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Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil, says Vatican exorcist
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Last: 19 yr ago by Guadaloop474
Convenient to blame an imaginary bogeyman for the evil crimes men commit. Stalin and Hitler were power mad dictators who driven by their lust for even more power.
Will the Vatican blame the devil for the actions of Thomas Torquemada?????
Will the Vatican blame the devil for the actions of Thomas Torquemada?????
Very possible that he was.
More likely because they were not kept in check they grew mad with power and felt they were free to whatever they chose and eliminated all opposition to maintain their control.
Typical behavior of many dictators seen in history.
Blaming it on the Devil undermines any true understanding about the nature of evil and why men are driven to such behavior.
Typical behavior of many dictators seen in history.
Blaming it on the Devil undermines any true understanding about the nature of evil and why men are driven to such behavior.
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Blaming it on the Devil undermines any true understanding about the nature of evil and why men are driven to such behavior.
Sorry Losman we will have to disagree. I believe that there is evil and good in this world and you know who is behind the former.
After having read Father Amorth's two (short) books detailing his experiences, I believe it 100 precent. He knows what he is talking about.
so was it only Hitler and Stalin?
Were Himmler and Goering and Mussolini good Christians because they weren't "possessed?"
Read history, instead of made up stories.
Stalin defeated Hitler...does that make Stalin good or Hitler bad?
Were Himmler and Goering and Mussolini good Christians because they weren't "possessed?"
Read history, instead of made up stories.
Stalin defeated Hitler...does that make Stalin good or Hitler bad?
The source of Hitler's evil was Hitler. I'll never understand why Christians say man is tainted to begin with but then go looking for an externality when they actually do evil.
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Stalin defeated Hitler...does that make Stalin good or Hitler bad
I suppose you're under the impression that evil can't work to defeat itself. This is a central facet to the Christian understanding of evil. It is the reason why Judas is not good. I've heard the question raised, "Were it not for Judas, who is always assumed to be evil, there would be no crucifixion, which was good. Therefore, Judas was good." It does not follow that because good is brought from evil that there was no evil to begin with. Rather, the devil used Judas as a tool to crucify Christ, but in is foolishness, he did not understand that it would be by this deicide that mankind would be redeemed.
A possible explanation of the Stalin-Hitler event could be, "I've succeeded in destroying the spiritual morale of the west, now I will conquer the west to destroy the east."
TAIM
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"Humane treatment may humanize even one in whom the image of God has long been obscured." - Fyodor Dostoevsky, Chapter VIII of "The House of the Dead"
I'm not sure about the Judas-Hitler connection thing, or quoting Doestoevsky.
Hitler was a political genius and a military novice. Had he not moved against Russia and opened a second front, we might be speaking German today and drinking Spaten.
None of which has anything to do with being possessed, except in your imagination.
Hitler was a political genius and a military novice. Had he not moved against Russia and opened a second front, we might be speaking German today and drinking Spaten.
None of which has anything to do with being possessed, except in your imagination.
The initial question implies this: Does someone have to be possessed/oppressed/etc. by the Devil to conceive and initiate incredible evil?
My answer is.....I don't know, and quite frankly, how can anyone know? We know of Judus because the scripture tells us that he was "entered."
As to others, we have no real way of knowing. However, I suspect, if it's like the evil in our own lives, except on a grander scale(yes, I know that is debatable according to James), then Satan gets much blame or glory for what our own flesh and self-centeredness invents.
When I hear people say things like, "wow, that incredibly evil thought just popped into my head. I bet it was the Devil." I usually think that they don't want to deal with the darkness within their own souls.
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My answer is.....I don't know, and quite frankly, how can anyone know? We know of Judus because the scripture tells us that he was "entered."
As to others, we have no real way of knowing. However, I suspect, if it's like the evil in our own lives, except on a grander scale(yes, I know that is debatable according to James), then Satan gets much blame or glory for what our own flesh and self-centeredness invents.
