Inspirational Thoughts & Counsel from a Latter-day Prophet

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ibmagg
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For those of you who watch conference you will hear from, probably for the last time, the almost 96 year old Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I thought some of you might find it interesting as to what kind of counsel a man who is revered and sustained by millions and millions would give to those he presides over.

On Family relationships - "Let us not live a life...that would bring regret...It is not going to matter very much how much money you made, what kind of a house you lived in, what kind of car you drove, the size of your bank account -any of those things. What IS going to matter is that dear woman who has walked with you side by side through all of the years of life and those children and grandchildren and great-grand children and and their faithfulness and their looking to you...with respect and love and deference and kindness...

The only things you will take with you, when all is said and done, are your family relationships...God bless us to be good fathers,..good parents, and good husbands to our good wives." (Pleasant Grove, Utah, Jan. 18, 2003

On honoring your wives -"You men who hold the priesthood of God, honor your wives. Respect them. They are the mothers of your children. When all is said and done, when you have lived your lives and go on to eternity, you will not take 5 cents of wealth that you have accumlated, not five cents! There is only one thing that you can take with you, and that is your eternal soul and the love and companionship of your husband or wife. Live wothty of it!" (meeting, Kingston, Jamica, May 15, 2002).

A Royal Priesthood -"This is the day which Peter foresaw when there should be a royal priesthood upon the earth available to all men who would accept the gospel.

"My dear brethern, do you realize what you have when you have the priesthood of God? You can serve in the governance of this Church. You can hold office. You can administer its affairs. More important even perhaps than that, it carries with it the power and authority to lay hands upon the heads of your family and bless them. Do you know of any group in the world where a father has the right and the privelege and opportunity to lay his hands upon the head of his wife and his children them and bless them in the name of the Lord? What a priceless privelege that is. And I want to say...live worthy of this great blessing". (Meetin, Kiev, Ukraine, Sept. 9/2002)

Couple Missionaries -We now have 5,800 retired men and women serving in a meaningful missionary capacity for this Church throughout the world. The number is growing. They go where they are called. They serve where they are needed. Friendships are established; skills are shared; opportunities are opened for those who will never forget the men and women who have come among them in a spirit of entire unselfishness to teach and do good. They receive no money. They go at their own expense. The measure of their devotion is unlimited. The fruits of their efforts are beyond CALCULATION..

"The great GENIUS of this Church is work. Everybody works. You do not GROW unless you work. Faith, testimony of the truth, is just like the muscle of my arm. If you use it, it grows strong. If you put it in a sling, it grows weak and flabby. We put people to work. We expect great things of them, and the marvelous and wonderful thing is they come through. They produce." (World Affairs Council, L.A., Calif.,June 12, 2002)

An Absolute Miracle -"I have seen what I regard as an absolute miracle as I have seen this great work move forward...You may think it a very commonplace thing. I regard it as an absolute miracle, my brothers and sisters, this little stone cut out of the mountain without hands and which is destined to roll forth and fill the whole earth. We have seen ONLY the beginning...I am satisfied that this work will go on and touch the lives of millions and millions of people across the world. And the God of heaven, whose Church this is, will open the way to make it all possible if you and I and the members of this Church, wherever they may be, will do our part in assisting with this process." (regional conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, may 5, 2002)



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Liam
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Good message, ibmagg. We're not supposed to have favorites when it comes to Prophets, I guess, but President Hinckley is definitely one of mine.
three and out
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We're not supposed to have favorites when it comes to Prophets, I guess, but President Hinckley is definitely one of mine.


I think its okay. I particularly like Isaiah. And in what most protestants consider the NT definition of "prophet," I am a huge fan of Paul's.
ibmagg
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Three & out -I am amazed that we agree on both. They are mine also from the Old & New Testament. I hope you get to see President Hinkley. He completely captivated Mile Wallace & Larry King -two hard bitten, skeptics. With President Hinkley, you get to see, hear, read, etc. and you just are able to come quite close to him. "Love" is not an over statement!

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Fightin TX Aggie
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Seems like a nice guy.

Definitely not a prophet of the most high God.
ibmagg
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Fightin Txaggie -as one of my managers at IBM once told us- "withhold evaluation until your comprehension is complete". It is still very sound advice!

P.S. And if you thought he was at this point and time, we should be arranging your baptismal date.

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Fightin TX Aggie
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If he is a prophet who has been handed all the keys, etc., why does he not finish the "translation" of the Book of Jacob?

I would note that I have already been baptized. I am a Christian. I love my savior Jesus Christ, and I love you as well, ibmagg.

