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WaltonLoads08 said:

pfo said:

TexasRebel said:

Unless you're talking about chicken or beef stocks you'll still convert to USD.


Yes, that's true Texas but if the sales, revenues, dividends and appreciation of the stocks I bought are strong and the dollar continues to purchase fewer and fewer goods and services as it always has since Nixon took America off the gold standard in the early 1970's, then I will be selling those stocks in the future for a lot more dollars than I just paid for them.

The same could also be said for gold and land. It's not that gold and land and stocks are getting so much more valuable as it is that the currency we value things in (the US$) keeps getting less valuable. That's the big picture you never want to lose sight of.


That's an oversimplification of inflation, and I think you are smart enough to know that. No currency can ever stay at the exact same value in a growing economy.


Really? The American economy grew mightily at times prior to 1971 but the value of the dollar remained fairly stable (with the exception being the Great Depression). It was after the Gold Standard was abolished that the dollar's erosion of value rapidly accelerated.

I'm just too old and have seen the dollar devalued way too much over way too many decades to keep much of my weath in it? One thing I will say for liquidity however, is nobody understands the value of it until they don't have it. So it's always good to have some cash on hand.
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I'm just too old and have seen the dollar devalued way too much over way too many decades to keep much of my weath in it? One thing I will say for liquidity however, is nobody understands the value of it until they don't have it. So it's always good to have some cash on hand.

Just curious. If you don't keep much of your wealth in dollars, in what currency do you keep it?
TexasRebel
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Ammunition.
AggieAL1
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Best for robbing banks?
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I hedge with gold and silver. I use an etf as well as solid assets. This makes up roughly 10-12% of my investment portfolio. I also hold real estate.

The dollar will come crashing down one day. I just hope it's not in my lifetime.
TexasRebel
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Holds or increases value.

Hell... .45-70 passed $2/rd.
.22LR is finally back down, but not far enough. I have at least $100 profit laying loose on the floor of a pickup that's rotting in a field.
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AggieAL1 said:

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I'm just too old and have seen the dollar devalued way too much over way too many decades to keep much of my weath in it? One thing I will say for liquidity however, is nobody understands the value of it until they don't have it. So it's always good to have some cash on hand.

Just curious. If you don't keep much of your wealth in dollars, in what currency do you keep it?



Assets like, oil and gas, real estate, stocks etc. with a small U.S. cash position. Currencies printed by governments and backed by nothing but printing presses have historically been awful places to preserve wealth. Our federal government has plenty of company as bad stewards of the value of their money.
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Certainly the hallmark of a safe currency

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Bitcoin has given investors whiplash yet again.

Just after hitting a new record of more than $17,000, the digital currency plummeted Friday. Its price nosedived more than $3,000, swinging wildly between a high of $17,154 and a low of $13,964, according to tracking site CoinDesk.

Bitcoin has been on a wild ride this year. Its price has soared from less than $1,000 in January -- but with occasional sudden drops along the way.

Trading has become especially frenzied in recent weeks as new investors have dived into the volatile market. Before Friday's fall, it had gained roughly $5,000 in the previous 48 hours.

I am confident that all of the Bitcoiners got out at just the right time.
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That's why it's the Bitcoin rollercoaster.

All people should have a general idea what they're putting money in, and at a minimum looking at the last month shows some pretty wild swings that end up being a net positive less than a week later.

Market will have some even more wild swings with the futures markets open Bitcoin trading here in a week or so.
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That sure is some nice Bitcoin. Be a shame if anything were to happen to it.

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In recent months, experts and officials say North Korea has been "mining" bitcoin, demanding it as ransom payment and outright stealing the digital currency.

"It is a fact that North Korea has been attacking virtual currency exchanges," said Lee Dong-geun, a director with South Korea's state-run Korea Internet and Security Agency. "We don't know how much North Korea has stolen so far, but we do know that the police have confirmed the regime's hacking attempts."

North Korean hackers targeted four different exchanges that trade bitcoin and other digital currencies in South Korea in July and August, sending malicious emails to employees, according to police.

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The digital currency was designed to operate outside of the control of governments or banks. That's likely to appeal to North Korea at a time when the U.S. is stepping up efforts to cut the country out of the international financial system over its nuclear weapons program.

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It has also proved popular in the past with criminals because of the amount of anonymity it allows. Bitcoin isn't tied to any central bank, and payments can be made anonymously without using banks as middlemen.

Related: North Korea is trying to amass a bitcoin war chest


That could help North Korea convert its stash into money it can more easily use.
Bitcoins are often held in accounts with online exchanges. But Boland points out that hackers can easily swap them into more obscure cryptocurrencies, move them to other exchanges and eventually withdraw them in traditional currencies like dollars.

"They could do those transactions very quickly ... and avoid traceability of the cash," Boland said.
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Wildcat said:

Certainly the hallmark of a safe currency

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Bitcoin has given investors whiplash yet again.

Just after hitting a new record of more than $17,000, the digital currency plummeted Friday. Its price nosedived more than $3,000, swinging wildly between a high of $17,154 and a low of $13,964, according to tracking site CoinDesk.

Bitcoin has been on a wild ride this year. Its price has soared from less than $1,000 in January -- but with occasional sudden drops along the way.

Trading has become especially frenzied in recent weeks as new investors have dived into the volatile market. Before Friday's fall, it had gained roughly $5,000 in the previous 48 hours.

I am confident that all of the Bitcoiners got out at just the right time.


Good call!

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pfo said:

AggieAL1 said:

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I'm just too old and have seen the dollar devalued way too much over way too many decades to keep much of my weath in it? One thing I will say for liquidity however, is nobody understands the value of it until they don't have it. So it's always good to have some cash on hand.

