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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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I read the thread. You have denounced Omar and violence. I do not recall the "ANTIFA / BLM" modifier to rioters, but you are welcome to quote that one. You have not denounced ANTIFA and BLM as organizations and/or movements in the basis of what some individuals that may or may not be current members do, yet you request that others do the same with Proud Boys and whine like a mule that they haven't.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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The bolded part is correct but not why you think.

Nobody is going denounce it because they don't respect you based on your previous postings. It's also funny to see you continue bleeding on about it. That's your answer regardless if you think it's because posters support the proud boys. It's not true but keep up the good fight and tell your friends!

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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The bolded part is correct but not why you think.

Nobody is going denounce it because they don't respect you based on your previous postings. It's also funny to see you continue bleeding on about it. That's your answer regardless if you think it's because posters support the proud boys. It's not true but keep up the good fight and tell your friends!

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If you refuse to denounce violence, hatred and bigotry because you disagree with the politics of an internet stranger that's truly sad.

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hairloom said:

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That_Guy_Moose said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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The bolded part is correct but not why you think.

Nobody is going denounce it because they don't respect you based on your previous postings. It's also funny to see you continue bleeding on about it. That's your answer regardless if you think it's because posters support the proud boys. It's not true but keep up the good fight and tell your friends!

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If you refuse to denounce violence, hatred and bigotry because you disagree with the politics of an internet stranger that's truly sad.

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you have major control issues as evidenced by these 6 pages

hairloom said:

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That_Guy_Moose said:

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hairloom said:

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That_Guy_Moose said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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The bolded part is correct but not why you think.

Nobody is going denounce it because they don't respect you based on your previous postings. It's also funny to see you continue bleeding on about it. That's your answer regardless if you think it's because posters support the proud boys. It's not true but keep up the good fight and tell your friends!

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If you refuse to denounce violence, hatred and bigotry because you disagree with the politics of an internet stranger that's truly sad.

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you have major control issues as evidenced by these 6 pages

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No. I'm sickened by the defense of a hate organization.

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hairloom said:

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hairloom said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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The bolded part is correct but not why you think.

Nobody is going denounce it because they don't respect you based on your previous postings. It's also funny to see you continue bleeding on about it. That's your answer regardless if you think it's because posters support the proud boys. It's not true but keep up the good fight and tell your friends!

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If you refuse to denounce violence, hatred and bigotry because you disagree with the politics of an internet stranger that's truly sad.

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you have major control issues as evidenced by these 6 pages

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No. I'm sickened by the defense of a hate organization.

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posters just aren't answering your question because the DGAS. Tell your friends!

Because you keep linking far left loons who character assassinate people because they're not Stalinist pinkos.

I have an idea, why don't you take you antifa loving ass and **** off?

You guys ought to expect that from that particular poster. That's what he does.

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It was his worst answer, but also his trickiest. Trump should have just let him dig himself a hole but he wouldn't STFU and cost his chance at a real sound bite.

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I'm seeing this "Trump cost himself a media sound bite" talking point a lot from you dems tonight.

The media was never going to use any pro-Trump soundbites from this debate tonight. They would just be ignored.

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I mean... Trump was awful. What moderate was convinced? He refused to denounce the Proud Boys. Tonight was a sound bite disaster for Trump.

Sure Trump got some Biden stumbles but this was not a good night for Trump's campaign.

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What "moderate" as you call them could possibly be convinced by what Biden did? Why is the burden always on Trump for some of you?

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You guys ought to expect that from that particular poster. That's what he does.

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I agree and have jumped on the insanity train for a bit too. This thread could go on for 100s of pages of moose doesn't get what he wants

I'm ending this on this note. I have denounced BLM and ANTIFA rioters in this thread, and all other forms of leftist violence and damage. I have done so with no hesitation. It is all wrong.

Across 16 articles I have proved clear and conclusive evidence that the Proud Boys stand for hate and bigotry. They march with White Nationalists, the KKK and neo-Nazis. They harass people who report on them. They incite violence in cities across America. Their leadership has expressed Nazi sympathy and explained publicly why he hates Jews. Their membership touts the teachings of David Duke.