The Holy Spirit is in me and brings me indescribable joy.
three and out
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ibmagg-

I actually would be interested in watching this, even if just to get a more firm grasp on LDS teachings. But I do not have satellite and today just happens to be the anniversary of the day I was born (aka birthday) so my schedule is full for the weekend. If you are able to tape it, I would pay S&H for you to send it to me. If you still have my email address, let me know. If not, I'll email you tomorrow.
ibmagg
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3&Out -Consider it done. If you can get loose Sat. nite, find a LDS Chapel as close to you as possible and go the priesthood session Sat. nite from 7-9:00 PM. That is ONLY shown on the closed circuit satellite that the Church owns. It will be unlike anything you have attended and you will feel a spirit there that you will have not felt before!

Fightin Txaggie -can you handle even MORE joy and peace? Jacob is not ready to be translated yet. The Lord has his own time table. There are also many more records that will be revealed and translated.
Fightin TX Aggie
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can you handle even MORE joy and peace?
Can you??

If you accept Jesus into your heart along with His grace and reject false prophets, you will find something you never knew possible!
ibmagg
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Fightin TxAggie -You forget my friend, I WAS where you ARE now. I have seen and experienced both. Black & white TV is good, but HDT Color is much better!
Hank Hill
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

IBMagg, I must admit I laughed out loud at that last one.

Rab, So far you have done nothing but convince yourself.

All I see is your words telling me that Prophets aren't needed, no scriptural reference just you saying that the scriptures I quoted don't say specifically that Prophets would continue.

Well what about Apostles? Were they supposed to continue? Evidence clearly shows they were. What happened when Judas Iscarot died? He was replaced. What Happened when James died, he was replaced in the same manner.

If the Apostles were to just die off then why replace them with new ones, Paul was not one of the original 12.

You see the problem with saying that Prophets were no longer needed was Apostles and Prophets are essentially the same thing.

And according to the scripture I quoted from Ephisians both were given for the:
Perfecting of the Saints
Work of the Ministry
Edifying of the body of Christ (the Church)
Til we all come to a unity of the faith

He also gave Evangilist Pastors and teachers.
but I guess those were no longer needed as well. So why does the Catholic church has some but not the most important?

BTW the doctrine of the trinity came about over 300 years after the last Apostle died, So you are telling me that the Holy Ghost lead the Catholic Church for 300 years and they con't agree on who God was during that time? We have enough writings to verify that they didn't agree that was the whole reason the conference was held.

Fightin TX Aggie
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ibmagg, I love you, but you have obviously never been where I am! If you had, you would have known a peace that exceeds all understanding!
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The sorrows of those will increase
who run after other gods.

Psalm 16:4
I hope one day you will find out more about this Truth!

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ibmagg
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I respectfully wish the same for you and believe me, 6 college hrs. at the Baptist Student Union at A&M (taught by a reallly good guy-Dr. Arthur Smith) and with what I thought was a personal acceptance of Jesus as my Saviour is not even close to what is out there. I will give you a challenge. Bring all the good that you have found in "your" gospel and see if even more good can be added to it, that results in an even deeper and richer life -an eternal perspective on life that is not possible before. Over 12 million have and about 75% of these came from other christian denominations. Don't forget to watch a session or two, or all of Conference today and tomorrow. Remember -VCRs.
AgGermany
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1830, 1800 years after Christ proved who he says he was, Mr. Smith finds some more scripture, but no originals mind you it came to him "differently". The BOM was published in 1830 or so, written in King James revised English, amazing. Amazing so many people are duped, duping people takes a LOT of work.

The work of millions of hard working Mormons deceiving unsound denominationalists. Fairy tales are appealing especially when mixed with some of the Gospel of Christ.

Amazing there were no Mormons until the Gospel of Smith. I am sure his Father is pleased.
three and out
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How come this part os only shown on the closed-circuit network? Is this the "secret stuff" to which y'all were referring. Honest question. I guess I just ask because it seems as if you would want to get the message out to as many people as possible. I cannot make it to the LDS church because I have duties at my own church on Saturday nights. Does this mean that I will not be able to get a recording of this 2 hr part? Can I request one from the local church?

On a side note, I think I have been inside a Mormon church only once in my life. I was in high school and we played some basketball. I showed those Mormons what a big tall Baptist could do. In the words of the Rivalries board, they were Baptist-wn3d! I do not want to let this paragraph take away from the first but I thought I'd just mention that I have SCOREBOARD (another common Rivalries theme).
bizag
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Three and Out,

It is because it is for Priesthood members, just like Relief Society meetings are for Relief Society members. IBMAGG was calling "secret" in jest. If you want to know what happens you can read about it in The Ensign (church magaizine), by the way you can watch conference at 11 and 3 on your computer both days. Go to www.byu.tv I am watching it online right now. You might have to wait to get the signal because of heavy traffic.
Guitarsoup
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I dont understand why things for a church are needed to be done in secret.
Hank Hill
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agGermany,

You have no idea what you are talking about. The Book of Mormon is the History of God's dealings with the people on the American Continent.

