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Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Yep and the other facts will be brought up:
1. He is 17, open carrying a gun in WI that is only legal for those over 18.
2. In his home state it is illegal for him to own a rifle. (Where did he get it? Did the person he obtained it from know he was going to open carry it illegally? Did he violate federal law crossing state lines?))


Sure we all want law and order, but would you leave Texas to defend property you don't own?
Why did he run individually away from his group fully exposed to the ANTIFA types?

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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Are you dense? He shot the first guy because that guy was chasing him and threatening him.

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Is that on video? All I saw was them arguing. I haven't watched all of these videos because I don't particularly like watching people get shot, even if they are POS's

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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He shot his attacker in the head and called cops, and seemed like he was going to try to render aid before more violent Marxists tried to run him down and hurt or kill him for defending himself. Quit lying.

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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You clearly aren't informed about the incident. Take a few minutes to watch the videos and then come back once you actually know what you're talking about.

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Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Yep and the other facts will be brought up:
1. He is 17, open carrying a gun in WI that is only legal for those over 18.
2. In his home state it is illegal for him to own a rifle. (Where did he get it? Did the person he obtained it from know he was going to open carry it illegally? Did he violate federal law crossing state lines?))


Sure we all want law and order, but would you leave Texas to defend property you don't own?
Why did he run individually away from his group fully exposed to the ANTIFA types?

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So he may get convicted of some lesser charges related to carrying.

Don't think anyone knows how/why he got separated/isolated to the point where the mob started chasing him. He was apparently/reportedly offereing medical assistance to people earlier in the evening.

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Agreed but the kid had no business being there.

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I can't agree with you enough.

Why was he there? Why did he have the weapon?

Kid is 17 and had his whole life ahead of him. All he had to do was think.

So many poor decisions on display.

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Because apparently full grown adults don't have the balls to protect American towns from being completely destroyed. I hope the local residents are embarrassed, but have learned from this. Gunshots are the only effective riot response.

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Why aren't you out there protecting American then, tough guy?

Because you know flying to Wisconsin or Portland With a rifle would be incredibly stupid. That's why.

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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Are you dense? He shot the first guy because that guy was chasing him and threatening him.

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Is that on video? All I saw was them arguing. I haven't watched all of these videos because I don't particularly like watching people get shot, even if they are POS's

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Well then maybe just withhold from blindly commenting on things you know zero about?

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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Are you dense? He shot the first guy because that guy was chasing him and threatening him.

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Is that on video? All I saw was them arguing. I haven't watched all of these videos because I don't particularly like watching people get shot, even if they are POS's

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Yes it is on video and in photos. If you want to make claims or engage in discussion, don't be too lazy to get the readily available information.

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He was running away and the first guy he killed threw a malatov cocktail at him right before he shot the guy. So yeah his life was in immediate danger from that guy

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It was a plastic bag with small items in it.

Please don't repeat the "it was a Molotov cocktail" line. It's verifiably false.

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How do you know? Were you there?

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Because there's video evidence of the short, bald, red-shirt guy carrying it at the gas station, and video from the lot adjacent to the Car Source (not the video angle from the street) that shows the bag laying there on the asphalt.

I'll get links, but the idea that it was a Molotov cocktail was disproven over 24 hours ago.

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Whatever it was it was burning. Why would red shirt guy light it on fire and throw it? There must have been something flammable in the bag that didn't ignite.

Anyway, I think too much is being made of the Molotov cocktail thing. It looks like what caused Kyle to shoot was that he got cornered in the jumble of cars and/or he saw other pursuers coming at him from the other side. Red shirt guy got too close to him and his request to get shot was granted.

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Most importantly, you're right; any discussion of the Molotov cocktail is irrelevant because it's verifiably false and thus why I recommend not bringing it up to begin with.

But for whatever reason I feel compelled to tell you that you're absolutely and undeniably wrong about it burning. There is no evidence to back that up. What I assume you're referring to is the bag flapping after being throw and being illuminated from behind by security lamps.

I'm really exercising my restraint to not make this personal, but you're saying so much that isn't true that it's very difficult for me to ascribe genuine goodwill and earnestness to your ignorance.

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Throwing anything at another person is assault, so its not irrelevant to Kyle's case that red shirt guy was pursuing him with intent to harm him. So why would you call it irrelevant, oh earnest one?

You are right that in a previous video it looked to be burning. If it wasn't that's my mistake. I've heard it described by many others as burning, thus why it's been called a "Molotov cocktail". Thanks for your restraint and your diligent monitoring of this thread. I pray, oh anointed one, please point out any other instances of my ignorance so that I may atone for it.

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I can't agree with you enough.

Why was he there? Why did he have the weapon?

Kid is 17 and had his whole life ahead of him. All he had to do was think.

So many poor decisions on display.