They are part of the problem of division in this country. They deserve to have no voice. By defending them, the posters of F16 are complicit in legitimizing and elevating their platform. That should be unacceptable, completely and totally. The farcical defenses (that they're "proud of their heritage," that they are not on the left, and therefore righteous, that their leaders do not speak for them all) I have received are weak and bely a sad truth: posters on this board are unwilling to eschew hatred that they agree with politically, and then deflect to whataboutism about the left. There should be no home for hate. Period.

The denunciation of hatred, of bigotry, of exclusion, of violence by anyone organization is not a test of the right or left dynamic. It is a test of simple human decency, and this thread has been a miserable failure of that test. I have denounced them by name. I implore F16 to please eschew hatred. To realize what the Proud Boys are, and to remove yourself from the hatred displayed by their words and their deeds. Do not make hate acceptable. Stop defending it. Stop giving it life when it deserves none.

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/ilhan-omar-named-anti-semite-of-the-year

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I disavow Omar. I wouldn't vote for her. I do not support her rhetoric on this and she deserves condemnation on it.

Can you do the same for the Proud Boys?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/proud-boys-canadian-military-indigenous-protest-disrupted-1.4189615

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These men who aren't offended by their heritage told the First Nations protesters that they were offended by what the protesters were doing. They are being persecuted for expressing pride in their heritage as the Native Americans were being praised for their intentional disrespect of other's heritage.

Nowhere in the article does it state that the PB military members do anything violent.

Try again.

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I have provided 13 articles now about how the PB's are violent and espouse racial and religious hatred. 13.

Not only that, you fail to see how interrupting a peaceful protests regarding First Nation's maltreatment (rewarding colonists for the genocide and murder of native tribes) by Cornwallis' command is bad? Come on.

The murder of indigenous people is not a heritage to be proud of.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-proud-boys-attempt-to-menace-critic-with-late-night-threat

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The First Nations protesters got what they wanted. They wanted a reaction and they got it.

Canada would not exist without colonists.
Why should all colonists be vilified because there was conflict?
Maybe all Homo sapiens should be vilified because they conquered the Neanderthals?
Perhaps Mongolians need to suffer for the atrocities of Genghis Khan?

Nevertheless, my point was not to endorse what the Halifax PBs did, but to point out that they were not being violent, as you implied.

Cannot you not agree that even white supremacy groups have a right to express their views, even if you do not agree with them? Or is that right only reserved black supremacy groups and violent supporters of socialist/communist ideals?

I have not researched PB as much as many others here. But my impression is that they are a reaction to the left vilifying all American heritage because some bad things happened in the past, overlooking much of the good that had come from American ideals. Do you hate all that the United States represents? Or do you have some pride in your American heritage?
If pride in your American heritage is white supremacy, then PB, as I understand it to be, is a white supremacy hate group. However based upon the evidence that you provided, their object is not to cause violence and riots, as does Antifa and much of BLM.
Are there racists in PB? Probably. Are their racists in BLM? Definitely, they have openly stated that they are racists in their documentation.

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I'm ending this on this note. I have denounced BLM and ANTIFA rioters in this thread, and all other forms of leftist violence and damage. I have done so with no hesitation. It is all wrong.

Across 16 articles I have proved clear and conclusive evidence that the Proud Boys stand for hate and bigotry. They march with White Nationalists, the KKK and neo-Nazis. They harass people who report on them. They incite violence in cities across America. Their leadership has expressed Nazi sympathy and explained publicly why he hates Jews. Their membership touts the teachings of David Duke.

They are part of the problem of division in this country. They deserve to have no voice. By defending them, the posters of F16 are complicit in legitimizing and elevating their platform. That should be unacceptable, completely and totally. The farcical defenses (that they're "proud of their heritage," that they are not on the left, and therefore righteous, that their leaders do not speak for them all) I have received are weak and bely a sad truth: posters on this board are unwilling to eschew hatred that they agree with politically, and then deflect to whataboutism about the left. There should be no home for hate. Period.

