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As vile as it is, I think we should not give it any oxygen. People that do stuff like this will have to answer for it. There's nothing we can do that will "argue" them away from thinking what they think. Pray for them and turn them over to God. Jesus will ask them to account for how they dealt with his mother.

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Sorry, but these statues have nothing to do with Mary. The real Mary that's in heaven. This is just a piece of pottery.

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I get it. But even as a person that isn't that religious, thinks most of stuff religion does it hokey worthy of ridicule….this makes my face crinkle up. Deep down I know it's not cool and if I think it's not cool that really speaks volumes to a religious figure condoning it.

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This is a very good post. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I wonder if those who are indifferent to the desecration of statues of the Blessed Virgin Mary would be equally sanguine about desecration of the book we call the Bible?

The physical books are just tangible vessels of what really matters, which is the message and teachings contained in those books that make up the "Bible." Seems one could make a case that veneration of the physical book containing the inspired "Word" is a form of bibliodolitry.

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I can't really disagree with this. I do think it's a little different but I always say it's just paper and ink. It's the words that are sacred. That's why I'm a huge fan of note taking in and marking up my Bible. I've seen people act in a way with the Bible where I've thought "Don't idolize the paper and ink".

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BrazosDog02 said:

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lobopride said:

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As vile as it is, I think we should not give it any oxygen. People that do stuff like this will have to answer for it. There's nothing we can do that will "argue" them away from thinking what they think. Pray for them and turn them over to God. Jesus will ask them to account for how they dealt with his mother.

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Sorry, but these statues have nothing to do with Mary. The real Mary that's in heaven. This is just a piece of pottery.

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I get it. But even as a person that isn't that religious, thinks most of stuff religion does it hokey worthy of ridicule….this makes my face crinkle up. Deep down I know it's not cool and if I think it's not cool that really speaks volumes to a religious figure condoning it.

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This is a very good post. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I wonder if those who are indifferent to the desecration of statues of the Blessed Virgin Mary would be equally sanguine about desecration of the book we call the Bible?

The physical books are just tangible vessels of what really matters, which is the message and teachings contained in those books that make up the "Bible." Seems one could make a case that veneration of the physical book containing the inspired "Word" is a form of bibliodolitry.

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I can't really disagree with this. I do think it's a little different but I always say it's just paper and ink. It's the words that are sacred. That's why I'm a huge fan of note taking in and marking up my Bible. I've seen people act in a way with the Bible where I've thought "Don't idolize the paper and ink".

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An honest person!

I'm just glad we don't have the original copies of Paul's letters. People would worship them like idols.

Quote:

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Baptist Pastor teaches kids to smash Catholic Statues

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Thoughts:

• I think the pastor is wrong for encouraging kids to destroy public property.
• There's a ton of idolatry in the world in various forms.
• What does the old testament and new testament teach about what idols and graven images are?
• What is God's view of these things?
  
  
  3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
  4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

• Is Catholic doctrine consistent with the Biblical text?
  

"The honor paid to sacred images is a 'respectful veneration,' not the adoration due to God alone... Whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it" (CCC 2132).


Israel needed to have their eyes open that they had idols and that they distracted them from fully worshipping God on His terms and not their own. The correct celebrated act is when people destroy their own idols.

2 Chronicles 31:1
Now when all this was finished, all Israel who were present went out to the cities of Judah, broke the pillars in pieces, cut down the Asherim and pulled down the high places and the altars throughout all Judah and Benjamin, as well as in Ephraim and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the sons of Israel returned to their cities, each to his possession.

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I am not a penal substitutionary atonement guy. Christus Victor is my belief. I do not think God the Father punished Christ. And I promise that is my last exchange with you.

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derm, I love your posts, your love for Jesus and your wisdom, but I have seen from the sidelines that you bring in things like Calvinism, or say things like I'm not a "substitutionary atonement" guy, or "Christus Victor" is my belief, etc etc. It's always something I've never heard of. What does all that even mean? haha

As someone who was born again just a few years ago, I sometimes wonder if we're making things more complicated than they need to be.

Shouldn't our starting point always be God's Word? Scripture tells us we're saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. That's the gospel, and there's no other way.

I think sometimes we can get so caught up in theological labels and debates that we lose sight of what Scripture is actually teaching.

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I hope and believe no one ends up in hell.

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I hope and believe no one ends up in hell.

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You believe no one ends up in hell?

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Nope. Seriously I do not think people have sat down and thought through exactly what eternal torment means.

Fair enough my friend

Derm, I say this with love and respect, but how do you reconcile that belief with Jesus' own words in Matthew 25:46, where He speaks of eternal punishment? I think we can all agree that we don't want anyone to go to hell, but we also have to submit to what God's Word says, even when it's difficult to understand.

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Derm, I say this with love and respect, but how do you reconcile that belief with Jesus' own words in Matthew 25:46, where He speaks of eternal punishment? I think we can all agree that we don't want anyone to go to hell, but we also have to submit to what God's Word says, even when it's difficult to understand.

