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Interesting. I'm wondering if she actually has that choice. Isn't the schedule for trial entirely up to the Senate?

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She has to appoint the House managers who will present the case to the Senate. She hasn't named them and can take her time.

Politically the country is tired of this **** so she's taking a risk to string this out and Trump and Republicans will be howling that this is the equivalent of being indicted and not allowed to defend yourself in court.

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Umm, not constitutionally she doesn't. If the Senate says "trial starts on X date", it may well be that's the date whether Pelosi is ready or not.

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Watching Fox News now and one of their experts is basically saying the ball is in Pelosi's court to send the articles, appoint the House Managers, etc. saying that she can withhold the articles as long as she wants. That McConnell can't do anything other than work on possible rules and procedures in the Senate until he gets the articles. Essentially saying Pelosi still has the power here until the articles leave the House and can use the media to portray a non-impartial Senate as the reason for holding them up.

So, guess it remains to be seen what happens. This is largely uncharted water in our times. Sad and pathetic really.

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Wrong, he can keep confirming Federal Judges at warp speed!!

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ETA: the WaPO reporter who posted the picture of them celebrating impeachment seems to have deleted the tweet.

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Imagine someone on Internet captured it. Recall it was the WaPo gang at table toasting "Merry Impeachmas" from all the crew, or something to that effect. It reminded of the HuffPo board, but there were men there at least in this one.

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Been reading Hayek and Mises.

Still can't find the chapter where they advocate abusing public office for corrupt personal gain.

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Trump supporters in this forum don't care that Trump committed bribery, obstruction of justice, and other impeachable offenses. They've said it hundreds of times. Believe them.

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ETA: the WaPO reporter who posted the picture of them celebrating impeachment seems to have deleted the tweet.

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Imagine someone on Internet captured it. Recall it was the WaPo gang at table toasting "Merry Impeachmas" from all the crew, or something to that effect. It reminded of the HuffPo board, but there were men there at least in this one.

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Titan: you watch Mark Levin. This is beneath you.

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Good political strategy here. He did it tonight at the rally when he kept saying "They want to get rid of 'US'."

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Him lying and inciting hate is "good political strategy" ? Don't think so.

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Not very bright are you? Inciting hate? Really, from a supporter of the biggest hate group in the US? Pot meet kettle...

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He is just pointing out that your Dems are running their campaigns on nothing but hate.
Trump is only telling the truth when the Democrats abuse their majority power in the House to overturn an election just because their girl lost.

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ETA: the WaPO reporter who posted the picture of them celebrating impeachment seems to have deleted the tweet.

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Imagine someone on Internet captured it. Recall it was the WaPo gang at table toasting "Merry Impeachmas" from all the crew, or something to that effect. It reminded of the HuffPo board, but there were men there at least in this one.

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Titan: you watch Mark Levin. This is beneath you.

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I do indeed. But what are you talking about? That is the image as seen as best recalled. It was on page 189 and now it is gone. I am nearly sure it was the word "impeachmas". Or are you saying it was a fraud?

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Been reading Hayek and Mises.

Still can't find the chapter where they advocate abusing public office for corrupt personal gain.

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Trump supporters in this forum don't care that Trump committed bribery, obstruction of justice, and other impeachable offenses. They've said it hundreds of times. Believe them.

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We would care if he had done it. Impeaching a president for exercising his constitutional executive powers is the Democrats' abuse of power.

You must have missed the testimony during the Schiff show.

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They don't.

But in defending Comey, Brennan, .... and their leftist associates, you most certainly are advocating Orwellian bureaucracy, Stalinist surveillance, and Boss Tweed-style abuse of office for corrupt gain.

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Citation needed. You won't find it.

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Do you really think Hayek would pine, as you do, for the use of a phony dossier to overturn a legal election result?

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Citation needed. You won't find it.

Giuliani did turn over a phony dossier to the FBI, DOJ, and congress back in May but was laughed at and ignored because it was full of idiot bait. Unfortunately for Trump, he fell for it. He ignored the advice of his advisors and intelligence community, the victim of his own gullibility.

