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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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Aid wasn't withheld ONLY for a Biden investigation, it also included the investigation into 2016 russian disinformation, general issues on corruption reform, and increasing support from other NATO countries.

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I'm glad to see you admit aid was held for a Biden investigation.

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Would it be ok if Biden wasn't a political opponent?

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In my personal view, I think so. In that scenario there would be no personal benefit to President Trump. And there wouldn't be any foreign interference in our election.

I also wouldn't have any issues with the FBI & DOJ investigating Joe Biden and his family.

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By that logic, people that have committed crimes should run for office so they can't be investigated. When did Biden officially announce he was running? After the Ukraine call?

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Reread my post.

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If it is a proper investigation, its a proper investigation. Personal benefit doesn't matter.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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Aid wasn't withheld ONLY for a Biden investigation, it also included the investigation into 2016 russian disinformation, general issues on corruption reform, and increasing support from other NATO countries.

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I'm glad to see you admit aid was held for a Biden investigation.

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My stance has been the same for 4 months.

Donald Trump rightfully used his legal powers as president to pressure on Ukraine to pursue his own foreign policy. Quid pro quo isn't a crime. All of those issues are in the interest of the United States to the people who elected Donald Trump. He did not receive "something of value" which has a legal definition in bribery statutes.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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I just hope you understand that slippery (subjective) slope you're advocating for.

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In my view, the opposite is even more slippery. Think about this:

If President Trump is acquitted every future Democrat President can use the power of their office by withholding foreign aid to solicit foreign governments to open investigations into Republican politicians to intentionally hurt their elections all under the guise of foreign policy and national security.

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Like they don't already do that

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The last Democrat one just did, basically.

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If this is true, then it should have been investigated and prosecuted. Republicans controlled the Presidency, Senate, and House when Trump was elected. Why didn't they?

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If true? Are you familiar with Crossfire Hurricane and the FISA abuse? The FISA abuse and Crossfire Hurricane gave us Mueller. It was impossible to investigate the origin of the Mueller investigation while it was ongoing.

Jimmy Valentine said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Bird93 said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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Aid wasn't withheld ONLY for a Biden investigation, it also included the investigation into 2016 russian disinformation, general issues on corruption reform, and increasing support from other NATO countries.

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I'm glad to see you admit aid was held for a Biden investigation.

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But you have no proof it was held for a Biden investigation. The timeline of the restart of Ukrainian investigations does not match what you claim in relation to aid. The reopening happened around Feb 19, long before the call.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Haven forbid the left go ballistic! Whatever would we do?

Announcement not necessary. Have grand jury look into it. (Maybe they already are)

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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titan said:

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n_touch said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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I just hope you understand that slippery (subjective) slope you're advocating for.

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In my view, the opposite is even more slippery. Think about this:

If President Trump is acquitted every future Democrat President can use the power of their office by withholding foreign aid to solicit foreign governments to open investigations into Republican politicians to intentionally hurt their elections all under the guise of foreign policy and national security.

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Like they don't already do that

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The last Democrat one just did, basically.

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If this is true, then it should have been investigated and prosecuted. Republicans controlled the Presidency, Senate, and House when Trump was elected. Why didn't they?

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If true? Are you familiar with Crossfire Hurricane and the FISA abuse? The FISA abuse and Crossfire Hurricane gave us Mueller. It was impossible to investigate the origin of the Mueller investigation while it was ongoing.

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That's all being investigated by Huber, right? Great!

So you're ok with the previous administration being held accountable, but you're not ok with this administration being held accountable for getting another foreign country involved in our elections?

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Bird93 said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Haven forbid the left go ballistic! Whatever would we do?

Announcement not necessary. Have grand jury look into it. (Maybe they already are)

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White House Counsel was asked by a Senator yesterday if it was being investigated, and they said No.

Jimmy Valentine said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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titan said:

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n_touch said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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I just hope you understand that slippery (subjective) slope you're advocating for.

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In my view, the opposite is even more slippery. Think about this:

If President Trump is acquitted every future Democrat President can use the power of their office by withholding foreign aid to solicit foreign governments to open investigations into Republican politicians to intentionally hurt their elections all under the guise of foreign policy and national security.

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Like they don't already do that

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The last Democrat one just did, basically.

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If this is true, then it should have been investigated and prosecuted. Republicans controlled the Presidency, Senate, and House when Trump was elected. Why didn't they?