Unique doctrine found only in the Book of Mormon

1. Some ancient descendants are of the house of Israel
2. Jesus Christ visits the American Continent
3. Purpose of the Fall of man
4. Purpose of the resurrection
5. Insight into when War is justified and when it is not.
6. Why the righteous suffer
7. How faith can grow
8. The allegory of the tame and wild olive tree
9. The divine purpose and destiny of the American continent
10. How one can know for themselves what truth is?
11. Abomination of the baptism of infants.

I could probably multiply my list 4 or 5 times but I don't have time to fully research it. This list proves my point that there are many Words which had has for us.

If you have a problem with King James English, it is only yours. It could be written in Ebonics and still the message would be the same and just as divine in its purpose. It is the Word of God.
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1. Some ancient descendants are of the house of Israel

Which contradicts ALL DNA evidence, and there is ZERO evidence.

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2. Jesus Christ visits the American Continent

OF which there is NO evidence.

three and out
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bizag,

Thanks for the link. I must admit, though, that it would not have my full attention if I were to watch right now. I think ibmagg will be sending me the tapes so I can watch them at my own pace and give them careful consideration.
El Sid
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It is the word of Joseph Smith. It definitely has nothing to do with history, and it is blasphemy before God. Why do we keep getting these threads started by Mormons? Where are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Branch Davidians? Can't we devote some space to the other misled faiths?
Hank Hill
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Guitarsoup,

If it is hard to understand you should reread the difference between sacred and secret in your scripture.

There were many times in the scriptures that Christ told things to the disciples that they were forbidden from speaking to anyone else.

Jews today have no idea what ceremonies went on in the temple because they were so sacred that they didn't have any oral history to revert to when the temple was destroyed. They don't even know if there is or ever was a written documentation of that ceremony. When asked why they simply answered it was too sacred to be spoken outside the temple and much to sacred to write down for anyone outside the temple to read.


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El Sid
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Really, though, long underwear with masonic symbolism is not sacred. It is secret.
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Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were full Masons. Most of the temple ceremonies in the LDS Religion comes from masonary ceremonies. These include the temple clothes, the fig-leaf aprons worn by the patrons and the temple worker who plays the part of Satan (who has a special apron), the Five Points Of Fellowship, the Tokens, the Signs and the secret "Handshakes".
Everything you ever wanted to know about Mormon temple ceremonies:

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_templeceremonies.html

Guitarsoup
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Hank - and when Jesus died, the curtain was torn and those secret ceremonies were no longer needed because of Jesus.
ibmagg
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Soup-the Temple was no longer "his father's hourse" but as later in the scriptures, Christ refers to it as "their" house. It was no longer his Father's house. They were unworthy to have his house amongst their midst!
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If it is hard to understand you should reread the difference between sacred and secret in your scripture.
Where do see in scripture (or anywhere else) weddings that are held in 'secret'. It is interesting that only mormons can attend weddings in the temple, but yet Jesus performed his first miracle at a public wedding.

If his first miracle isn't an endorsement for a public wedding, I don't know what is. (Plus its an endorsement for wine).
Hank Hill
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The tear in the vale had nothing to do with secrets, it was the Jesus bridging the gap between mortality and immortality and more specifically tearing the vale between the living and the dead.

No offense but one of the big weaknesses in Protestantism is thier ignorance of Judism.
ibmagg
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"Secrets" -I can tell I have to be really careful when I jest. Not only can you read the talks given in Priesthood on the LDS website, you can GO to the session as I invited all of you. There are no IDs, etc. President Hinkley spoke tonight and every one witnessed a miracle. He spoke with the vigor of a man in his 60s and not just out of the hospital with cancer surgery. Amazing, amazing man to be almost 96. Great uplifing messages and great counsel!
three and out
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(Plus its an endorsement for wine)


Here is something I posted on another thread about a week ago. Not saying I come to the exact conclusion that this argues but my background is in the Baptist church. Oh, and didn't mean to hijack the thread. Sorry.

The word "wine" is mentioned 231 times in the King James Bible. In the Old Testament there are 3 Hebrew words that are all translated as “wine”.


YAYIN: Intoxicating, fermented wine (Genesis 9:21).

TIROSH: Fresh grape juice (Proverbs 3:10).

