One of my favorite protestant preachers I watch is Jesse Duplantis...What's your opinion ?

http://www.jdm.org/

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac12.htm

Jesse is a very charismatic speaker, however, his theology is almost unintelligible. I think he just makes it up as he goes.

How can we reach more nations for Jesus?

The Citation X

http://www.jdm.org/projects/citationX.htm

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In order to do this, God has told us to believe Him for a Citation X (10), an $18 million corporate jet with the speed and fuel capacity to fly anywhere in the world.

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I don't remember the Apostle Paul having a jet.

nor do I remember Paul being on tv. Does that make it wrong?

Not saying I like this guy, but that is a little bit of apples to oranges.

He's a fraud just like 99% of them on TV.

Likes:
1. He entertains as much as he preaches. I know that many people see this as a minus, butI don't think that the gospel always has to be spoken as if one is either at a funeral or in a rain storm and must shout at the top of one's lungs.

dislikes:
1. His theology is wacked. He does preach the Word, and when he stays away from the prosperity doctrine and stays with basic biblical issues, he is OK, but when he tells me that it is God's will for me to be rich like him, we part company. Don't get me wrong. I am not a monk; I like money and wouldn't mind having more, but to see God as a celestrial investment broker is a bit much for me.
2. This is another aspect of his theology. He establishes doctrine by experience. He claims to have gone to heaven and seen Jesus, the Father, Abraham, King David, and others. He personally describes the physical characteristics of some of the people. God also told him some things to tell us. IMO either he is lying, he is completely insane, or he is an incredible liar, or possibly a combination of the above. But, I will not establish doctrine by dreams or subjective experiences, nor let others do that for, or to, me.

If he was the only source of you breakdown of the Word of God, you would be in dangerous waters.

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"Popcorn...popcorn coming out of the steering wheel". I just remember hearing some story of his about a dream - maybe he hallucinates.

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nor do I remember Paul being on tv. Does that make it wrong?

Not saying I like this guy, but that is a little bit of apples to oranges.

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I didn't say having a jet was wrong either. However, my point in pointing out Paul never had a jet was that preaching the Gospel does not require Jesse to have a jet. It is a luxury, not a necessity.

Does the Rev. Billy Graham use commercial airliners?

This is not about an airplane… Did you read the guys quotes in the link I posted? His theology is wacky. Your biggest problem Texasag73 is your implicit faith. You place too much trust right in the person, and there appears to be no discernment of the spirit of the teachings. Be like a child in your faith in God, but be wise in your view of man. We are called to mature in our understanding of the Word of God, so the personal study of it, and even the taking of all thoughts and ideas captive underneath it is what we are called to do. The Word is the rule of faith, and the Spirit is our guide who teaches and agrees with the Word. The church (and those called to the office of teacher, preacher) has the authority, and responsibility to preach the Word, but when they go beyond into private spirits and interpretations as Jesse does, or as Rome does with her extra biblical doctrines, then they have placed themselves beyond and above the Word it’s self. Rome has spent many words, and had conditioned those under it to accept and look to it’s authority as the boundaries, and rule of faith and truth, and this is why you are so easily sucked in under this mans bad doctrine.

Notafraid - I said he was a favorite I watched. I never said I listened to, or agreed with, his theology.

There's no place like Rome!!

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Notafraid - I said he was a favorite I watched. I never said I listened to, or agreed with, his theology.

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So, you like to watch bad theologians that you don't agree with for entertainment?

Why not get a “favorite” Protestant Preacher that sticks to Christian orthodoxy? Try the RC Sproul radio links under the “What is Reformed Theology” thread. Many RCs I have known listen to and like him.

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There's no place like Rome!!

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LOL!



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Who is he, and is he on TV?

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Who is he, and is he on TV?

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No, Well he is sometimes with D James Kennedy... He mostly writes books, and has a radio program...

http://www.ligonier.org/radio/archive.php

Right now, if you listen to the "What is Reformed Theology" programs, you will learn a lot of stuff consistent with Augustine's teachings, and with the Council of Orange, only it's Protestantism.

I agree with a lot of protestantism, it's just that y'all leave a lot of stuff out...

I think he is a great man and a apostle for Christ. I have studied the Bible for many years but more importantly the Holy Spirit lives within me and my Spirit has never quivered from anything he has said or supported. In fact it has been moved.

The man is trying to Spread the Gospel and touch people.

If and by chance if he was full of crap and his interest were in the wrong things, many people are being led by him through the spirit and that is more than a lot of us are doing for the kingdom.

I praise God for tv even though I do think the money has gotten many of them corrupted. Regardless of the fact, the Gospel is spread all over the world and that is not cheap. That is a true blessing, we should support that not hinder it. Regardless if you disagree with many of certain people's theology, you should pray for their wisdom and conviction because many people are listening to them across the globe.

With that, I truly believe Jesse is a Man after God's heart and I think he is has a wonderful message.

Daddy,

Did you read this?

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac12.htm

To all, I suggest you read a classic book called THE SUDUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY by David Hunt. He is obviously ax-grinding, and I think that he makes a touchdown and then oftentimes runs another block or so, but, all in all, he does a great job of exposing much of the herasy that has crept into protestant theology, most of it throught the neo-penticostal and charasmatic circles. And Jesse is a major charasmatic leader.

For those of you who think I am bashing charasmatics, I be one. But, just because I am one doesn't mean I think that all of our doctrine is pure.

To add to that, is a great book by Hank Hanegraaff called "Counterfeit Revival".

Daddy, not trying to pick on you, but how can anyone read what Notafraid posted and think this man is remotely doing "the will of God"?

