***** OFFICIAL TRUMP IMPEACHMENT THREAD *****
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MetoliusAg said:
EX-DOJ prosecutor Joyce Vance is looking at the bribery and extortion case, and asking aloud the same "elephant in the room" question most Americans have:
"Why are Trump's chief subordinates -- all who have now been implicated by Sondland and Hill -- refusing to be questioned by Congress and give sworn testimony if they and Trump are innocent?"
It has nothing to do with patriotism. They're simply refusing to participate in a partisan witch hunt. You're helplessly and pathetically delusional if you think the Democrats are doing this to save the Republic. Why would anyone participate in an impeachment they know is being conducted in bad faith?
If they were not patriots they'd support the scum bag Democrats.
"If you have nothing to hide then you should definitely talk to the cops and prosecutor without a lawyer present! You can trust them to not take advantage of the lack of due process and it's the patriotic thing to do!" No need for a messy trial with judges and lawyers and rules to protect your rights!"
-Basically all Libs have left at this point
-Basically all Libs have left at this point
Nothing patriotic about the Left behavior from January 2017.
Have you stopped beating your wife?MetoliusAg said:
EX-DOJ prosecutor Joyce Vance is looking at the bribery and extortion case, and asking aloud the same "elephant in the room" question most Americans have:
"Why are Trump's chief subordinates -- all who have now been implicated by Sondland and Hill -- refusing to be questioned by Congress and give sworn testimony if they and Trump are innocent?"
MetoliusAg said:
EX-DOJ prosecutor Joyce Vance is looking at the bribery and extortion case, and asking aloud the same "elephant in the room" question most Americans have:
"Why are Trump's chief subordinates -- all who have now been implicated by Sondland and Hill -- refusing to be questioned by Congress and give sworn testimony if they and Trump are innocent?"
Why is Hunter & Joe Biden refusing to talk to investigators in Ukraine and Congress if he is innocent? They should welcome the Trump investigation to clear their name!
Solid logic.
Right, they're trying to impeach a president for even suggesting they should be investigated. Hypocrisy in the extreme is the left's specialty!
Her history of tweets are clearly party over republic.
I don't care what she did or what shes doing now; she is nothing more than a leftist ideologue.
I don't care what she did or what shes doing now; she is nothing more than a leftist ideologue.
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No offense intended, but I've learned to maintain a healthy amount of skepticism of your legal opinions, due to the number of errors you've made in some of your prior posts on legal issues.
Says the guy who thinks Barr should be tried for treason for elucidating on the Unitary Executive theory that basically no serious legal scholar disagrees with from an historical and precedent perspective.
Hawg may have been mistaken a time or two, but your pathetic obsession with her is sad. She has run circles around you more times then anyone can remember, which is probably why you cling so desperately to the couple of times you "got her
."
Also, Met, to answer your initial "elephant in the room" garbage, and this should be obvious, but because they didn't need to.
Duh.
The Dems had a kangaroo court stacked in their favor and still failed miserably to make their case. If they are dumb enough to push this to the Senate, which all indication is they are, they have absolutely no chance of removal. None. They lost miserably on their home court playing with literal house rules that were designed to give them every edge possible.
In the Senate where the roles are reversed they are going to get their asses handed to them.
Duh.
The Dems had a kangaroo court stacked in their favor and still failed miserably to make their case. If they are dumb enough to push this to the Senate, which all indication is they are, they have absolutely no chance of removal. None. They lost miserably on their home court playing with literal house rules that were designed to give them every edge possible.
In the Senate where the roles are reversed they are going to get their asses handed to them.
It's 8:27 AM on November 22, 2019 and Donald J. Trump is STILL the POTUS...
and Jeffrey Epstein STILL didn't kill himself.
and Jeffrey Epstein STILL didn't kill himself.
Covidians, Communists, CNN, FOX, and all other MSM are enemies of the state and should be treated as such.