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Because apparently full grown adults don't have the balls to protect American towns from being completely destroyed. I hope the local residents are embarrassed, but have learned from this. Gunshots are the only effective riot response.

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Why aren't you out there protecting American then, tough guy?

Because you know flying to Wisconsin or Portland With a rifle would be incredibly stupid. That's why.

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If this starts happening in towns near Houston I like to think me and many people like me will be there ready to help protect nearby communities and people if the cops are going to be ordered to stand down and these places won't take national guard help.

But Texas seems to have their sh** together way more than Wisconsin.

I thought it was in the crappy cell phone video when it got lighter when it hit the ground. Either way a bag with a brick or cocktail or both considered deadly weapons by several court cases

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I can't agree with you enough.

Why was he there? Why did he have the weapon?

Kid is 17 and had his whole life ahead of him. All he had to do was think.

So many poor decisions on display.

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Libs, always critiquing the minor in a situation like this and NEVER the adults that are threatening and attacking the minor. Just like with Sandman and the drum beating old dude that got in his face. It's always the responsibility of the teenager to be the grown up, never the deranged leftist assaulting him.

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I thought it was in the crappy cell phone video when it got lighter when it hit the ground. Either way a bag with a brick or cocktail or both considered deadly weapons by several court cases

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Look at the way the bag flies after it's thrown. There's nothing heavy in there, especially not a brick.

Theres a witness that said red shirt guy tried to grab kyle's gun. We don't need to invent other circumstances to make this seem justified.

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Kids had great reason to fear for his life preceding every single shot. - this should be a very straight forward acquittal, but in 2020 you never know

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Agreed but the kid had no business being there.

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No one had any business being there.

Rioting is violence. I am surprised we haven't seen more of these incidents, honestly.

If you want to peacefully protest, get a permit, do it during the day, and obey the law.

The liberals (communists/socialists) here will either suggest or declare that Kyle should be locked up and will try to find any excuse to side with the marxists (blm) and terrorists (antifa).

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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You should really watch the first video before making such an asinine comment. The mob should have recognized that the kid had already shot one guy and was still carrying his weapon. Did they not think he would pull the trigger again?

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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Are you dense? He shot the first guy because that guy was chasing him and threatening him.

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Is that on video? All I saw was them arguing. I haven't watched all of these videos because I don't particularly like watching people get shot, even if they are POS's

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If you are not informed on the topic, you may want to sit this one out. And this has nothing to do with "love of guns."

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I haven't fact checked this, but even prior to seeing this, I was 100% in agreement that he had no reason to be there.

17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse-Lewis' mom Wendy drove him and his AR-15 rifle from Antioch, IL to Kenosha WI to "defend" businesses that he does not own from riots.
He ended up shooting 3 people, 2 died and 1 lost his arm.
His prior criminal history,
In 2018, he has a charge for disobeying officers.
2016
Case Number: 2016CM000410
Case Type: MISDEMEANOR
Classification: MISDEMEANOR CLASS A
Counts: 1
Crime Type: MISDEMEANOR
Degree Of Offense: MISD. A
Crime County: ROCK
Offense Code: 941.20(1)(B)
Offense Date: 01/29/2016
Offense Description: OPERATE FIREARM WHILE INTOXICATED
Charges Filed Date: 03/01/2016
County: ROCK
Plea: NOT GUILTY
Disposition: CHARGE DISMISSED BUT READ IN
Disposition Date: 10/04/2016
Status: CLOSED
DISORDERLY CONDUCT
2016
Case Number: 2016CM000410
Case Type: MISDEMEANOR
Classification: MISDEMEANOR CLASS B
Counts: 1
Crime Type: MISDEMEANOR
Degree Of Offense: MISD. B
Crime County: ROCK
Offense Code: 947.01(1)
Offense Date: 01/29/2016
Offense Description: DISORDERLY CONDUCT
Charges Filed Date: 03/01/2016
County: ROCK
Plea: NO CONTEST
Disposition: GUILTY DUE TO NO CONTEST PLEA
Disposition Date: 10/04/2016
Status: CLOSED
POSSESSION OF THC
2016
Case Number: 2016CM000410
Case Type: MISDEMEANOR
Classification: MISDEMEANOR
Counts: 1
Crime Type: MISDEMEANOR
Degree Of Offense: MISD. U
Crime County: ROCK
Offense Code: 961.41(3G)(E)
Offense Date: 01/29/2016
Offense Description: POSSESSION OF THC
Charges Filed Date: 03/01/2016
County: ROCK
Plea: NOT GUILTY
Disposition: CHARGE DISMISSED BUT READ IN
Disposition Date: 10/04/2016
Status: CLOSED
POSSESS DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
2016
Case Number: 2016CM000410
Case Type: MISDEMEANOR
Classification: MISDEMEANOR
Counts: 1
Crime Type: MISDEMEANOR
Degree Of Offense: MISD. U
Crime County: ROCK
Offense Code: 961.573(1)
Offense Date: 01/29/2016
Offense Description: POSSESS DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
Charges Filed Date: 03/01/2016
County: ROCK
Plea: NOT GUILTY
Disposition: CHARGE DISMISSED BUT READ IN
Disposition Date: 10/04/2016
Status: CLOSED
FAILURE TO OBEY TRAFFIC OFFICE...
2018
Case Number: 2018TR011432
Classification: FORFEITURE U
Counts: 1
Offense Code: 346.04(2)
Offense Date: 08/09/2018
Offense Description: FAILURE TO OBEY TRAFFIC OFFICER/SIGNAL
Charges Filed Date: 08/13/2018
Plea: NO CONTEST
Disposition: GUILTY DUE TO NO CONTEST PLEA
Disposition Date: 09/18/20