SHAKAR: Intoxicating, intensely alcoholic, strong drink (often referred to other intoxicants than wine) (Numbers 28:7).


The New Testament, translated from Greek, uses the word “wine” for both fermented and unfermented drink. There are 2 Greek words for wine the New Testament. Note that in John 2, the greek word used is "oinos."



OINOS: Wine (generic) - Matthew 9:17 -- unfermented, Ephesians 5:18 -- fermented.

GLEUKOS: Sweet wine, fresh juice (Acts 2:13).


The context reveals the type of wine as in Proverbs 20:1, ”Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise”. If grape juice is substituted for the word wine, the verse doesn't make sense.


The Bible is full of prohibitions about using alcoholic wine. It was forbidden for priests and for those who took the Nazarite vow. It was forbidden for kings and princes (Proverbs 31:4-6) and pronounced woe upon anyone who provided his neighbor alcoholic wine and made him drunk (Habakkuk 2:15). It would be inconsistent for the Bible to speak against alcoholic wine and then have Jesus ignore it.
three and out
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ibmagg- I think he is referring to the acts in the temple as "secrets." At least, that's what I gather from reading the site he linked.
RAB91
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three and out - There's a topic about this from about 6-8 weeks ago, but if you want to talk context, here's the verses about that miracle.
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Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece. 7 Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it. 9 And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom, 10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.
The last part clearly clues us into the context. When drinking alcoholic drinks, you drink the best stuff first. The lesser stuff you save till later when your senses are not what they were in the beginning.
three and out
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I'm not saying that I am necessarily arguing FOR the position that it was not wine, but many things make me think. If you acvtually look at the amount of wine that Jesus filled the vessels with, it is a considerable amount. And this is after the same amount of wine had already run out. I know that this is a large party but even so, the math adds up to alot of wine. This would mean that each guest would have had to consume a large amount of alcohol. If Scripture is so clear in the prohibitions of drunkenness, it seems odd that Christ himself would facilitate the process for the guests.

I do not choose to indulge in alcohol. I know that it could cause my "brother to stumble" so I choose to not partake in it. I must note that I minister to Youth, thus making it an even bigger issue that I do not do so. I am saying this to say that I don't know what to interpret from the wine story, but why do so if it could cause others to stumble. We are called to live our lives "above reproach." I figure why give non-believers even more reason (even if irrational) to claim that Christians are hypocrites?
RAB91
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1. We have no idea how many people are at the wedding.
2. Nothing is implying that they will drink to excess.

I have no problem if somebody doesn't want to drink, but if Jesus drank wine I see no problem in drinking in moderation.

....but back to the topic. I wonder if the wedding guests at Jesus' first miracle had to present this to attend??...


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bizag
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Rab91,

I don't think anyone has said you are "evil" for drinking in moderation. You brought it up. Many people will never have a problem with drinking alcohol in moderation. Still, my view is why tempt fate. Alcoholism has been a problem in my family and I see a sibling that is currently having problems with alcohol. I believe these are good words of wisdom. By the same token I don't judge you in your choice to drink alcohol in moderation. Teetotalers are more common than you would think. Here is an article that appeared in the Wall Street Journal on December 31, 2005 by Kevin Helliker:

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Nearly half of Americans say they don't or barely drink. Yet socially, nondrinkers are still treated as troubled anomalies. Our very sober correspondent on teetotaling his way through the holidays.]

THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE officer flew across the country to take us -- the staff of his newest magazine -- to dinner. As he perused the wine list at a fancy Phoenix restaurant, we eagerly awaited his thoughts about our work.

When he finally spoke, it wasn't about the magazine. It was about my wine glass. He wondered why I'd turned it upside down. When I said I didn't drink, he became visibly indignant. "Not even wine?" he asked. "How can you not drink wine?" As he proceeded to lecture me on its virtues, I decided I wasn't long for his company.

In the 18 years and two job changes since my abstinence baffled that big shot, not drinking has become more acceptable in America. Yet an education gap exists in America about teetotalers, beginning with the most fundamental fact about us: We don't drink. Oh, sure, people understand that usually we don't. But they think we make exceptions. What about wine? What about when a toast is called for? What about New Year's Eve? For the large majority of us, the answer is always no. And for 100% of us, no never means maybe or please try changing our minds.

This education gap wouldn't matter much if teetotalers were as rare as they're perceived to be. When light drinkers -- those who consume 12 or fewer drinks a year -- are combined with nondrinkers, they represent nearly 49% of the U.S. population, according to a National Institutes of Health press release last year.