When I hear people say things like, "wow, that incredibly evil thought just popped into my head. I bet it was the Devil." I usually think that they don't want to deal with the darkness within their own souls.
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I'm not sure about the Judas-Hitler connection thing, or quoting Doestoevsky.
The quote is my signature. It has nothing to do with the post.
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None of which has anything to do with being possessed, except in your imagination.
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The initial question implies this: Does someone have to be possessed/oppressed/etc. by the Devil to conceive and initiate incredible evil?
I am not defending the idea that they were possessed, but I am defending the possibility. Just because they committed evil doesn't imply that they were possessed. The vast majority of people aren't possessed, but still commit evil. "The Devil made me to it" is a lame excuse.
TAIM
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"Humane treatment may humanize even one in whom the image of God has long been obscured." - Fyodor Dostoevsky, Chapter VIII of "The House of the Dead"
Stalin was clinically insane, a diagnosed sczhiophrenic who talked to the people he heard in his head. Plain and simply, he was so paranoid that he killed millions of his own people, nothing more.
Hitler, while likley also not mentally stable, was simply an evil, evil human being who needed to validate his existence by endings others.
I don't believe that satan actually takes over people to the point where he can control their very words and actions, I don't believe a God that preaches free will would allow such a thing.
Hitler, while likley also not mentally stable, was simply an evil, evil human being who needed to validate his existence by endings others.
I don't believe that satan actually takes over people to the point where he can control their very words and actions, I don't believe a God that preaches free will would allow such a thing.
I've never seen anything to the effect of Stalin being insane. What's your source?
Hitler and Stalin may have indeed been influenced by the devil. There doesn't have to be full demonic possession ala Linda Blair. They could have been obsesessed of oppressed, which are lesser afflictions of demonic influence.
Father Amorth knows what he is talking about, as he has performed many exorcisms with many demonic manifestations over the years. After reading the details in his book, I am more convinced than ever that satan and his legions are alive and well on planet earth.
It is biblical, after all, that humans can be possessed by a legion of demons. Jesus spoke to satan in the desert.
Father Amorth knows what he is talking about, as he has performed many exorcisms with many demonic manifestations over the years. After reading the details in his book, I am more convinced than ever that satan and his legions are alive and well on planet earth.
It is biblical, after all, that humans can be possessed by a legion of demons. Jesus spoke to satan in the desert.
Q: For many people, however, these cases of diabolical possession seem rather like Hollywood film stories. It seems that the devil's strategy is to make one believe he does not exist. As an exorcist, do you think this is true?
Father Mendoza Pantoja: In fact, as I see it, Satan uses several strategies to separate us from God.
What the devil is interested in is to confuse us, either by making us believe that he does not exist and that, as he doesn't exist, neither do hell and heaven and so we need not be afraid of being far from God.
Moreover, he manifests himself instead with oppressions and obsessions to torment terribly those who have opened the doors to him, so that they will be afraid of him and not try to close the doors to him and trust him.
This is how we can explain Satanic worship and holy death to obtain power, his favor and protection. Satan is the father of lies and deceit.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/ZCONFUS.HTM
Father Mendoza Pantoja: In fact, as I see it, Satan uses several strategies to separate us from God.
What the devil is interested in is to confuse us, either by making us believe that he does not exist and that, as he doesn't exist, neither do hell and heaven and so we need not be afraid of being far from God.
Moreover, he manifests himself instead with oppressions and obsessions to torment terribly those who have opened the doors to him, so that they will be afraid of him and not try to close the doors to him and trust him.
This is how we can explain Satanic worship and holy death to obtain power, his favor and protection. Satan is the father of lies and deceit.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/ZCONFUS.HTM
Linda Blair was a hoax conchocted by the Catholic Church to scare their followers. It's an urban legend, no more real than Bigfoot or the Lock Ness Monster. Just another in a long line of BS created by the Church throughout history.
Someone doesn't know who Linda Blair is.
The movie the Exorcist was based on a real story. If you choose not to believe it, then remain in your total ignorance.