And don't forget about the Reverend Joel Osteen...


Lakewood Church, with about 30,000 members, spent $95 million to renovate the former Compaq Center, once the Houston Rockets' home court.



Preacher or Dr. Phil?

Lakewood's been around a long time, both in Houston and on television, so even before the recent, dramatic opening of this newest behemoth church, many Texans were familiar with Lakewood's history.
John Osteen founded the congregation in 1959, holding services in a feed store until a burgeoning membership forced several moves to accommodate a growing church family.

His son Joel dropped out of Oral Roberts University in the early 1980s to create and produce a Lakewood television program that beamed his dad to thousands of TV screens across the nation.

After John's death in 1999, Joel decided to take the pulpit because he felt called by God to continue the family's ministry. Joel's wife, Victoria; his mother, Dodie; and brother Paul all now hold positions in the church administration.

In many households far, far away from Houston, Joel Osteen has evolved into the beloved, larger-than-life figure his dad once was. Each Sunday, millions tune in to his services, listening ravenously to his cheerful, optimistic messages.

He's on this month's cover of Texas Monthly, grinning and holding the Bible he's accused of not using in his sermons.

"We are victors, not victims," Osteen is fond of saying. And millions believe him.

But many despise the 42-year-old pastor's approach to ministry. They say he's abandoned the gospel in favor of feel-good, positive-thinking therapy sessions. He didn't study to be a minister, they say. He has no training. And where, they ask indignantly, is Jesus in his upbeat delivery?

"Sorry, not a fan of Osteen," ranted one member of an online message board during a recent debate over Lakewood's new, mammoth accommodations.

"His sermons are ridiculous and utterly Christless. His view of the sacraments is laughable (if I don't start crying, that is) and his pastoral care shows that he is little more than a smiling, waving CEO of the largest congregation in America. Now he just has a larger venue."

Balmer puts it this way: "Chances are, you're not going to draw huge crowds with a very dark and censorious message. Osteen is relentlessly sunny and positive. Self-help is very popular. It has a real appeal to the masses, and in some ways, it's kind of akin to the latest diet book: Somebody has a new formula and people kind of glom onto that."

Someone said it well when they described Joel Osteen as the "Prosperity Gospel Coverboy".

Jesse, is at least loosly biblical(when he stays away from prosperity or his personal excersions to Heaven) Joel is more of a motivational, let's all have a dream and let God fufill it, speaker, who tries very hard not to take a contraversial stance, and make everyone feel better about themselves.


What they both have in common is that they are filthy rich off the donations of Christians who think that giving to them will help them personally get a miracle or blessing from God.

By the way, if you send $50 to the "Lone Stranger" evangelistic association, I will personally pray God's blessings on your life. For $1000, I will pray my ass of for you.

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What they both have in common is that they are filthy rich off the donations of Christians

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To be fair, I have read that Joel Osteen made most of his wealth in Real Estate before he became Pastor of Lakewood. I have no clue how much salary he draws now. I'm sure he makes a lot off of book sales as well, which I have no problem with.

"Lone Stranger" evangilistic association?

No takers?

I feel better now knowing that Joel Osteen flunked out of divinity school, because I find VERY little Jesus in his "sermons"... When he started talking about the Victoria's Secret stuff his wife wears, I nearly fell out of my chair. Can't imagine my married Catholic priest (former Anglican priest) saying that about his wife, EVER !!

I thought it was just me, but evidently a lot of people see him more as a Sunday Dr. Phil rather than another Dr. Billy Graham, who is a real preacher of the Gospel.

Of all the sermons I have heard of him, I have not heard him preach the Gospel once. Even the "motto" of the church is unbiblical. "Discover the Champion in you". This is a stark contrdiction to the biblical doctrine of original sin, and the total depravity. There is no "Champion" in sinful man. Only by Christ conforming us to his image do we develop a "Champion" within.

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For $1000, I will pray my ass of for you.

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Does the "personally annointed prayer cloth" come with that?

For 1K I will throw in a whole sheet and you can cut it up any ole way you want, my child.

LOL!!

You better be careful, you're gonna log on one day and find yourself in one of those "farting preacher" videos!

I have one of Robert Tilton, and it's a riot. Have you ever wondered why charasmatics, when they really seem to "get into worship," so frequently look like they are constipated?

Watch TBN with the sound off or low; you will see what I mean. It's a hoot!

It is amazing to me that it is ok to give countless dollars to the world and all of a sudden it is wrong to give into God's church. The Bible is very clear about doing no harm to His prophets and laying no hand upon My anointed...There is no poverty in Heaven...the streets are of pure gold...pavement...poverty exsist here on earth so other MEN can control other men. Yet we buy into this system everyday regardless of the crooked. None of you quit using power because of Enron did you?

Let one preacher mess up and everyone uses that as the ultimate excuse to quit church. Christianity is not religion. It is a one on one personal relationship with Jesus. You read and study the Bible so you are not deceived. Unless you know the truth, you will not be able to discern truth from lie. The mind of man will never be able to discern the Mind of Christ...it is foolishness to man.

I love Brother Jesse, don't always agree with Him but he ain't had anyone fly into any buildings killing innocent people in the name of god (small g god). Jesus said "if they aren't against us, they are for us" God choose Jesse just like He choose you. Jesus went to the cross so we can be heirs in God's kingdom. Jesus became poor so we might become rich. That is in all things...not just money. But, to the born again believer who accepts Jesus has their Lord and Savior, in heaven a mansion awaits you...not a shack...no debt...paid for...

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Preach it oklacityag75.