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Been reading Hayek and Mises.

Still can't find the chapter where they advocate abusing public office for corrupt personal gain.

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Trump supporters in this forum don't care that Trump committed bribery, obstruction of justice, and other impeachable offenses. They've said it hundreds of times. Believe them.

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All claims your heroes in the House of Representatives failed to prove in any of their hearings on this most recent hoax.

Hard to buy into posts from someone who routinely endorsed the veracity of a dossier whose contents were not even validated by the individual producing it.

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Been reading Hayek and Mises.

Still can't find the chapter where they advocate abusing public office for corrupt personal gain.

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Trump supporters in this forum don't care that Trump committed bribery, obstruction of justice, and other impeachable offenses. They've said it hundreds of times. Believe them.

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You should send Dems the evidence for these, since they apparently couldn't find any.

It's like etcetera isn't even trying anymore.

Get some sleep buddy. Maybe you can do better tomorrow.

Honorable guy, Amash. Thanks to Trump, Amash learned the same lesson about the "Republican conservative movement" that we Dems have learned: it was always a lie.

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But in defending Comey, Brennan, .... and their leftist associates, you most certainly are advocating Orwellian bureaucracy, Stalinist surveillance, and Boss Tweed-style abuse of office for corrupt gain.

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Citation needed. You won't find it.

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Citation needed. You won't find it.

Giuliani did turn over a phony dossier to the FBI, DOJ, and congress back in May but was laughed at and ignored because it was full of idiot bait. Unfortunately for Trump, he fell for it. He ignored the advice of his advisors and intelligence community, the victim of his own gullibility.

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Bookmarking this one for posterity

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Honorable guy, Amash. Thanks to Trump, Amash learned the same lesson about the "Republican conservative movement" that we Dems have learned: it was always a lie.

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I don't need Amash to opine on what my principles and values are

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Been reading Hayek and Mises.

Still can't find the chapter where they advocate abusing public office for corrupt personal gain.

This is not an ideological question Rs, D's, or Ls disagree on, everybody agrees it would be wrong. It's a matter of fact and partisanship coloring beliefs about if it happened or not.

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When Hunter Biden was still a board member of Burisma, how did he pay for his week long crack binge with Bicycles in Los Angeles homeless camps since he had left his wallet on the plane?

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ETA: the WaPO reporter who posted the picture of them celebrating impeachment seems to have deleted the tweet.

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Imagine someone on Internet captured it. Recall it was the WaPo gang at table toasting "Merry Impeachmas" from all the crew, or something to that effect. It reminded of the HuffPo board, but there were men there at least in this one.

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Titan: you watch Mark Levin. This is beneath you.

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I do indeed. But what are you talking about? That is the image as seen as best recalled. It was on page 189 and now it is gone. I am nearly sure it was the word "impeachmas". Or are you saying it was a fraud?

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I'm saying: clucking your tongue about that tweet is rank hypocrisy. Fox News Channel is 95% biased.
Levin, Hannity, Ingraham, Dobbs, Pirro, lol. You are better than this.

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Amash learned the same lesson about the "Republican conservative movement" that we Dems have learned: it was always a lie.

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Nice little drive by.

Would you care to expand on this comment? Or do you just regurgitate what Left-Twitter tells you to say?

Levin doesn't claim to be unbiased. WaPo's journalists try to claim objectivity, when they have consistently demonstrated that they aren't capable of it.

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Honorable guy, Amash. Thanks to Trump, Amash learned the same lesson about the "Republican conservative movement" that we Dems have learned: it was always a lie.

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I don't need Amash to opine on what my principles and values are

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One thing that is true is that it wasn't smaller and more limited government. But its only a certain slice of Republicans who think that is still possible. In an age where even right wingers feel entitled to health care, I am not one of them that thinks it is feasible anymore.

As for principles--- rolling over while one side cheats is just empty futility. This is not high spiritual theology.

