***** OFFICIAL TRUMP IMPEACHMENT THREAD *****

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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.
Zero evidence of that
Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.


Even with it, it's not illegal. "Abuse of power" isn't a crime. It might be impeachable. But it's not a crime.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 9:57p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.
Zero evidence of that
Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.


Where is a written copy of this testimony you speak of?
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 9:58p, 10/29/19
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What testimony? Those are Schiffs liars. The trump haters.
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In reply to captkirk • 9:58p, 10/29/19
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captkirk said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.
Zero evidence of that
Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.
I've read the transcript and listened to Zelinsky's statements. Some Obama holdover's "feelings" about the call are of no interest to me
Ah, so what your saying is you just dismiss evidence that doesnt confirm your priors.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 9:58p, 10/29/19
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aginlakeway said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.


So they attempted to do that. So that's the high crime Got it. Thanks.

Fyi ... it's going to be a long next 5 years for you with Trump as your POTUS.
Investigations not announced, military aid not withheld. They keep glossing over that fact
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In reply to mrad85 • 9:59p, 10/29/19
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mrad85 said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.
Zero evidence of that
Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.


Where is a written copy of this testimony you speak of?


Don't fall into this ridiculous frame. Trump has every right as president to make sure corruption is investigated. Countries that don't cooperate don't get military aid.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 9:59p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.
Zero evidence of that
Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.
I've read the transcript and listened to Zelinsky's statements. Some Obama holdover's "feelings" about the call are of no interest to me
Ah, so what your saying is you just dismiss evidence that doesnt confirm your priors.
Questionable statements from conflicted partisans. At the end of the day, no investigations were announced and no aid was withheld
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In reply to Rockdoc • 9:59p, 10/29/19
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What testimony? Those are Schiffs liars. The trump haters.
This has to be the dumbest line of Trump defense I have read. Yes, all just Trump haters part of the deep state conspiracy.
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Typical lib. Don't like the truth
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Based on her posts, I know it. She didn't even know the case she cited specifically validated impeachment proceedings as an exception for the release of grand jury materials.
GAAAWWWDDD! What is wrong with you?

There is no authorization from a vote in the House to conduct formal impeachment proceedings. That threshold hasn't been reached yet.

Insult me as much as you like but just stop lying about the legal presentment of the case before the courts.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:01p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
Rockdoc said:
What testimony? Those are Schiffs liars. The trump haters.
This has to be the dumbest line of Trump defense I have read. Yes, all just Trump haters part of the deep state conspiracy.


So the military aid was withheld or not as part of a quid pro quo?
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10:01p, 10/29/19
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Get this through your thick skulls:

At the end of the day, no investigations were announced and no aid was withheld
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In reply to Rockdoc • 10:01p, 10/29/19
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Typical lib. Don't like the truth
Theres no way youre not a liberal troll. Kudos, though.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:01p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
Rockdoc said:
What testimony? Those are Schiffs liars. The trump haters.
This has to be the dumbest line of Trump defense I have read. Yes, all just Trump haters part of the deep state conspiracy.


These trump haters are just butthurt they don't get to call the shots and take bribes in foreign countries. Trump sets foreign policy, not some pencil pusher at the NSC.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:02p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
Rockdoc said:
Typical lib. Don't like the truth
Theres no way youre not a liberal troll. Kudos, though.

Really? TDS got you?
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In reply to aginlakeway • 10:03p, 10/29/19
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aginlakeway said:
Malibu said:
Rockdoc said:
What testimony? Those are Schiffs liars. The trump haters.
This has to be the dumbest line of Trump defense I have read. Yes, all just Trump haters part of the deep state conspiracy.


So the military aid was withheld or not as part of a quid pro quo?
Yes, that seems pretty obvious. At least hbdeuce is offering the no **** he tried to delay aid for investigating Biden but who cares defense.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:04p, 10/29/19
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No investigations/No aid withheld
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In reply to captkirk • 10:05p, 10/29/19
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No investigations/No aid withheld
The Sideshow Bob defense?
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Yes, that seems pretty obvious. At least hbdeuce is offering the no **** he tried to delay aid for investigating Biden but who cares defense.
Didn't you work for some NGO? Or do you still work for one?
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:06p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
Malibu said:
Rockdoc said:
What testimony? Those are Schiffs liars. The trump haters.
This has to be the dumbest line of Trump defense I have read. Yes, all just Trump haters part of the deep state conspiracy.


So the military aid was withheld or not as part of a quid pro quo?
Yes, that seems pretty obvious. At least hbdeuce is offering the no **** he tried to delay aid for investigating Biden but who cares defense.


Hunter Biden got paid millions by Ukrainians. Not worried about "foreign influence" on politicians anymore?

So it's not "who cares" but "it's in the national interest to investigate". Or is foreign money good if you have a (D) next to your name?
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:07p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
No investigations/No aid withheld
The Sideshow Bob defense?
Neither happened. Are you claiming they did?
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In reply to aginlakeway • 10:09p, 10/29/19
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Gary Johnson said:
HE WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO END WORLDWIDE CORRUPTION. IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THE ONLY SHAKY CASES HE WAS INTERESTED IN INVOLVE HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL AMBITIONS.