'The Exorcist': The Story Behind the Movie FR. WILLIAM SAUNDERS
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I was watching the movie "The Exorcist" with some of my friends. Can the devil really possess someone? Does the Church really do exorcisms? I heard that the movie is based on a real story. Is that true?
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Last week, Straight Answers addressed the issues of diabolical possession and exorcism. Concerning both the book and the movie versions, The Exorcist was based on a true account of diabolical possession. One must remember that the book and especially the movie have certain sensational, "hollywoodesque" elements which are purely fictional.
The true story began in January 1949 and involved a 13-year-old boy named Robbie who lived with his parents and grandmother in Mt. Rainier, Maryland. Robbie was very close to his aunt who visited the family frequently from St. Louis, Missouri. She was a medium and attempted to communicate with the spirit world. Not only did she spark Robbie’s interest in this practice, she also taught him how to use the Ouija board.
Strange phenomena began happening on Jan. 10, 1949. The family heard scratching on the walls; however, exterminators found no evidence of pests of any kind. Objects moved by themselves: a table would turn over, a chair would move across the room, a vase would fly through the air, and a picture of Christ would shake. At night, Robbie felt scratching in his bed, and he suffered nightmares frequently.
After the aunt died suddenly on Jan. 26, Robbie continued to use the Ouija board to communicate with her and others. The strange phenomena also continued. Moreover, Robbie’s disposition changed — he become unsettled, agitated, and angry.
In February, his parents took Robbie to visit their Lutheran minister, Rev. Schulze. Being interested in parapsychology, he thought perhaps a poltergeist was tormenting the family. Pastor Schulze allowed Robbie to move into his house for observation for a couple of days. The minister witnessed chairs and other objects moving by themselves. After he saw the bed shake, he moved the mattress to the floor, where it glided along by itself. Pastor Schulze became suspicious of the presence of evil.
Upon Pastor Schulze’s recommendation, the family took Robbie to the Mental Hygiene Clinic of the University of Maryland for testing. After two rounds of testing, nothing abnormal was discovered. Pastor Schulze then advised the family to contact the local Catholic priest.
Robbie and his parents visited Father Hughes of St. James Catholic Church in Mt. Rainier. While interviewing Robbie, Father Hughes saw the telephone and other objects in his office move by themselves. Robbie also cast obscene and blasphemous remarks at him in a strange, diabolical voice. The room became eerily frigid. Father Hughes was convinced that Robbie was possessed. After reviewing the facts of the case and the medical evidence, Cardinal O’Boyle authorized an exorcism.
Robbie was admitted to Georgetown hospital, where Father Hughes began the ritual of exorcism. The boy became violent, with spitting and projectile vomiting. He cast obscenities and blasphemies at Father Hughes. Although restrained to the bed, Robbie broke loose and wrenched out a metal spring with which he slashed Father Hughes from his left shoulder to wrist. The wound required over 100 stitches to close it. Robbie seemed calm after this attack, not remembering the ordeal. He was then released and sent home.
The strange phenomena soon resumed at their home. One night, when Robbie was changing for bed, he screamed. A bloody word had been scratched on his chest, Louis. His mother asked if this meant, "St. Louis," and another bloody word appeared, yes.
Almost immediately, the family journeyed to visit their cousin in St. Louis, Missouri. The same strange phenomena began to happen. The cousin, a student at St. Louis University, talked with one of her priest professors, Father Bishop, S.J., about the situation. Father Bishop then contacted one of his close friends, Father Bowdern, S.J., pastor of St. Francis Xavier Church.
The two priests and a young Jesuit scholastic went to interview Robbie on March 9, 1949. They noticed bloody zig-zig scratches on his chest. They heard scraping sounds. They saw a large bookcase move and turn around by itself and a stool move across the floor. Robbie’s bed would shake as he lay on it. He hurled obscenities and blasphemies at them. The priests knew they were confronting evil.
They petitioned Cardinal Ritter for permission to perform an exorcism. After reviewing all of the evidence including medical and psychiatric exams, he granted permission on March 16.