Swamp was aptly named-- at the most all that Amash guy may prove right on is that none of them were any good. But don't think so.

How come Metolius continues to ignore requests of proof of crimes by the Trump administration but instead continually posts tweets from random People?

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ETA: the WaPO reporter who posted the picture of them celebrating impeachment seems to have deleted the tweet.

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Imagine someone on Internet captured it. Recall it was the WaPo gang at table toasting "Merry Impeachmas" from all the crew, or something to that effect. It reminded of the HuffPo board, but there were men there at least in this one.

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Titan: you watch Mark Levin. This is beneath you.

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I do indeed. But what are you talking about? That is the image as seen as best recalled. It was on page 189 and now it is gone. I am nearly sure it was the word "impeachmas". Or are you saying it was a fraud?

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I'm saying: clucking your tongue about that tweet is rank hypocrisy. Fox News Channel is 95% biased.
Levin, Hannity, Ingraham, Dobbs, Pirro, lol. You are better than this.

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I get you. But I don't see anything in my dart that says FOX is not unbiased. In fact, the best way to think of the media today is most is biased Democrat, and a sliver is biased Republican, and almost none can see is doing dead down the middle in a Turley style. It is worth noting though, that many of the evening commentators on FOX, like Hannity himself, freely admit their commentator bias. So its not quite the same faux pretenses imo.

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How come Metolius continues to ignore requests of proof of crimes by the Trump administration but instead continually posts tweets from random People?

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modus operandi

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Citation needed. You won't find it.

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Citation needed. You won't find it.

Giuliani did turn over a phony dossier to the FBI, DOJ, and congress back in May but was laughed at and ignored because it was full of idiot bait. Unfortunately for Trump, he fell for it. He ignored the advice of his advisors and intelligence community, the victim of his own gullibility.

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Whenever you have responded to matters related to the Steele Dossier, you have done your best Chuck Todd imitation and dismissed it all as mere conspiracy.

With regard to Biden, you continue to defend his use of taxpayer money to protect his son's interests as legitimate. You do so in spite of the fact that Biden's role in this matter ramps up considerably after the PGO raided Zlochevsky's house on 02FEB16 and seized his assets on 04FEB16.

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He wasn't protecting his son's interests, firing Shokin endangered corrupt oligarchs. He is responsible for sabotaging an investigation in to Zlochevsky in '14-'15 when he was a deputy in the PGO, one of the reasons the state department wanted him gone. This is confirmed by contemporary reporting before Biden got involved. Biden was just one messenger, among many(including Republicans), it wasn't even his idea. Shokin is a dead end, clearing Joe. I've linked all this before don't feel like digging them up right now. This is well known even by Republicans, which is why they did nothing about it for 4 years.

Hunter is a messed up depressive drug addict. It's sad, but so what.

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He wasn't protecting his son's interests, firing Shokin endangered corrupt oligarchs. He is responsible for sabotaging an investigation in to Zlochevsky in '14-'15 when he was a deputy in the PGO, one of the reasons the state department wanted him gone. This is confirmed by contemporary reporting before Biden got involved. Biden was just one messenger, among many(including Republicans), it wasn't even his idea. Shokin is a dead end, clearing Joe. I've linked all this before don't feel like digging them up right now. This is well known even by Republicans, which is why they did nothing about it for 4 years.

Hunter is a messed up depressive drug addict. It's sad, but so what.

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There's a reason the no show job with significantly above market compensation for a family member of a foreign politician with influence over your company/industry is used as an example of bribery in every corporate bribery training in America.

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He wasn't protecting his son's interests, firing Shokin endangered corrupt oligarchs. He is responsible for sabotaging an investigation in to Zlochevsky in '14-'15 when he was a deputy in the PGO, one of the reasons the state department wanted him gone. This is confirmed by contemporary reporting before Biden got involved. Biden was just one messenger, among many(including Republicans), it wasn't even his idea. Shokin is a dead end, clearing Joe. I've linked all this before don't feel like digging them up right now. This is well known even by Republicans, which is why they did nothing about it for 4 years.