The denunciation of hatred, of bigotry, of exclusion, of violence by anyone organization is not a test of the right or left dynamic. It is a test of simple human decency, and this thread has been a miserable failure of that test. I have denounced them by name. I implore F16 to please eschew hatred. To realize what the Proud Boys are, and to remove yourself from the hatred displayed by their words and their deeds. Do not make hate acceptable. Stop defending it. Stop giving it life when it deserves none.

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By this post you admit that you disagree with the First Amendment. Groups about which you disagree should be silenced. Can we do the same with the Democrat Party?

That_Guy_Moose said:

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I'm ending this on this note. I have denounced BLM and ANTIFA rioters in this thread, and all other forms of leftist violence and damage. I have done so with no hesitation. It is all wrong.

Across 16 articles I have proved clear and conclusive evidence that the Proud Boys stand for hate and bigotry. They march with White Nationalists, the KKK and neo-Nazis. They harass people who report on them. They incite violence in cities across America. Their leadership has expressed Nazi sympathy and explained publicly why he hates Jews. Their membership touts the teachings of David Duke.

They are part of the problem of division in this country. They deserve to have no voice. By defending them, the posters of F16 are complicit in legitimizing and elevating their platform. That should be unacceptable, completely and totally. The farcical defenses (that they're "proud of their heritage," that they are not on the left, and therefore righteous, that their leaders do not speak for them all) I have received are weak and bely a sad truth: posters on this board are unwilling to eschew hatred that they agree with politically, and then deflect to whataboutism about the left. There should be no home for hate. Period.

The denunciation of hatred, of bigotry, of exclusion, of violence by anyone organization is not a test of the right or left dynamic. It is a test of simple human decency, and this thread has been a miserable failure of that test. I have denounced them by name. I implore F16 to please eschew hatred. To realize what the Proud Boys are, and to remove yourself from the hatred displayed by their words and their deeds. Do not make hate acceptable. Stop defending it. Stop giving it life when it deserves none.

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You have denounced Omar and violence. I do not recall the "ANTIFA / BLM" modifier to rioters, but you are welcome to quote that one. You have not denounced ANTIFA and BLM as organizations and/or movements in the basis of what some individuals that may or may not be current members do, yet you request that others do the same with Proud Boys and whine like a mule that they haven't.

Your efforts to twist words and play gotcha with people is also part of the problem with division in this country. Your unwillingness to do the same thing you are asking others to do makes you a simply indecent human (your words with minor twisting and tense manipulation).

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It was his worst answer, but also his trickiest. Trump should have just let him dig himself a hole but he wouldn't STFU and cost his chance at a real sound bite.

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I'm seeing this "Trump cost himself a media sound bite" talking point a lot from you dems tonight.

The media was never going to use any pro-Trump soundbites from this debate tonight. They would just be ignored.

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I mean... Trump was awful. What moderate was convinced? He refused to denounce the Proud Boys. Tonight was a sound bite disaster for Trump.

Sure Trump got some Biden stumbles but this was not a good night for Trump's campaign.

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Did Biden denounce antifa and #BLM?

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He has denounced violence over and over again, something this board refuses to do apparently.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5706355002

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Are we denouncing violence or white supremacy?

Show me where Trump has condoned violence?

I am not sure why I am even engaging you - you don't have the intellectual honesty to answer truthfully.

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hairloom said:

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Many have denounced white supremacy. You have disavowed violence, but no organization pushing it from the left. That makes a grand total of one sucker to fall for gotcha games.

You are the one trying to have it both ways.

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What? I have denounced everything from ANTIFA / BLM rioters to Ilhan Omar. Read the thread. I'm not having it both ways.

F16 is refusing to denounce the Proud Boys for what they are, and it's really telling. Why is it so hard to do? Why can this board not eschew the hatred of the Proud Boys?

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The bolded part is correct but not why you think.

Nobody is going denounce it because they don't respect you based on your previous postings. It's also funny to see you continue bleeding on about it. That's your answer regardless if you think it's because posters support the proud boys. It's not true but keep up the good fight and tell your friends!

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If you refuse to denounce violence, hatred and bigotry because you disagree with the politics of an internet stranger that's truly sad.

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We don't have to obey YOU. You keep asking for a specific behavior and no one will do it because your behavior is like a nagging little brother who keeps asking for a piece of candy. Piss off.

