Not sure if this is the correct spot for this , but has anyone seen the new documentary on prime called the last narc? It's about the Kiki Camarena kidnapping and killing. Holy **** this thing is crazy. It's very detailed with interviews from supposed right hand men of caro quintero and ernesto fonseca. Also accuses the CIA being heavily involved. Great one to watch if you liked the narco stuff on Netflix.

Thanks for the heads up. I love Narcos Mexico. Definitely in.

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Thanks for the heads up. I love Narcos Mexico. Definitely in.

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This thing is mind blowing man. Assuming it's true.

Somebody on TexAgs started a thread about CIA's involvement in this a long time ago, and I asked for links providing evidence of this claim. It looked like a bunch of Q-anon nonsense. Does this show provide any real evidence?

Finished it yesterday.
Really good watch.

The dea agent whose name they won't reveal at the end, who took money and has had his name turned over to be investigated......is it that James Kykundall (sp) *****?

He helped with the narcos series.

OP username checks out bigly!

aTmAg said:

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Somebody on TexAgs started a thread about CIA's involvement in this a long time ago, and I asked for links providing evidence of this claim. It looked like a bunch of Q-anon nonsense. Does this show provide any real evidence?

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Testimony from agents and other body guards for the narco bosses. It actually makes a lot of sense. It's a good watch.

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Finished it yesterday.
Really good watch.

The dea agent whose name they won't reveal at the end, who took money and has had his name turned over to be investigated......is it that James Kykundall (sp) *****?

He helped with the narcos series.

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Is he the same supervisor that ended up testifying in favor of arce? I have a feeling that's the guy they are referring to. In the transcripts from the tapes, Rafa questioned camarena why he kept investigating him after he sent them pay off money. Camarena was confused and had no idea what he was talking about and said he never took any money. Looks like someone , or some people at that field office did get that money.

It's a very good watch with first hand testimony.

No one seriously fails to understand that hw and Clinton were huge drug running buddies do they? I mean everyone ****ing knows that.

Or did you think Iran contra was just a weird one off 'scandal'?

If so you probably think fast and furious was just a weird mixup and minor scandal too.

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It's a very good watch with first hand testimony.

No one seriously fails to understand that hw and Clinton were huge drug running buddies do they? I mean everyone ****ing knows that.

Or did you think Iran contra was just a weird one off 'scandal'?

If so you probably think fast and furious was just a weird mixup and minor scandal too.

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I think the deep state is real. Or at least a group of older politicians that are knee deep into ***** Anyone that got in their way was dealt with one way or another.

Wasn't GW the head of cia during this time? It looks like he wanted his war in Nicaragua
but was denied his funding. That's where the drug trafficking came in.

aTmAg said:

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Somebody on TexAgs started a thread about CIA's involvement in this a long time ago, and I asked for links providing evidence of this claim. It looked like a bunch of Q-anon nonsense. Does this show provide any real evidence?

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i didnt start the thread, but i remember giving you the name of 2 books that suggest the CIAs involvement, along . but with your preponderance of evidence, it seems unlikely youd be convinced of anything short of the CIA admitting to it.

I totally get how people mistrust the CIA but I have a hard time believing the conspiracy theories that elements of the CIA specifically ordered the kidnapping and torture of a US DEA agent. I can believe they were involved in the drug business to finance weapons to fight Commies and that they may have heard rumors that Camarena was in jeopardy and failed to warn him but I dont buy that the CIA ordered the torture and murder.

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I totally get how people mistrust the CIA but I have a hard time believing the conspiracy theories that elements of the CIA specifically ordered the kidnapping and torture of a US DEA agent. I can believe they were involved in the drug business to finance weapons to fight Commies and that they may have heard rumors that Camarena was in jeopardy and failed to warn him but I dont buy that the CIA ordered the torture and murder.

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Why do you think IF the CIA is involved with drug running that they would act in a morally or ethically right way because the guy is a US citizen? What would be the reason for their boundaries?

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Wasn't GW the head of cia during this time? It looks like he wanted his war in Nicaragua
but was denied his funding. That's where the drug trafficking came in.

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It was Casey, but bush 41s hands were as dirty as they come. In a long line of corrupt mexican presidents, carlos salinas de gortari was probly the worst, and he and bush were thick as thieves.

Because they are smart enough to know that killing a Federal Agent would illicit a strong reaction from the US Government and impede operations elsewhere.

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Because they are smart enough to know that killing a Federal Agent would illicit a strong reaction from the US Government and impede operations elsewhere.

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This. The CIA operatives are Americans and while the ends justify the means when killing Commies I believe that stops at the kidnapping, torture, and murder of a US agent.

For folks who don't believe the CIA is capable of this, reporter Gary Webb published a series of articles in the San Jose Mercury News in which he claimed links between the CIA and Latin American drug producers. Webb was found dead with 2 x .38 caliber bullets in his head in his apartment in 2004 and the death was ruled a suicide.
https://theintercept.com/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-media-destruction-gary-webb/

Additionally, one might google "Nugan Hand Bank" for information on money laundering.

And finally, this from 1993:

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Recent news item: The Justice Department is investigating allegations that officers of a special Venezuelan anti-drug unit funded by the CIA smuggled more than 2,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States with the knowledge of CIA officials - despite protests by the Drug Enforcement Administration, the organization responsible for enforcing U.S. drug laws.

That is a huge amount of cocaine. But it was hardly a first for the CIA. The agency has never been above using individuals or organizations with known links to drug trafficking if it thought they could help it further its national security mission.

Let us put the Venezuelan case in context: To protect its "assets" abroad, the CIA has ensured that the DEA's concerns outside the country were subordinated to its own. Until recently, no DEA country attach overseas was allowed to initiate an investigation into a suspected drug trafficker or attempt to recruit an informant without clearance from the local CIA station chief. DEA country attachs are required to employ the standard State Department cipher, and all their transmissions are made available to the CIA station chief. The CIA also has access to all DEA investigative reports, and informants' and targets' identities when DEA activities outside the United States were involved.

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The CIA Drug Connection Is As Old As the Agency

Just finished it. Absolutely chilling. I have no doubt the CIA and DEA were involved in this.
Most people can't understand the kind of money the cartels are dealing with. I'm absolutely sure the DEA agents were corrupted and Kiki refused to take the bribe.


Also, Godoy is a hell of a character. That guy was straight out of central casting.

Give this a watch if you're on the fence.

Have not gotten to the CIA part yet, but great show. Interesting to see the 3 ex-cops/ bodyguards had hearts about the needless killing and torture of the missionaries/tourists. Very believable.

Just started but can anyone tell me why the Mexican cop Jorge is wearing a USAF Staff Sgt uniform? Or does that get answered within the show?

It's never addressed. But the guy literally sees ghosts of all the dead people he's killed. He is someone who I would never want to be alone with in a room.

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Just started but can anyone tell me why the Mexican cop Jorge is wearing a USAF Staff Sgt uniform? Or does that get answered within the show?

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That guy seemed a little crazy. The uniform seemed more like a costume.

I started last night and it's great. You should probably have this moved to the Entertainment thread, though.