Hunter is a messed up depressive drug addict. It's sad, but so what.

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Hunter Biden got involved on the same day Shokin's office seized Zlochevsky's assets. His contact with Tony Blinken at State proves that.

A week later, Joe Biden begins a series of phone conversations with the Ukrainian government specifically asking for Shokin's ouster.

In earlier posts, you claimed Shokin was not investigating Burisma. That was false.

In a response to me, you insinuated the PGO never conducted the seizure of assets against Zlochevsky. All it took to prove that false was a link from another poster to the Kyiv Post.

Shokin has sworn statements under oath on file at the Ukraine confirming his activity against Burisma Holdings.

Biden, on the other hand, has consistently lied about what he knew regarding Burisma and when he knew it.

I know you need Biden to be innocent.

The timeline of Biden's activity as it relates to the PGO's activity against Burisma argues against you.

Zlochevsky likely didn't get what he thought he was paying for because besides the investigation Shokin killed in 2015, the other two investigations continued after he was fired.

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/anti-corruption-action-center-lutsenkos-speculation-regarding-burisma.html?cn-reloaded=1

The Shokin/Biden theory doesn't withstand any honest scrutiny, which is why Republicans did nothing with it for 4 years and DOJ ignored Giuliani's risible dossier.

Imagine a police department deliberating for years about devoting all resources to pulling a driver over for a traffic stop, but knowing they will have to let him drive off without a ticket. Then after they let the driver go, they plan another pullover knowing they will have to let the driver go again.

Who the heck do you think will come out on top in the end?!

By the way, Gary, this headline had to hurt your feelings a little bit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/16/horowitz-report-confirms-john-solomons-scoop-fbi-spreadsheet-regarding-steele-dossier/

This is the difference between a reporter who has sources and reliably reports on them and the leftist hacks you read in blind faith who merely tell you that "[Insert corrupt Democrat here] did nothing wrong."

Bro you gotta stop reading Solomon. He's been busted countless times. His timeline is incomplete and ignores key facts.

The investigation "Biden killed" doesn't exist. 1 was killed already(by Shokin) the other two resumed. His affidavit 4 years later in the service of a Russian mobster is not credible, he likely got the theory from Solomon and nobody in Ukraine trusts him, he was voted out by parliament 289-6. Kiev Post says he never once publicly mentioned Burisma in his year at the PGO.

I really DGAF about Biden I just enjoy picking apart bad conspiracy theories.

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I really DGAF about Biden I just enjoy picking apart bad conspiracy theories.

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For someone who doesn't care, you sure do spend a lot of time lying in his defense.

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Bro you gotta stop reading Solomon. He's been busted countless times. His timeline is incomplete and ignores key facts.

The investigation "Biden killed" doesn't exist. 1 was killed already(by Shokin) the other two resumed. His affidavit 4 years later in the service of a Russian mobster is not credible, he likely got the theory from Solomon and nobody in Ukraine trusts him, he was voted out by parliament 289-6. Kiev Post says he never once publicly mentioned Burisma in his year at the PGO.

I really DGAF about Biden I just enjoy picking apart bad conspiracy theories.

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Yeah, the theory about Biden wanting Shokin out for being lax on Burisma, in order to bring in Lutsenko who would aggressively investigate Burisma, makes perfect sense!

I'm a liar huh? Just cause I'm not a gullible idiot like Trump or Giuliani?

He got impeached for being dumb. I hope you guys find the mythical Ukrainian server and get to question it at trial.

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Yeah, the theory about Biden wanting Shokin out for being lax on Burisma, in order to bring in Lutsenko who would aggressively investigate Burisma, makes perfect sense!

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It makes sense if Biden was simply carrying out orders and isn't motivated by corruption, like Trump. A con man thinks everything's a con.

Burisma is small fries in Ukraine. There are other unsolved cases involving tens of $ billions, of much greater importance. This, along with Trump's apathy in '17 and '18 gives away his transparent goldfish-brain motivation.