As the priests began the Rite of Exorcism, Robbie became violent. He made howling and growling noises. The bed shook up and down. On his chest appeared bloody scratches with the words hell and devil, and even an image of Satan. Robbie spit at the priests as he hurled obscenities and blasphemies, with intermittent fiendish laughter.
For his own safety and for the family’s welfare, Robbie was then transferred to the Alexian Brothers Hospital and placed in the psychiatric ward. Father Bowdern, continued to perform the exorcism. With the family’s consent, Robbie was baptized a Catholic. When Father Bowdern tried to give him First Holy Communion, Robbie five times spit out the Sacred Host; they then paused to say the Rosary, and Robbie finally received the Holy Eucharist.
On April 18, Easter Monday, the exorcism came to a climax. As Father Bowdern continued the ritual, the demon recognized the presence of St. Michael the Archangel, and was expelled from Robbie. A sound like a gunshot was heard throughout the hospital. After this whole ordeal, Robbie remembered nothing of the diabolical phenomena, except the vision of St. Michael. Certainly, this story is frightening, but is nevertheless true.
So to answer the reader’s original questions, yes, the devil really can possess someone, and yes, the Church really does exorcisms. Be on guard! Stay away from anything dealing with the occult, including Ouija boards. Use the weapons of the holy arsenal that protect us from evil: pray, attend Mass, receive Holy Communion, live by the commandments and the teachings of the Church, and confess sins frequently. If we rely on this holy arsenal for God’s graces, we have no need to fear: the love of God will always triumph over evil.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Saunders, Rev. William. "The Role of Godparents." Arlington Catholic Herald.
This article is reprinted with permission from Arlington Catholic Herald.
THE AUTHOR
Father William Saunders is dean of the Notre Dame Graduate School of Christendom College and pastor of Our Lady of Hope Parish in Sterling, Virginia. The above article is a "Straight Answers" column he wrote for the Arlington Catholic Herald. Father Saunders is also the author of Straight Answers, a book based on 100 of his columns and published by Cathedral Press in Baltimore.
Copyright © 2003 Arlington Catholic Herald
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I was watching the movie "The Exorcist" with some of my friends. Can the devil really possess someone? Does the Church really do exorcisms? I heard that the movie is based on a real story. Is that true?
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Last week, Straight Answers addressed the issues of diabolical possession and exorcism. Concerning both the book and the movie versions, The Exorcist was based on a true account of diabolical possession. One must remember that the book and especially the movie have certain sensational, "hollywoodesque" elements which are purely fictional.
The true story began in January 1949 and involved a 13-year-old boy named Robbie who lived with his parents and grandmother in Mt. Rainier, Maryland. Robbie was very close to his aunt who visited the family frequently from St. Louis, Missouri. She was a medium and attempted to communicate with the spirit world. Not only did she spark Robbie’s interest in this practice, she also taught him how to use the Ouija board.
Strange phenomena began happening on Jan. 10, 1949. The family heard scratching on the walls; however, exterminators found no evidence of pests of any kind. Objects moved by themselves: a table would turn over, a chair would move across the room, a vase would fly through the air, and a picture of Christ would shake. At night, Robbie felt scratching in his bed, and he suffered nightmares frequently.
After the aunt died suddenly on Jan. 26, Robbie continued to use the Ouija board to communicate with her and others. The strange phenomena also continued. Moreover, Robbie’s disposition changed — he become unsettled, agitated, and angry.
In February, his parents took Robbie to visit their Lutheran minister, Rev. Schulze. Being interested in parapsychology, he thought perhaps a poltergeist was tormenting the family. Pastor Schulze allowed Robbie to move into his house for observation for a couple of days. The minister witnessed chairs and other objects moving by themselves. After he saw the bed shake, he moved the mattress to the floor, where it glided along by itself. Pastor Schulze became suspicious of the presence of evil.
Upon Pastor Schulze’s recommendation, the family took Robbie to the Mental Hygiene Clinic of the University of Maryland for testing. After two rounds of testing, nothing abnormal was discovered. Pastor Schulze then advised the family to contact the local Catholic priest.