1. I categorically denounce antisemitism and white supremacy.

2. I denounce the definition of white nationalism that means something like "America should be white". Some people use a different definition that is more like "a patriot who happens to be white", I do not denounce that.

3. Everything I know about the Proud Boys, I learned today. One side says they are racist, antisemitic, and violent. The other says they are non-violent, not racist, and not antisemitic. Their official platform says that they aren't racist or antisemitic. The fact that they have black and Hispanic members makes the racist charge tough to swallow. They do seem to be at least patronizing toward the Jews. The only quote about Nazism is an explicit rejection. All in all, I see a bunch of emotional partisan rhetoric and an organization that doesn't look appealing to me but that I don't have a clear enough picture of to categorically denounce.

4. Moose is acting from a position that the posters of texags are racist and antisemitic, and that they have to prove to him, by his rules, that they aren't. The tool he is using is an organization that most people don't know much about. For the most part, people are rejecting that sophist tactic. His hysteria and hyperbole are making people dig their heels in.

5. There have been racist and antisemitic posters on texags. A handful, who have been banned many times for being racist and antisemitic. I have downvoted those posts, about the only thing I will downvote. Those goons aren't very good at hiding it for long. I may have spotted 1 or 2 in this thread, but for the most part I see a bunch of normal people who reject the idea of being accused of horrible things unless they play Simon Says with a nut on the internet.

Yep, that's a pretty good summary of 7 pages

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4. Moose is acting from a position that the posters of texags are racist and antisemitic, and that they have to prove to him, by his rules, that they aren't. The tool he is using is an organization that most people don't know much about. For the most part, people are rejecting that sophist tactic. His hysteria and hyperbole are making people dig their heels in.

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Projection. It's what radical, hate filled, racist Democrats do.

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1. I categorically denounce antisemitism and white supremacy.

2. I denounce the definition of white nationalism that means something like "America should be white". Some people use a different definition that is more like "a patriot who happens to be white", I do not denounce that.

3. Everything I know about the Proud Boys, I learned today. One side says they are racist, antisemitic, and violent. The other says they are non-violent, not racist, and not antisemitic. Their official platform says that they aren't racist or antisemitic. The fact that they have black and Hispanic members makes the racist charge tough to swallow. They do seem to be at least patronizing toward the Jews. The only quote about Nazism is an explicit rejection. All in all, I see a bunch of emotional partisan rhetoric and an organization that doesn't look appealing to me but that I don't have a clear enough picture of to categorically denounce.

4. Moose is acting from a position that the posters of texags are racist and antisemitic, and that they have to prove to him, by his rules, that they aren't. The tool he is using is an organization that most people don't know much about. For the most part, people are rejecting that sophist tactic. His hysteria and hyperbole are making people dig their heels in.

5. There have been racist and antisemitic posters on texags. A handful, who have been banned many times for being racist and antisemitic. I have downvoted those posts, about the only thing I will downvote. Those goons aren't very good at hiding it for long. I may have spotted 1 or 2 in this thread, but for the most part I see a bunch of normal people who reject the idea of being accused of horrible things unless they play Simon Says with a nut on the internet.

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/applausegif

There is an extremely large chasim between, burning. looting and killing and speaking your mind about an ethnic group that historically has voted Dem against their own best interest.

Again I want the link to the video itself and the context of it.

This is the US he should be able to share his thoughts and opinions. I may not agree with him but I do agree he has a right to share them and not belabled as a white racist.

My gosh other groups, including some Jewish groups have no problem labeling anyone not them as 'gentile dogs' and actually disowning anyone who dares to marry outside the clan! But of course that is not racist yes?mOr is it only whites or the 'majority' that can be racist as BLM likes to tout. They talk trash about Americans, whites and anyone who does not conform to their ideology. If I do not call myself a racist then I am racist. If I do not give into their demands I am racist. If I disagree with their idioilogy I am hater that needs to be fired! So you no problem with that yes?

