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You only know how many cases because it's been confirmed. Widespread testing on this level didn't happen, thus there's no way of knowing how many asymptomatic people there were with it. Once again, without knowing the true denominator, you can't be positive it is.

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Agreed. The denominator is likely much bigger. But swine flu's denominator was 10% of the human race and 1/50 of the current COVID death toll. They are very different.

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Huh? Confirmed or estimated by the experts that have shown us how much of an expert they are?

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Hey you don't have to believe any study. Health organizations did 2 years of studies on swine flu after the outbreak and estimated that 11-21% of the human race contracted the virus (majority asymptomatic). That would put the estimated cases at 700M - 1.4B.

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aTm2004 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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You only know how many cases because it's been confirmed. Widespread testing on this level didn't happen, thus there's no way of knowing how many asymptomatic people there were with it. Once again, without knowing the true denominator, you can't be positive it is.

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Agreed. The denominator is likely much bigger. But swine flu's denominator was 10% of the human race and 1/50 of the current COVID death toll. They are very different.

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Huh? Confirmed or estimated by the experts that have shown us how much of an expert they are?

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Hey you don't have to believe any study. Health organizations did 2 years of studies on swine flu after the outbreak and estimated that 11-21% of the human race contracted the virus (majority asymptomatic). That would put the estimated cases at 700M - 1.4B.

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It will end up the same for COVID, and a lot of people would look foolish, but the MSM will sweep it all under the rug.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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You only know how many cases because it's been confirmed. Widespread testing on this level didn't happen, thus there's no way of knowing how many asymptomatic people there were with it. Once again, without knowing the true denominator, you can't be positive it is.

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Agreed. The denominator is likely much bigger. But swine flu's denominator was 10% of the human race and 1/50 of the current COVID death toll. They are very different.

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Huh? Confirmed or estimated by the experts that have shown us how much of an expert they are?

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Hey you don't have to believe any study. Health organizations did 2 years of studies on swine flu after the outbreak and estimated that 11-21% of the human race contracted the virus (majority asymptomatic). That would put the estimated cases at 700M - 1.4B.

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So, you should be able to link one, right?

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The disease then spread across the country's population and by the end of May had infected citizens in all 50 states. The pattern continued through June of the same year. The total number of confirmed cases varied from 27,717 (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed and probable cases) and 25,453 (total of all state confirmed cases) as of June 26, 2009.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States#cite_note-CDC-Confirmed-121][121][/url]

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CDC info from the Wiki citation

Funny thing found while browsing the above CDC link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090910140807/http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm

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Information on the effectiveness of facemasks and respirators for decreasing the risk of influenza infection in community settings is extremely limited. Thus, it is difficult to assess their potential effectiveness in decreasing the risk of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus transmission in these settings. In the absence of clear scientific data, the interim recommendations below have been developed on the basis of public health judgment, the historical use of facemasks and respirators in other settings for preventing transmission of influenza and other respiratory viruses, and on current information on the spread and severity of the novel influenza A (H1N1) virus.

In areas with confirmed human cases of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, the risk for infection can be reduced through a combination of actions. No single action will provide complete protection, but an approach combining the following steps can help decrease the likelihood of transmission. These recommended actions are:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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No ****, like that number is a true one. Actual is probably around 12-15K.

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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"It is purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history," Ron Klain, who was Biden's chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. "It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that."

That's what Biden's own chief of staff, his right hand man, said about the way they handled H1N1. He bluntly stated that they were clueless but simply got lucky with the particular disease. "We handled H1N1 well" is the new "I graduated in the top half of my law school class." A demonstrably false lie that falls apart under any fact checking whatsoever.

Look, Trump is a flawed candidate, but you can criticize him honestly without pretending Biden isn't what we all know he is: a 40 year politician with a list of "accomplishments" that would need embellishment to fill out a one page resume.

With Justice Ginsberg's abrupt passing, if they go into the replacement process, the whole virus topic will probably go away. Thats good for the pressure it will remove on the economy --- everyone will be too distracted to fool with all the fussiness ---- everyone's hair is going to be on fire about the SCOTUS.

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.

The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.

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Citations, please.

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Are you always this disconnected from reality?

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I think that the claim is a bunch of bull**** but am giving plenty of opportunity to show me facts that say that I am wrong about that.

Having one or more comorbidities may increase the chance that you will die from covid-19, but that does not mean that those comorbidities played any role in your death.

If you 70 years old and enter the ICU with covid-19 and die from it, your death is most likely from covid-19, not because you are 70 years old. I can't imagine any circumstances under which being 70 years old would be a cause of death.

So lets see those citations.

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I linked thdm abve. Its on the CDC website ans even NBC commented on it.

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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Do you always have problems with reality?

The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.

The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.

I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?

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Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.

I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.

The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.

Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?

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SARS? The "pandemic" with 27 confirmed US cases over a 1 year period? That is your comparison?

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Can you find me another virus/disease/outbreak in recent history where we've tested as much as we have for COVID? I'm not as old as some on here, but I don't recall ever having city mayors and county judges on TV actively begging for people to get tested nor sending testers block walking.

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For the record, I think the virus has been overblown by the 24 hour news cycle. But it is unique to past virus scares.

It is more contagious than a lot of viruses and is frankly everywhere at this point. Much more deadly than something like swine flu, especially to certain age groups. People are contagious long before they display symptoms.

Comparing COVID to SARS or swine flu is frankly silly.

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My mistake, H1N1 was where 12,000 died.

I still find it amazing there are idiots on here still arguing that Covid is some sort of deadly virus.