Robbie and his parents visited Father Hughes of St. James Catholic Church in Mt. Rainier. While interviewing Robbie, Father Hughes saw the telephone and other objects in his office move by themselves. Robbie also cast obscene and blasphemous remarks at him in a strange, diabolical voice. The room became eerily frigid. Father Hughes was convinced that Robbie was possessed. After reviewing the facts of the case and the medical evidence, Cardinal O’Boyle authorized an exorcism.
Robbie was admitted to Georgetown hospital, where Father Hughes began the ritual of exorcism. The boy became violent, with spitting and projectile vomiting. He cast obscenities and blasphemies at Father Hughes. Although restrained to the bed, Robbie broke loose and wrenched out a metal spring with which he slashed Father Hughes from his left shoulder to wrist. The wound required over 100 stitches to close it. Robbie seemed calm after this attack, not remembering the ordeal. He was then released and sent home.
The strange phenomena soon resumed at their home. One night, when Robbie was changing for bed, he screamed. A bloody word had been scratched on his chest, Louis. His mother asked if this meant, "St. Louis," and another bloody word appeared, yes.
Almost immediately, the family journeyed to visit their cousin in St. Louis, Missouri. The same strange phenomena began to happen. The cousin, a student at St. Louis University, talked with one of her priest professors, Father Bishop, S.J., about the situation. Father Bishop then contacted one of his close friends, Father Bowdern, S.J., pastor of St. Francis Xavier Church.
The two priests and a young Jesuit scholastic went to interview Robbie on March 9, 1949. They noticed bloody zig-zig scratches on his chest. They heard scraping sounds. They saw a large bookcase move and turn around by itself and a stool move across the floor. Robbie’s bed would shake as he lay on it. He hurled obscenities and blasphemies at them. The priests knew they were confronting evil.
They petitioned Cardinal Ritter for permission to perform an exorcism. After reviewing all of the evidence including medical and psychiatric exams, he granted permission on March 16.
As the priests began the Rite of Exorcism, Robbie became violent. He made howling and growling noises. The bed shook up and down. On his chest appeared bloody scratches with the words hell and devil, and even an image of Satan. Robbie spit at the priests as he hurled obscenities and blasphemies, with intermittent fiendish laughter.
For his own safety and for the family’s welfare, Robbie was then transferred to the Alexian Brothers Hospital and placed in the psychiatric ward. Father Bowdern, continued to perform the exorcism. With the family’s consent, Robbie was baptized a Catholic. When Father Bowdern tried to give him First Holy Communion, Robbie five times spit out the Sacred Host; they then paused to say the Rosary, and Robbie finally received the Holy Eucharist.
On April 18, Easter Monday, the exorcism came to a climax. As Father Bowdern continued the ritual, the demon recognized the presence of St. Michael the Archangel, and was expelled from Robbie. A sound like a gunshot was heard throughout the hospital. After this whole ordeal, Robbie remembered nothing of the diabolical phenomena, except the vision of St. Michael. Certainly, this story is frightening, but is nevertheless true.
So to answer the reader’s original questions, yes, the devil really can possess someone, and yes, the Church really does exorcisms. Be on guard! Stay away from anything dealing with the occult, including Ouija boards. Use the weapons of the holy arsenal that protect us from evil: pray, attend Mass, receive Holy Communion, live by the commandments and the teachings of the Church, and confess sins frequently. If we rely on this holy arsenal for God’s graces, we have no need to fear: the love of God will always triumph over evil.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Saunders, Rev. William. "The Role of Godparents." Arlington Catholic Herald.
This article is reprinted with permission from Arlington Catholic Herald.
THE AUTHOR
Father William Saunders is dean of the Notre Dame Graduate School of Christendom College and pastor of Our Lady of Hope Parish in Sterling, Virginia. The above article is a "Straight Answers" column he wrote for the Arlington Catholic Herald. Father Saunders is also the author of Straight Answers, a book based on 100 of his columns and published by Cathedral Press in Baltimore.