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If true? Are you familiar with Crossfire Hurricane and the FISA abuse? The FISA abuse and Crossfire Hurricane gave us Mueller. It was impossible to investigate the origin of the Mueller investigation while it was ongoing.

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That's all being investigated by Huber, right? Great!

So you're ok with the previous administration being held accountable, but you're not ok with this administration being held accountable for getting another foreign country involved in our elections?

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The foreign involvement isn't the issue, its the illegal activity perpetrated by members of the FBI. Its the illegal activity perpetrated by Russia thats an issue.

Additionally, if another country knows facts about a candidate, or wants to voice their opinions on a candidate, that is information that should be filtered through the voter. I want to know if Russia is thinks of a candidate. I want to know what the UK thinks.

You also ignore the jurisdiction facts. A potential crime committed in Ukraine, can and would be a legal investigation by Ukraine.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Any Administration that sits on a case because they are afraid of the politics is corrupt isn't it?

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Jesus, now Trump is corrupt if he doesn't investigate Biden. Newsflash, the President made an effort, its why libs are butthurt.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Bird93 said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Haven forbid the left go ballistic! Whatever would we do?

Announcement not necessary. Have grand jury look into it. (Maybe they already are)

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White House Counsel was asked by a Senator yesterday if it was being investigated, and they said No.

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Since the DOJ investigations into both 2016 candidates were terrible for the reputation of the FBI and DOJ. I'm shocked they maybe tried a different process to screen investigations.

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Any Administration that sits on a case because they are afraid of the politics is corrupt isn't it?

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See, he's corrupt if he does, and he's corrupt if he doesn't.

Correction for both of you, the aid was not held it was delayed.

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If true? Are you familiar with Crossfire Hurricane and the FISA abuse? The FISA abuse and Crossfire Hurricane gave us Mueller. It was impossible to investigate the origin of the Mueller investigation while it was ongoing.

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That's all being investigated by Huber, right? Great!

So you're ok with the previous administration being held accountable, but you're not ok with this administration being held accountable for getting another foreign country involved in our elections?

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He wasn't getting them involved in our election. He's getting them involved in something that happened in their country. It would be difficult to investigate without them. The fact Biden is running for president shouldn't shield him from investigation.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Sure. You seem to argue that if a President acts in any way that might (even in some far fetched circumstance, including writing a book) may personally benefit him/her after their presidency, that those actions are impeachable during their presidency.

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Writing a book was just an example of how being the President could be personally beneficial. Every President has the right to do that once they leave office. While in office though, the President is not permitted to use the power of his office with the intention of benefiting themselves personally.

For instance, Joe Biden is not permitted to use the power of his Vice Presidency to protect his son. If he did, he should be punished.

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But unfortunately, the person with the knowledge, means and authority to initiate that investigation isn't allowed to do so in your view.

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There is nothing stopping Attorney General Barr from opening an investigation. White House Counsel today confirmed our DOJ has no such investigation opened. Don't you think that's strange?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Haven forbid the left go ballistic! Whatever would we do?

Announcement not necessary. Have grand jury look into it. (Maybe they already are)

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White House Counsel was asked by a Senator yesterday if it was being investigated, and they said No.

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White House Counsel would have no reason to know, nor would it be their place to comment if they did know, in the absence of a DOJ public announcement.

People forget that what Comey did regarding Hillary's emails was unprecedented and contrary to DOJ rules, regulations and procedures. He should have been fired by Obama for it. And if Hillary had been a Republican, he would have.

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The more Jimmy talks, it becomes more and more apparent that Trump maybe took the BEST OPTION for investigating Biden.


President, if he believes a crime has occurred, has a duty to investigate.
Instructing the DOJ to open the case on its face looks politically motivated
A DOJ led investigation has a high probability of hurting the credibility of the DOJ
You can't do nothing, so you ask the person with Jurisdiction to investigate, announce it, which solves ALL THREE problems above.

Did Jimmy just prove Trump made a measured, logical, and appropriate response?

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Please, kind sir... If you insist on feeding the troll can you at least stop quoting him? Staff, can you make it where quotes of people who one has ignored don't appear?

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Haven forbid the left go ballistic! Whatever would we do?

Announcement not necessary. Have grand jury look into it. (Maybe they already are)

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Ballistic isn't the problem, the new impeachment inquiry would be the problem.

Can the grand jury look into it without help from Ukraine? Oops, there you go getting the Ukraine involved in our elections.

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Any Administration that sits on a case because they are afraid of the politics is corrupt isn't it?

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See, he's corrupt if he does, and he's corrupt if he doesn't.

