of a professional army. I vote my own way and it is not always with the Democrats. I did vote for George McGovern, of course, but I would have voted for Mickey Mouse against Richard Nixon. I despise that man."

Senator Biden doesn't believe issues make much difference in an electionpersonality and presentation are the key. He said as much the night he addressed the Democratic Forum, a small group of Washington liberals who meet with politicians on a regular basis.

"I don't think the issues mean a great deal in terms of whether you win or lose. I think the issues are merely a vehicle to portray your intellectual capacity to the voters . . . a vehicle by which the voters will determine your honesty and candor. The central issue of my campaignand I used all the issues from busing to the war to the economy, crime, and prison reformwas to convince the people that I was intelligent and to convince them that I was honest.
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Senator Biden does not dismiss the subject. "Let's do wait and see," he says. "Come back and talk to me in a few years. By then I'll be old enough to run. Right now, I'm too young. I'm probably the only Senator you can really believe when he says he's not planning on running for President, at least not in 1976."
annie88
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My wife always wanted me to be on the Supreme Court,

Hahahahaha breathe hahahaha
Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
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It's hard for me to criticize the behavior of someone having to live out the recent tragic death of his wife and kid while under the glaring spotlight of DC. I don't know what that is like and I hope I never find out.

Still not voting for him of course, but this isn't fair.
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Wonder if his sexy first wife would've pimped him out with dementia like the second one.
Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
annie88
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What do you mean "not fair"?
Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
aggiehawg
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ScottBowen said:

It's hard for me to criticize the behavior of someone having to live out the recent tragic death of his wife and kid while under the glaring spotlight of DC. I don't know what that is like and I hope I never find out.

Still not voting for him of course, but this isn't fair.
He didn't have to agree to the interview. He didn't have to encourage his family, friends and colleagues to sit for interviews either. He took her all over the Senate building with him, on votes and such.

And he had a rich girlfriend (not Jill) that he was dating and he talked about her a lot, too.

And in 1974, there was seldom a glaring spotlight on a junior senator from a state as small as Delaware. It was precisely because his wife and daughter had died that made him interesting. Then people were calling him the next JFK. And he wasn't shy about it at all.
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policywonk98 said:

No man that has spent 50 years only ever wanting to become president, should ever be the president.

That kind of mindset should scare everyone.

McCain and Kennedy were the exact same way. Birds of a feather.

I think its why so many of these guys resent Trump. He didn't go through the "toil" of these "mediocre" salaries and spend time as just 1 of 535 votes.

Political class elitism through and through.

And this was an interview from nearly 50 years ago.

Everyone needs to beleive me when I say this. Most people enter the beltway with the same mindset. And it just grows and grows every year you are there. Both sides of the aisle. Politician, bureaucrat, special interest operative. It doesn't matter. Its a messed up place.
One thing to keep in mind, these positions account for what 0.0002% of the population.

Lets look at the bottom of income brackets:
  • To be top 10% earn > $158,000
  • To be top 1% earn > $737,000
  • To be top 0.1% earn > $2,800,000

You don't think that people who join that elite political class don't feel entitled to make more than their peers (college classmates etc).
aggiehawg
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Bump for the evening crowd and some light reading before the debate.
GAC06
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Joe is such a creepy *******
agdaddy04
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So on one side we have a candidate that's the same guy he was when being interviewed 30 years ago and another that's changed his views to gain more power.... hmm which one to trust.
aggiehawg
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agdaddy04 said:

So on one side we have a candidate that's the same guy he was when being interviewed 30 years ago and another that's changed his views to gain more power.... hmm which one to trust.
Exactly. Biden claimed to be conservative back when the Dem party actually allowed a more conservative voice.

How Biden escaped that purge, is pretty obvious. Much like Pelosi, he could share the wealth of his donors to others.
Maacus
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policywonk98 said:

No man that has spent 50 years only ever wanting to become president, should ever be the president.

That kind of mindset should scare everyone.

McCain and Kennedy were the exact same way. Birds of a feather.

I think its why so many of these guys resent Trump. He didn't go through the "toil" of these "mediocre" salaries and spend time as just 1 of 535 votes.

Political class elitism through and through.

And this was an interview from nearly 50 years ago.

Everyone needs to beleive me when I say this. Most people enter the beltway with the same mindset. And it just grows and grows every year you are there. Both sides of the aisle. Politician, bureaucrat, special interest operative. It doesn't matter. Its a messed up place.
VERY good point, and many thanks to hawg the OP for posting this topic.
Maacus
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There's a reason that you're one of the top posters on this forum.
LoudestWHOOP!
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Thanks for the fascinating morning read.
There is something off with that guy and it did not start with his recent dementia.
Tom Doniphon
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That's just Joe being Joe / CMs of f16
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"I am proud to be a politician. There is no other walk of life which can do more good for mankind than politics. It influences every thing that happens to the American people. You might think I'm off the wall when I say this, but I believe what Plato said 2,000 years ago: 'The penalty good men pay for not becoming involved in politics is being governed by men worse than themselves."
Earl_Rudder
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Maacus said:

There's a reason that you're one of the top posters on this forum.
Agreed. We are lucky to have Hawg.
aggiehawg
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Thanks for the shout outs folks.

Want to circle back to this, though.

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He defines politics as power. "And, whether you like it or not, young lady," he says, leaning over his desk to shake a finger at me, "us cruddy politicians can take away that First Amendrnent of yours if we want to."
Now we know why he graduated so low in his law school class. Lack of a fundamental understanding of constitutional law. Zero understanding of separation of powers, nor the three equal branches of government, how constitutional amendments are passed nor legislation for that matter. And his wife thought he was Supreme Court material? Pffft.

The only part of that statement that is accurate is that Biden is a "crudddy" human being.
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captkirk said:

He's a narcissist, a nut and a creep. Always has been
Wait, who are we talking about here?
Cromagnum
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Checks many boxes.

- Weirdo
- Compulsive liar
- Power hungry
- Greedy
- Sexist
LoudestWHOOP!
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Frances Roderick Barnard - never mentions Biden in her 2019 Obit[url=https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/elpasotimes/obituary.aspx?n=frances-roderick-barnard&pid=193604786&fhid=7166][/url]

Interesting (Biden article was written in June 1974)
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In Washington, Francie met journalist Bob Woodward, and they married in 1974 and had a daughter, Tali. Around that time, Francie left The Star-Telegram and sued the paper for gender discrimination.
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