Again, as Antifa is directly a communist marxist org that has actively burned, destroyed. looted started fires, will you directly denounce ANTIFA. not as
"leftist acts of violence" but ANTIFA ITSELF and they have DONE ACTS OF VIOLENCE> Proud boys or Kevin not so much.

As I said there are reasons I would not be a Proud Boy, but they are not this terrorist threat that you are making them out to be. However, they are and will be a threat to Antifa and the BLM if they do not stop their violence and looting and intimidation tactics. And that is what this is really all about.

I will not denounce Proud boys as a terrorist group because to do so you have do terrorist acts, not just talk
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1. I categorically denounce antisemitism and white supremacy.

2. I denounce the definition of white nationalism that means something like "America should be white". Some people use a different definition that is more like "a patriot who happens to be white", I do not denounce that.

3. Everything I know about the Proud Boys, I learned today. One side says they are racist, antisemitic, and violent. The other says they are non-violent, not racist, and not antisemitic. Their official platform says that they aren't racist or antisemitic. The fact that they have black and Hispanic members makes the racist charge tough to swallow. They do seem to be at least patronizing toward the Jews. The only quote about Nazism is an explicit rejection. All in all, I see a bunch of emotional partisan rhetoric and an organization that doesn't look appealing to me but that I don't have a clear enough picture of to categorically denounce.

4. Moose is acting from a position that the posters of texags are racist and antisemitic, and that they have to prove to him, by his rules, that they aren't. The tool he is using is an organization that most people don't know much about. For the most part, people are rejecting that sophist tactic. His hysteria and hyperbole are making people dig their heels in.

5. There have been racist and antisemitic posters on texags. A handful, who have been banned many times for being racist and antisemitic. I have downvoted those posts, about the only thing I will downvote. Those goons aren't very good at hiding it for long. I may have spotted 1 or 2 in this thread, but for the most part I see a bunch of normal people who reject the idea of being accused of horrible things unless they play Simon Says with a nut on the internet.

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I wish I could have refrained from my emotional outburst and said this instead. Post of the day.

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Everyone on this thread denounces white supremacists. No one thinks the evidence you have provided that the "Proud Boys" are a white supremacist organization is credible.

HTH

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It is credible. Their leaders have public actions that display as much. I have provided seven sources. I can keep providing them because there is so much documentation on this.

This shouldn't even be a controversial opinion. People are not saying they denounce them for what they are. They are being vociferously defended. That's appalling.

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Stop clinging to your strawman.


Do you, or do you not, denounce the racist hate groups Black Lives Matter and Antifa, that have been causing riots, killing police, and looting businesses?

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Dude. I have done so SIX times in this thread. Six.

But the defense of the Proud Boys continues on.
I am going to keep posting a new articles on this in every single one of my posts until this madness stops.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/nyregion/proud-boys-gavin-mcinnes.html

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To be fair you have not denounced BLM or Antifa. You have denounced violence. So not the groups just the violence. You are asking everyone else to denounce the group not just the violence. So I will ask you do you denounce BLM and Antifa the groups and ideology, not just the violence?

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To be fair you have not denounced BLM or Antifa. You have denounced violence. So not the groups just the violence. You are asking everyone else to denounce the group not just the violence. So I will ask you do you denounce BLM and Antifa the groups and ideology, not just the violence?

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::crickets::

I denounce all violence, except in self defense of one's person, family, and property. (And in sports too I suppose)

Is this now the part where I get to make stuff up and demonize everyone else on the board?

dang, I gave up on that troll within the first 2 hours. My hat is off to y'all who can keep the dude busy for 36 hours. The streets are safer because y'all have kept him occupied for so long.

I salute you!

I have noticed moose contradict himself 27 times in this thread. 27
I have not seen him denounce the democrat party in full. He must do that or someone like him might drag him on and on with 6 or 7 pages of repeating their comments again and again and again.....31 times. 31
I haven't seen one comment by moose with an ounce of intellectual honesty in this thread, not one. 1

I would expect to see moose's picture in the dictionary next to waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhreeeeeeeeeeee if it was a word.

His behaviour and attitude lead me to believe he will not be able to contain himself to not reply to at least one comment made since he said he was done with this thread. He is a loser either way.

Does The Guy Moose work for CNN?