Just curious. If you don't keep much of your wealth in dollars, in what currency do you keep it?



Assets like, oil and gas, real estate, stocks etc. with a small U.S. cash position. Currencies printed by governments and backed by nothing but printing presses have historically been awful places to preserve wealth. Our federal government has plenty of company as bad stewards of the value of their money.


Bad stewards
I need to use that more often. Thanks pfo.
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what if bitcoin is a secret CIA plot to bankrupt best korea?
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Then we move over to litecoin.
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Down 10%

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-19/bitcoin-slumps-10-percent-in-biggest-drop-since-before-futures
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BenFiasco14 said:

Down 10%

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-19/bitcoin-slumps-10-percent-in-biggest-drop-since-before-futures


Great time to buy!
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Pay attention to bitcoin cash, BCH.

Just got added to coinbase. Many (myself included) believe that it should be considered the "real" bitcoin, and the core developers usurped Satoshi's vision for something else.

Just pay attn.
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lawless89 said:

BenFiasco14 said:

Down 10%

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-19/bitcoin-slumps-10-percent-in-biggest-drop-since-before-futures


Great time to buy!

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ThatOneAg
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Another exchange bites the dust.



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The company lost another 4,000 Bitcoins ($5,5 million then, $74 million today) earlier in the spring
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Exchanges are still the weakest link, which they have always been.

Don't live off IOU'S.
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BobSacamano said:

administrative errors said:

Pay attention to bitcoin cash, BCH.

Just got added to coinbase. Many (myself included) believe that it should be considered the "real" bitcoin, and the core developers usurped Satoshi's vision for something else.

Just pay attn.


I use Coinbase and it's not letting me purchase BCH, it changes to BTC whenever try to confirm the transaction. The help section said something about people who owned BTC on August 1st being eligible to buy/trade BCH. Is it not public yet? Or is there a glitch/user error?
Sorry for all the edits. I'm an idiot.

TexasRebel
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I think Tom Petty had a song for this...
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outofstateaggie
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Tulip bulbs all over again.
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Tulip bulbs all over again.
Nope, only rational and coherent investment going on. No hysteria at all

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/crypto-craze-sees-long-island-iced-tea-rename-as-long-blockchain
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ramblin_ag02 said:

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Tulip bulbs all over again.
Nope, only rational and coherent investment going on. No hysteria at all

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/crypto-craze-sees-long-island-iced-tea-rename-as-long-blockchain
Long Island Iced Tea had a net loss of $3.9 million on sales of $1.6 million in the three months ended Sept. 30. The company has lost $11.6 million on sales of $3.9 million in the first nine months of the year.

Oh yeah, these guys should be good to go after changing their name to Long Island Blockchain Company, definitely worthy of the bump.
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If anyone has BitCash, sorry. I think I crashed it.

On the 20th, I saw that it has been rising pretty well. Then I bought some and down it went. Sorry.
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ponzi scheme to steal money from suckers
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TexAgs91 said:

If anyone has BitCash, sorry. I think I crashed it.

On the 20th, I saw that it has been rising pretty well. Then I bought some and down it went. Sorry.

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It has lost 25% of its value in 24hrs. But I am sure all of the TexAgs Wolves timed the market perfectly and are currently wiping their arse with all of the excess blockchain they own.

CNN Money
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Bitcoin prices plunged sharply to below $11,000 on Friday, shedding a third of its value in just 24 hours, according to data from CoinDesk.com. It later rebounded slightly to around $12,000 -- but that's still a stunning 25% less valuable than bitcoin was Thursday morning. Prices had approached $20,000 as recently as Sunday.

The turbulence comes on the back of a few days of bad news for bitcoin, which has still soared by more than 1,000% since the start of the year.

On Thursday, a bitcoin spinoff called bitcoin cash was suspended from one of the most popular exchanges after possible insider trading.


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Wildcat said:

It has lost 25% of its value in 24hrs. But I am sure all of the TexAgs Wolves timed the market perfectly and are currently wiping their arse with all of the excess blockchain they own.

CNN Money
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Bitcoin prices plunged sharply to below $11,000 on Friday, shedding a third of its value in just 24 hours, according to data from CoinDesk.com. It later rebounded slightly to around $12,000 -- but that's still a stunning 25% less valuable than bitcoin was Thursday morning. Prices had approached $20,000 as recently as Sunday.

The turbulence comes on the back of a few days of bad news for bitcoin, which has still soared by more than 1,000% since the start of the year.

On Thursday, a bitcoin spinoff called bitcoin cash was suspended from one of the most popular exchanges after possible insider trading.



aw hell... they're all plummeting.
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TexasRebel
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I got to thinking...

The blockchain is a huge problem for perpetuity. Having a record of every transaction going back to 2009 will be a mess in 2100... even if it's adopted only for huge transactions between banks.

There is a spot for a modification to the blockchain technology to act just like tally sticks or Irish Cheques in the '70s which can be destroyed after redemption.

Essentially making each person their own branch of a central bank. The hurdle that has already been overcome is double-spending.

With this a person could issue a key-pair to another person for payment (valued in dollars) as a promise to pay upon request. The stock-key is kept by the issuer and the foil-key could be traded to the winds with a return address. (Likely) Eventually ending up at an actual bank that would call the debt. In reality anyone could call the debt.

Obviously oversight would be necessary, but it's not much different than physical cash, and solutions wouldn't be nearly as complex.
AggieFrankTX
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Bitcoin ... the emu or Beanie Baby for this decade.
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TexAgs91 said:

If anyone has BitCash, sorry. I think I crashed it.

On the 20th, I saw that it has been rising pretty well. Then I bought some and down it went. Sorry.

 
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