Copyright © 2003 Arlington Catholic Herald
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The exorcist is "based" on a true story just like so many other movies are
It's called creative license, and it basically means they change the time, people, and events in the story. The exorcist is a movie a about a disturbed little girl who, in reality, had multiple personality disorder and was THOUGHT to be possesed when she was really just "switching" personalities. The movie took this story and ran with it and turned into a pretty good horror film. However, there is very little truth in the story.
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It's called creative license, and it basically means they change the time, people, and events in the story. The exorcist is a movie a about a disturbed little girl who, in reality, had multiple personality disorder and was THOUGHT to be possesed when she was really just "switching" personalities. The movie took this story and ran with it and turned into a pretty good horror film. However, there is very little truth in the story.
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I wonder if Linda Blair knows that the Catholic Church invented her.
Hostile...though I agree with your point about creative license, some people would argue that multiple personality disorder (now called Dissociative identity disorder) does not exist.
BTW, on the "based on a true story" thing-- The basis for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "Psycho", and Buffalo Bill from "Silence of the Lambs" all stem from the same criminal(Ed Gein)
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BTW, on the "based on a true story" thing-- The basis for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "Psycho", and Buffalo Bill from "Silence of the Lambs" all stem from the same criminal(Ed Gein)
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I would argue that DID (dissociative identity disorder) is seldom diagnosed anymore because it seldom actually exists. I have worked with several clients who claimed to have DID, yet responded well to medications for bipolar disorder and psychotic disorders.
I have some friends who work at Alexian Brothers in Chicago. I will ask them about this "exorcism" that was allowed to take place on their inpatient unit.
In the meantime, today is the anniversary of the Battle of 2nd BullRun in Virginia. I wonder if Lee and Pope were both possessed.
I have some friends who work at Alexian Brothers in Chicago. I will ask them about this "exorcism" that was allowed to take place on their inpatient unit.
In the meantime, today is the anniversary of the Battle of 2nd BullRun in Virginia. I wonder if Lee and Pope were both possessed.
What isn't fiction are the many people who have been killed by misguided people performing exorcisms on people suffering mental disorders.
Here are a few but there are many, many more.....
Terrance Cottrell Jr., an eight-year-old autistic child, died of asphyxiation in 2003 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin during an exorcism carried out by members of the Faith Temple Church of the Apostolic Faith, in an attempt to expel the boy's demons.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=242610
The whispers started in April in the mind of the 23-year-old nun.
In the heart of an Orthodox convent in Romania's impoverished northeast, doctors say, Maricica Irina Cornici believed she heard the devil talking to her, telling her she was sinful.
She was treated for schizophrenia, but when she relapsed, a monk and four nuns tried a different method: exorcism.
Last week, Cornici was bound to a cross, gagged with a towel and left in a dank room at the convent for three days without food where she died of suffocation and dehydration.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/24/world/main704206.shtml
Charity Miranda was suffocated with a plastic bag in 1998 in Sayville, New York by her mother and sister, during a Cuban Voodoo exorcism ritual.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/01-98/01-25-98/a09wn049.htm
In Ontario, 1996, two-year-old Kira Canhoto was killed by her grandmother Ana Maria Canhoto, who force-fed water to the child in order to "ward off evil spirits". (Vancouver Province, 1/11/96)
Anneliese Michel (September 21, 1952 - June 30, 1976) was a German college student who died during an exorcism. Her parents and the two Bavarian priests who carried out the exorcism were later convicted. Her story was turned into a movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel
Here are a few but there are many, many more.....
Terrance Cottrell Jr., an eight-year-old autistic child, died of asphyxiation in 2003 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin during an exorcism carried out by members of the Faith Temple Church of the Apostolic Faith, in an attempt to expel the boy's demons.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=242610
The whispers started in April in the mind of the 23-year-old nun.
In the heart of an Orthodox convent in Romania's impoverished northeast, doctors say, Maricica Irina Cornici believed she heard the devil talking to her, telling her she was sinful.