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I don't have an issue with Biden being investigated by the USA.

This has been a troll thread since the beginning. So no, I'll quote trolls here.

Feel free to add me to your ignore list.

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This has been a troll thread since the beginning. So no, I'll quote trolls here.

Feel free to add me to your ignore list.

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Done!

I think blaming not doing investigation because there might be a new impeachment is an incredibly weak talking point.

Trump has functioned just fine, even thrived during this impeachment.

I believe the truth is that even in America there is an untouchable class. Hillary and Biden are in that class.

Of course no one can officially admit that

There is no doubt in my mind that should trump happen to lose this November, which I don't think he will, the next Democrat is going to come after him criminally. That's disgusting on his face, But it tells you that the protected class is not just based on money.

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The more Jimmy talks, it becomes more and more apparent that Trump maybe took the BEST OPTION for investigating Biden.


President, if he believes a crime has occurred, has a duty to investigate.
Instructing the DOJ to open the case on its face looks politically motivated
A DOJ led investigation has a high probability of hurting the credibility of the DOJ
You can't do nothing, so you ask the person with Jurisdiction to investigate, announce it, which solves ALL THREE problems above.

Did Jimmy just prove Trump made a measured, logical, and appropriate response?

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Please, kind sir... If you insist on feeding the troll can you at least stop quoting him? Staff, can you make it where quotes of people who one has ignored don't appear?

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Safe space needs to be safer.

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Jimmy Valentine said:

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You don't seriously believe they could announce an investigation into Biden family corruption tomorrow without the left going ballistic, do you? A new impeachment inquiry would begin immediately.

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Any Administration that sits on a case because they are afraid of the politics is corrupt isn't it?

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See, he's corrupt if he does, and he's corrupt if he doesn't.

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I don't have an issue with Biden being investigated by the USA.

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You have an issue with Biden be investigated by the President of the USA. The guy in charge of the DOJ.

Seriously, I do try not to quote trolls in the daily thread or other new threads.

But this is a cesspool. I enjoy the cesspool. I don't enjoy the right wing snowflakes.

A large part of the issue is that the word "troll "often means "someone I disagree with"

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I think blaming not doing investigation because there might be a new impeachment is an incredibly weak talking point.

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I'm just pointing out it doesn't matter which way he goes, they're going to go after him.

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Trump has functioned just fine, even thrived during this impeachment.


I believe the truth is that even in America there is an untouchable class. Hillary and Biden are in that class.

Of course no one can officially admit that

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Sad, but true, and they are mostly denizens of the swamp. Some of us love draining the swamp, but swamp rats come in both R's and D's, so there is lots of resistance to draining it.

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There is no doubt in my mind that should trump happen to lose this November, which I don't think he will, the next Democrat is going to come after him criminally. That's disgusting on his face, But it tells you that the protected class is not just based on money.

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Warren has already announced she will form a commission to investigate him and his children.

I'm fine with that as long as they follow the law in their investigation.

I fully expect they will find nothing. As if Trump smears aren't being researched and cooked up everyday already.

If the vote on witnesses was tied 50-50, does the VP still cast the deciding vote, or does that fall to CJ Roberts?

Word today is that momentum is building to deny witnesses and acquit tomorrow...

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If the vote on witnesses was tied 50-50, does the VP still cast the deciding vote, or does that fall to CJ Roberts?

Word today is that momentum is building to deny witnesses and acquit tomorrow...

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Roberts can cast a vote breaking a tie. Or he can abstain from voting. Under the rules of the Senate a final vote of 50-50 means no majority and the measure fails.

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The more Jimmy talks, it becomes more and more apparent that Trump maybe took the BEST OPTION for investigating Biden.


President, if he believes a crime has occurred, has a duty to investigate.
Instructing the DOJ to open the case on its face looks politically motivated
A DOJ led investigation has a high probability of hurting the credibility of the DOJ
You can't do nothing, so you ask the person with Jurisdiction to investigate, announce it, which solves ALL THREE problems above.

Did Jimmy just prove Trump made a measured, logical, and appropriate response?

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Please, kind sir... If you insist on feeding the troll can you at least stop quoting him? Staff, can you make it where quotes of people who one has ignored don't appear?

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Safe space needs to be safer.

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I promise, I am not need of any safe space. But I am at an age now where I realize time is the most precious of resources, and I'm not wasting any of it arguing with people who just want to argue, or watching others do so. I come here for the news of the day, not watching a ping pong match.

To each his own.