Yet in a nation that prides itself on tolerance, teetotalers sometimes face pressure to drink. It can happen in any situation, but no day of the year poses more difficulty than New Year's Eve, whose icon is the champagne glass. During the early years of my sobriety, when I was young and acutely self-conscious about my abstinence, I dreaded New Year's Eve. I hated the excitement that began building days beforehand, prompting some acquaintances to ask what liquor I intended to drink that night, and how much. I knew that if I drank any alcohol at all, I would drink more of it than anybody. But I didn't know how to say that, so I merely stammered something about Diet Coke, and worried that this response must sound pathetic.

The passage of years increased my confidence about not drinking and also placed me in an older crowd that was less obsessed with partying. I began skipping New Year's Eve parties in order to go to bed early and greet the New Year at dawn instead of midnight. Jogging in the early morning light, I would traverse streets littered with empty bottles and the detritus of emptied stomachs, and I would feel spared, knowing that some former drinkers likely lost their sobriety during the night.

Once a powerful-enough force to bring about Prohibition, teetotalers faded into near-obscurity following that debacle, their presence visible only in regions dominated by abstention-promoting religions. As Hollywood increasingly portrayed the quintessential American as cocktail-sipping (or beer-guzzling), the nondrinker came to be regarded as a peculiarity. Having nothing to sell him, marketers didn't bother tracking his numbers.

Some researchers have, however, and teetotalers turn out to be a much larger group than nearly anyone realized. About 35% of Americans in telephone polls call themselves non drinkers. Adjusting for the fact -- well established in drinking research -- that people underestimate their alcohol consumption, the polls still suggest that one in four Americans over 18 doesn't drink. That percentage, having edged upward for 20 years, is expected to rise even higher as baby boomers enter their 60s, since drinking rates decline with age.

The prevalence of nondrinkers isn't unknown to industry, as evidenced by the introduction in recent years of sparkling ciders, fizzy juices and nonalcoholic beers. The same restaurants that used to rush me through my meal the instant I ordered diet soda instead of wine now bring me the dessert menu unbidden. Meanwhile, Starbucks has built a $6.5 billion-a-year empire selling nonalcoholic beverages out of shops that increasingly keep tavern hours. But culturally, the impression persists that teetotalers are isolated and troubled anomalies.

Ignorance about the prevalence of abstention helps explain why teetotalers across America will walk into parties stocked with every imaginable alcoholic option -- yet barren of anything more imaginative in the way of nonalcoholic options than diet soda and an orange juice carton long past its sell-by date.

As a veteran of many sober New Year's Eves, I value the party host who provides all manner of alcoholic and nonalcoholic options and who makes all choices available to everyone. After all, a guest famous for his love of martinis may quietly want to sip soda tonight, while a host who offers me only soft stuff is unnecessarily broadcasting my personal business to the room. And please don't assume that alcohol is a sensitive issue around me. I like being around drinkers, especially when the topic turns to booze, and I have better stories to share than most drinkers do.

The list of beverage possibilities for nondrinkers includes juices, bottled water, fizzy water and lime, sodas, nonalcoholic beers, coffee, tea, milk and hot chocolate. The ultimate treat for the nondrinker and drinker alike is when a bartender doubles as a barista making lattes and other Starbucks-type drinks.

This problem is only worsening as wine gains market share and popularity. Sophistication in America is increasingly measured by knowledge and appreciation of wine, especially in highly educated circles (drinking rates in America, in fact, rise with education). Add the growing number of medical studies showing an association between moderate alcohol consumption and cardiovascular health, and the teetotaler can be made to look idiotic.

"Don't you know that a drink a day is good for you?" my best- educated uncle used to ask when I declined his offer of a drink. Out of respect, I didn't point out the devastation that alcohol had wrought upon certain other members of our family.

To avoid such confrontations, nondrinkers are often advised to remain in disguise. Never mind that other minority groups these days are encouraged to proclaim their rights. In drinking situations, nondrinkers are often advised to say they drank too much last night, invent a morning duty that will require total alertness -- or accept a glass of wine and leave it undrunk (or tossed into a flower pot). "So long as you raise your glass to your lips from time to time," no one will notice you're not actually drinking it, said a 2002 Atlantic Monthly advice column to teetotalers.

Teetotalers could unite, of course. But the problem is that they're a disparate bunch. Many don't drink for religious reasons, others for reasons of health (a medication, for instance, that is contraindicated with alcohol). Some people simply don't like the taste of alcohol. Others tried it and ran into trouble.

Collectively, these nondrinkers barely know about each other's existence. "The trouble for teetotalers is that they don't know how numerous they are," says David J. Hanson, a professor emeritus at the State University of New York who runs a popular Web site called Alcohol: Problems & Solutions.





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