Your never ending ability to take my words completely out of context is quite amazing. I'll type this slooowwly so maybe you will be able to follow along.Quote:
Your "she dumb" comment is an interesting snap judgement by you of her criminal law acumen,
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Why I said, "say that in front of jury" and then commented why she is a former prosecutor. She's making the exact same argument, if said in front of a jury, would result in a mistrial. Hence, the "she dumb" remark.
IANAL types can say that tripe but a seasoned prosecutor should know better.
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CNN's @ChrisCuomo: "Did you ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?"
@RudyGiuliani: "Of course I did"
Sondland imo was still being less than 100% forthcoming in his 2nd round of sworn testimony, but he did make a simple but obvious point: If the meeting wasn't conditioned upon Zelensky giving the statement Trump wanted on the investigations, they would have just had the meeting.
If, then, maybe, I dunno.MetoliusAg said:Quote:
CNN's @ChrisCuomo: "Did you ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?"
@RudyGiuliani: "Of course I did"
Sondland imo was still being less than 100% forthcoming in his 2nd round of sworn testimony, but he did make a simple but obvious point: If the meeting wasn't conditioned upon Zelensky giving the statement Trump wanted on the investigations, they would have just had the meeting.
Sondland was just playing nice to both sides because he needs Schiff/the leftists to quite parading about/terrorizing/damaging his hotels.
Gary Johnson said:Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Cool story. We aren't in court she was saying what Americans are thinking. Trump is blocking witnesses and evidence, why? Probably the same reason Nixon did.
Why don't democrats take those witnesses and subpeonas to court? Congress & Executive are co-equal branches of government, congress doesn't get to go on unlimited fishing expeditions.
The kind of a response I would expect of someone with a limited understanding of separation of powers and Unitary Executive theory, not to mention the 5th Amendment.Gary Johnson said:Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Cool story. We aren't in court she was saying what Americans are thinking. Trump is blocking witnesses and evidence, why? Probably the same reason Nixon did.
But allow me to use your own "logic" and apply it to the misnamed "whistle blower" Eric Ciaramella. Why is he refusing to testify and why is Schiff going to such great lengths to outlaw even the mention of his name by minority members of the House? What are they hiding? Which crimes?
Must be pretty bad, no?
Gary Johnson said:Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Cool story. We aren't in court she was saying what Americans are thinking. Trump is blocking witnesses and evidence, why? Probably the same reason Nixon did.
Americans aren't thinking anything because by and large they don't give a **** about this and will forget about it by Black Friday.
99 plus percent of Americans don't give a **** about this.Gary Johnson said:Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Cool story. We aren't in court she was saying what Americans are thinking. Trump is blocking witnesses and evidence, why? Probably the same reason Nixon did.
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
MetoliusAg said:You're telling a falsehood. I've never said that about Barr. His speech was replete with conspiracy theories, historical, factual, and legal errors, and logical fallacies. But clearly a poorly-reasoned speech is no reason to try him for treason.Quote:
Says the guy who thinks Barr should be tried for treason for elucidating on the Unitary Executive theory that basically no serious legal scholar disagrees with from an historical and precedent perspective.
If the government wasn't allowed to investigate conspiracy theories, how did the Mueller investigation last for 2 years?
What a load of horse pookie. Where did you get that? ShareBlue?Quote:
His speech was replete with conspiracy theories, historical, factual, and legal errors, and logical fallacies. But clearly a poorly-reasoned speech is no reason to try him for treason.
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Gary Johnson said:
Still ranting about Crowdstrike and boasting of his technological ignorance.
So a replication of a HDD /= giving a server to someone.
If you replicate a server, you are ONLY getting the information currently active in the HDD file tables, NOT any files that have been deleted. So there is a LOT of information you are not getting.
Second of all... It is amazing to me that the servers were not taken by the FBI wherever they may be. The FBI can get the servers. The cloud doesn't have anything to do with anything. The PHYSICAL servers are SOMEWHERE.
If you are a company with virtual servers in the cloud hosting pedo content, you think the FBI won't go find those servers? There are many ways to host files not on the regular Internet. If they don't grab the servers what will they bring to trial? "Oh the servers are in the cloud, we couldn't get them." B.S. that would mean pedo content would still be available on some server somewhere.