He's long been known as a champion of the anti-corruption movement.


Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?


IF it's true I think impeachment and a fine with community service would be appropriate.

I will get some schaddenfraude enjoyment that he was taken down by nutty conspiracy theory gullibility.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:10p, 10/29/19
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Yes, that seems pretty obvious. At least hbdeuce is offering the no **** he tried to delay aid for investigating Biden but who cares defense.
Didn't you work for some NGO? Or do you still work for one?
No, never did. I was an unpaid intern at OPIC during my 2nd year of MBA. I audited debt underwriting models for real estate deals in 3rd world countries.
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10:10p, 10/29/19
Now that it has been reported that Vindman listened to the July phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and that Vindman testified today that the call readout released by Trump had material omissions, it's easy to see why Trump and the RWM were so hell bent on discrediting & smearing Lt. Col. Vindman and painting him as a double agent and spy before Vindman had even testified.

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In reply to captkirk • 10:11p, 10/29/19
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captkirk said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
No investigations/No aid withheld
The Sideshow Bob defense?
Neither happened. Are you claiming they did?
Did Trump try to use military aid as leverege to investigate Biden? Yes or no.
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In reply to MetoliusAg • 10:12p, 10/29/19
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Now that it has been reported that Vindman listened to the July phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and that Vindman testified today that the call readout released by Trump had material omissions, it's easy to see why Trump and the RWM were so hell bent on discrediting & smearing Lt. Col. Vindman and painting him as a double agent and spy before Vindman had even testified.



Doesn't matter, Trump actions were 100% legal.
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In reply to MetoliusAg • 10:12p, 10/29/19
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Now that it has been reported that Vindman listened to the July phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and that Vindman testified today that the call readout released by Trump had material omissions, it's easy to see why Trump and the RWM were so hell bent on discrediting & smearing Lt. Col. Vindman and painting him as a double agent and spy before Vindman had even testified.


So it's just whoever you believe, right etcetera? Talk to the Ukrainians.
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In reply to MetoliusAg • 10:13p, 10/29/19
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Now that it has been reported that Vindman listened to the July phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and that Vindman testified today that the call readout released by Trump had material omissions, it's easy to see why Trump and the RWM were so hell bent on discrediting & smearing Lt. Col. Vindman and painting him as a double agent and spy before Vindman had even testified.
Link that Vindman has sworn under oath (and prison time) that the transcript has been altered???
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:14p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
No investigations/No aid withheld
The Sideshow Bob defense?
Neither happened. Are you claiming they did?
Did Trump try to use military aid as leverege to investigate Biden? Yes or no.


It depends on your interpretation. Ukraine president claims he felt no pressure. And you omit that Trump also wanted more investigation into the Russian Collusion Hoax.

But even if we accept your framing, it's still legal.
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In reply to MetoliusAg • 10:14p, 10/29/19
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MetoliusAg said:
Now that it has been reported that Vindman listened to the July phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and that Vindman testified today that the call readout released by Trump had material omissions, it's easy to see why Trump and the RWM were so hell bent on discrediting & smearing Lt. Col. Vindman and painting him as a double agent and spy before Vindman had even testified.



How do you know those reports are accurate?
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:15p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
No investigations/No aid withheld
The Sideshow Bob defense?
Neither happened. Are you claiming they did?
Did Trump try to use military aid as leverege to investigate Biden? Yes or no.


What law would that have violated?
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No. Aid was provided, Biden was not investigated
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In reply to aginlakeway • 10:15p, 10/29/19
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aginlakeway said:
MetoliusAg said:
Now that it has been reported that Vindman listened to the July phone call between Trump and Zelensky, and that Vindman testified today that the call readout released by Trump had material omissions, it's easy to see why Trump and the RWM were so hell bent on discrediting & smearing Lt. Col. Vindman and painting him as a double agent and spy before Vindman had even testified.



How do you know those reports are accurate?
This is a fair point.
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No. Aid was provided, Biden was not investigated
So Trump did not ever even attemptsuch a thing Completely made up and fabricated fake news? Your argument is that the ends nullify any means.
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In reply to Removed:09182020 • 10:19p, 10/29/19
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Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
captkirk said:
Malibu said:
aginlakeway said:
So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?
Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.
Zero evidence of that
Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.
I've read the transcript and listened to Zelinsky's statements. Some Obama holdover's "feelings" about the call are of no interest to me
Ah, so what your saying is you just dismiss evidence that doesnt confirm your priors.


What evidence? Hearsay? 3rd and 4th hand accounts vs a first hand transcript and first hand Zelensky claiming he wasn't pressured and didn't know the aid was held up?

All we are hearing is what Schiff leaks to the media and not any "cross examination" from these witnesses.
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