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That isn't the kid's rap sheet. Jeesh.

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Just like with Sandman and the drum beating old dude that got in his face. It's always the responsibility of the teenager to be the grown up, never the deranged leftist assaulting him.

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Sandman was not in criminal courts, it was a civil case.

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pistol shots heard first.

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Pistol guy tried to fake surrender with his hands up and then pulling his pistol. Fail.

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This isn't accurate. Pistol guy had it in his hand when he put his hands up, then proceed to attack when he had an opening, which ended up getting him shot in the arm.

Sorry to correct, but I keep seeing this inaccurately referenced.

I don't really get why people are focusing on it being another state. It was 30 miles away - shorter than my commute to work. Yeah, legally it matters, but for day-to-day stuff you'd never really notice it unless, say, one state allowed gambling (looking at you LA and OK).

Or his mom gets charged for giving him her gun when it was illegal for him to open carry it.

Then there is the law of parties.
There maybe enhanced provisions for committing a gun crime while illegally open carrying.

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I thought it was in the crappy cell phone video when it got lighter when it hit the ground. Either way a bag with a brick or cocktail or both considered deadly weapons by several court cases

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Look at the way the bag flies after it's thrown. There's nothing heavy in there, especially not a brick.

Theres a witness that said red shirt guy tried to grab kyle's gun. We don't need to invent other circumstances to make this seem justified.

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We don't know what was in the bag and neither did Kyle and it doesn't matter. Red shirt guy throwing something at Kyle is assault. It's another adder to the already ample evidence that red shirt guy was pursuing Kyle with the objective of causing him bodily harm.

A clearer video of the first shooting can be found in this article:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/graphic-additional-footage-of-kenosha-shooting-surfaces-online

You may have to click to view since is includes "potentially sensitive content".


Joe Rosenbaum is clearly the aggressor chasing Kyle and throwing something at him.

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Kyle Rittenhouse was an aspiring policeman. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. However, I think we all know, the thought processes of a 17-year old aren't always the best. I've looked for it, but can't seem to find a good reason that he packed up his gun and decided to sling it in a counter-protest over 30 miles from his home.

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Probably not the smartest decision. Likewise, participating in rioting/looting is not a smart decision.

Still doesn't change the facts that we clearly can see in video and photo, that he was defending himself from the mob.

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Defending himself from a mob that was chasing him because he already shot somebody else in the head and fled. Y'all are going this kid way too much benefit of the doubt just because of your love for guns.

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You should really watch the first video before making such an asinine comment. The mob should have recognized that the kid had already shot one guy and was still carrying his weapon. Did they not think he would pull the trigger again?

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I watched the video that has extremely biased captions and is hard to tell if he is in serious danger.

Yeah that video was pretty terrible other than consolidating the videos. The commentary and the ending were biased and cringey.

And whatever he threw fell to the ground like a damp rag.

PeePaw was 15yo fighting in WW1 ACROSS STATE LINE...oh my.

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A clearer video of the first shooting can be found in this article:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/graphic-additional-footage-of-kenosha-shooting-surfaces-online

You may have to click to view since is includes "potentially sensitive content".


Joe Rosenbaum is clearly the aggressor chasing Kyle and throwing something at him.

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Looks like Short n' Angry with the red shirt basically caught the guy which resulted in self defense IMO.

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Why does it have to be one or the other? This whole post is about this kid. Would you send your 17 year old out there by themself?

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I thought it was in the crappy cell phone video when it got lighter when it hit the ground. Either way a bag with a brick or cocktail or both considered deadly weapons by several court cases

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Look at the way the bag flies after it's thrown. There's nothing heavy in there, especially not a brick.

Theres a witness that said red shirt guy tried to grab kyle's gun. We don't need to invent other circumstances to make this seem justified.

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Seeing the last video that was posted you could see that, the original video sucked and it wasn't clear. Either way it is a justified shoot