Are you sure you know your technology?
1. Crowdstrike provided "clones" of the servers. It is possible that digital clone could be doctored to fit a narrative.
2. The founder or owner (doesn't matter) was from Ukraine. It is possible that he had his company back up the original information to servers in his home country.
Saying that, Crowdstrike could be a dead end.
But I feel confident that a Russian (or DNC) disinformation campaign was run from Ukraine that made it way into the Steele Dossier. This Russian (or DNC) intelligence operation lead the majority liberals to believe Donald Trump was a Russian puppet, destabilizing our country. This in itself is enough to look into the origins of the 2016 election interference in Russia.
2. The founder or owner (doesn't matter) was from Ukraine. It is possible that he had his company back up the original information to servers in his home country.
Saying that, Crowdstrike could be a dead end.
But I feel confident that a Russian (or DNC) disinformation campaign was run from Ukraine that made it way into the Steele Dossier. This Russian (or DNC) intelligence operation lead the majority liberals to believe Donald Trump was a Russian puppet, destabilizing our country. This in itself is enough to look into the origins of the 2016 election interference in Russia.
Even Fiona Hill recognized the Steele Dossier as a "rabbit hole" that was Russian disinformation and lacking credibility.Quote:
But I feel confident that a Russian (or DNC) disinformation campaign was run from Ukraine that made it way into the Steele Dossier. This Russian (or DNC) intelligence operation lead the majority liberals to believe Donald Trump was a Russian puppet, destabilizing our country. This in itself is enough to look into the origins of the 2016 election interference in Russia.
In other words, you admit you intentionally took her words out of context in order to make a strawman argument. Unfortunately for you, she didn't say what you just claimed nor was she speaking to a jury while trying a case.Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Surely you're not telling us that you as a lawyer wouldn't want exculpatory witnesses to testify and exculpatory evidence to be presented if it benefitted your client?
Mulvaney and Giuliani were two of the principle participants in the events being investigated by the HoR, and if they are exculpatory witnesses for Trump, they should testify. Likewise, the subpoenaed document evidence (texts, emails, and written documents) should be released. The American people deserve to know the truth.
Ok folks. I did myself a favor. I'm ignoring him for 24 hours. This is going to be a much better Friday.
MetoliusAg said:In other words, you admit you intentionally took her words out of context in order to make a strawman argument. Unfortunately for you, she didn't say what you just claimed nor was she speaking to a jury while trying a case.Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
Surely you're not telling us that you as a lawyer wouldn't want exculpatory witnesses to testify and exculpatory evidence to be presented if it benefitted your client?
Mulvaney and Giuliani were two of the principle participants in the events being investigated by the HoR, and if they are exculpatory witnesses for Trump, they should testify. Likewise, the subpoenaed document evidence (texts, emails, and written documents) should be released. The American people deserve to know the truth.
Hunter Biden & the Eric Carmella are exculpatory witness for Trump. They should testify
Good Lord, you can be dense sometimes. Stop conflating multiple disparate scenarios, with my hypothetical of if she said that in front of a jury.
Her comment was ill-considered and completely based on bias and personal animus, not some solid legal reasoning.
Now unwad your knickers and just stop embarrassing yourself.
Her comment was ill-considered and completely based on bias and personal animus, not some solid legal reasoning.
Now unwad your knickers and just stop embarrassing yourself.
That's exactly what Nixon's supporters falsely claimed, too. Art Buchwald wrote a famous newspaper column about it.aginlakeway said:99 plus percent of Americans don't give a **** about this.Gary Johnson said:Cool story. We aren't in court she was saying what Americans are thinking. Trump is blocking witnesses and evidence, why? Probably the same reason Nixon did.Quote:
The single worst thing a prosecutor in a criminal trial can ever do is even make a reference to any inference to a defendant's failure to take the stand by asserting the 5th Amendment. Automatic mistrial.
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