She was treated for schizophrenia, but when she relapsed, a monk and four nuns tried a different method: exorcism.
Last week, Cornici was bound to a cross, gagged with a towel and left in a dank room at the convent for three days without food where she died of suffocation and dehydration.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/24/world/main704206.shtml
Charity Miranda was suffocated with a plastic bag in 1998 in Sayville, New York by her mother and sister, during a Cuban Voodoo exorcism ritual.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/01-98/01-25-98/a09wn049.htm
In Ontario, 1996, two-year-old Kira Canhoto was killed by her grandmother Ana Maria Canhoto, who force-fed water to the child in order to "ward off evil spirits". (Vancouver Province, 1/11/96)
Anneliese Michel (September 21, 1952 - June 30, 1976) was a German college student who died during an exorcism. Her parents and the two Bavarian priests who carried out the exorcism were later convicted. Her story was turned into a movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel
I have a retired minister friend who is also a licensed psychologist.
He has been called on at least 3 occasions by members of his church to perform an exorcism on a child.
In each case the child was experiencing a form of tourettes syndrome (which is why the child was cursing during church services, aside from maybe having a boring preacher).
www.tourettesyndrome.net
He has been called on at least 3 occasions by members of his church to perform an exorcism on a child.
In each case the child was experiencing a form of tourettes syndrome (which is why the child was cursing during church services, aside from maybe having a boring preacher).
www.tourettesyndrome.net
Texags73,
Interesting that a Lutheran Minister had the forsight to call in a Catholic.
Interesting that a Lutheran Minister had the forsight to call in a Catholic.
Father Amorth writes, as Father Malachi Martin, did, of "perfect possession."
This is the worst form, and what Hitler and Stalin may have done. A total submission of the will (for which the person IS responsible) in exchange for power (personal, or larger forms of power). Likely, they didn't believe in demons or angels, but that's irrelevent. The channel was mysticism, of which Hitler especially was bit into.
This is the worst form, and what Hitler and Stalin may have done. A total submission of the will (for which the person IS responsible) in exchange for power (personal, or larger forms of power). Likely, they didn't believe in demons or angels, but that's irrelevent. The channel was mysticism, of which Hitler especially was bit into.
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"I've seen things like this before," Catholic exorcist Gabriele Amorth told the Italian newspaper Il Messagero. "Demons occupy a house and appear in electrical goods. ... Let's not forget that Satan and his followers have immense powers."
"With cases of demon behavior," the Vatican expert on possession told the Scotsman, "it is normal for domestic appliances to be involved and for demons [to] make their presence known via electricity."
1. External physical pain caused by Satan.
2. Demonic possession.
3. Diabolical oppression.
4. Diabolical obsession.
5. Diabolical infestation.
6. Diabolical subjugation or dependence.
Father Amorth's categories, based in his experience.
2. Demonic possession.
3. Diabolical oppression.
4. Diabolical obsession.
5. Diabolical infestation.
6. Diabolical subjugation or dependence.
Father Amorth's categories, based in his experience.
The Church recognizes symptoms of possession. There is revulsion to the truths and symbols of religion, but this, in itself does not prove possession. It must be accompanied by one or more of the following. These include a stench, a feeling of coldness, telepathic powers involving moral and religious patterns, unusual distortions of the face, unlined skin, poltergeist-like activity, unusual physical heaviness and/or levitations.
The case “The Exorcist” was based on a possession that happened in 1949 and involved a 13-year-old boy whose name is given as “Roland” or “Douglass Deen.” He was exorcized no fewer than twenty times by Jesuit priests, and an Episcopal and Lutheran minister. .
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/paranormal_realm/117393/1
The case “The Exorcist” was based on a possession that happened in 1949 and involved a 13-year-old boy whose name is given as “Roland” or “Douglass Deen.” He was exorcized no fewer than twenty times by Jesuit priests, and an Episcopal and Lutheran minister. .
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/paranormal_realm/117393/1