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I have gone through that verse a million times it seems on here. Not doing it tonight. There are entire books written about the actual Greek and translation. Especially about the words anionios and kolasis.
Have a great night. Shalom.

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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Without addressing any questions about hell, I think you are making an excellent point about the role of scripture. There's nothing in scripture that says women should receive communion. But we regularly admit women to communion. Should we? [rhetorical question].

Sticking with this theme, neither the OT nor the NT lists its own books.

The word "Trinity" appears nowhere in Scripture and the understanding we have of the Trinity today, to the extent we understand it, is way beyond anything stated in Scripture.

No NT passage explicitly commands the baptism of infants, but Christians have been baptizing infants since the beginning.

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dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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AggieRain said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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Without addressing any questions about hell, I think you are making an excellent point about the role of scripture. There's nothing in scripture that says women should receive communion. But we regularly admit women to communion. Should we? [rhetorical question].

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I will defer to the church giving the communion. And the woman, or anyone, can decide where they want to worship. I mean, from my readings the Corinthian Christians made communion a oarty. And the only thing that seemed to upset Paul was them hoarding food and drinks from the poor.

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dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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AggieRain said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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Without addressing any questions about hell, I think you are making an excellent point about the role of scripture. There's nothing in scripture that says women should receive communion. But we regularly admit women to communion. Should we? [rhetorical question].

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I will defer to the church giving the communion. And the woman, or anyone, can decide where they want to worship.

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Just to be clear, I am in agreement with your point about how there's nothing in the NT where Jesus says "go to church on Sundays instead of keeping the Sabbath on Saturdays." I just took that dog for a walk.

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dermdoc said:

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dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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AggieRain said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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Without addressing any questions about hell, I think you are making an excellent point about the role of scripture. There's nothing in scripture that says women should receive communion. But we regularly admit women to communion. Should we? [rhetorical question].

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I will defer to the church giving the communion. And the woman, or anyone, can decide where they want to worship.

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Just to be clear, I am in agreement with your point about how there's nothing in the NT where Jesus says "go to church on Sundays instead of keeping the Sabbath on Saturdays." I just took that dog for a walk.

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No worries. I will say I have said a few unclean words everytime a political ad comes up during Monday Night football.

And seriously, to me keeping the Sabbath is a mind set. Not a list of dos and don'ts. I try to put some Sabbath in every day.

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And seriously, to me keeping the Sabbath is a mind set. Not a list of dos and don'ts. I try to put some Sabbath in every day.

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Not sure about that one. The pattern of work 6 days and rest one is one of the more obvious things God lays out for us in Scripture. Maybe I don't know what you mean by it "bring a mindset" and adding some everyday.

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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I agree that the church is the body of Christ, not a building! But I think we have to be careful not to overlook how important the local church is in Scripture. Hebrews 10:24-25 specifically tells us not to neglect gathering together. And Acts 2:42 shows us the early Christians devoted themselves to teaching, fellowship, breaking bread, and prayer. Jesus didn't call us to follow Him in isolation. He gave us the church, with pastors, elders, and fellow believers to help us grow in our faith. Sunday isn't the point as much as being committed to a local body of believers. It's a huge part of following Christ!

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dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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AggieRain said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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I agree that the church is the body of Christ, not a building! But I think we have to be careful not to overlook how important the local church is in Scripture. Hebrews 10:24-25 specifically tells us not to neglect gathering together. And Acts 2:42 shows us the early Christians devoted themselves to teaching, fellowship, breaking bread, and prayer. Jesus didn't call us to follow Him in isolation. He gave us the church, with pastors, elders, and fellow believers to help us grow in our faith. Sunday isn't the point as much as being committed to a local body of believers. It's a huge part of following Christ!

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I agree. We have "church" at my office every day. We pray with patients, fellowship, encourage, laugh, cry, and share life together. Church on Sunday is an extension of the Way. The way we live daily. The abundant life Christ promised us.

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And seriously, to me keeping the Sabbath is a mind set. Not a list of dos and don'ts. I try to put some Sabbath in every day.

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Not sure about that one. The pattern of work 6 days and rest one is one of the more obvious things God lays out for us in Scripture. Maybe I don't know what you mean by it "bring a mindset" and adding some everyday.

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To me Sabbath means being in rest with God. Hebrews 4 explains it well. Key verses for me.
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience.
7 God again set a certain day, calling it "Today". This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts"
9 There remains then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

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barnag said:

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dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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AggieRain said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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I agree that the church is the body of Christ, not a building! But I think we have to be careful not to overlook how important the local church is in Scripture. Hebrews 10:24-25 specifically tells us not to neglect gathering together. And Acts 2:42 shows us the early Christians devoted themselves to teaching, fellowship, breaking bread, and prayer. Jesus didn't call us to follow Him in isolation. He gave us the church, with pastors, elders, and fellow believers to help us grow in our faith. Sunday isn't the point as much as being committed to a local body of believers. It's a huge part of following Christ!

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I agree. We have "church" at my office every day. We pray with patients, fellowship, encourage, laugh, cry, and share life together. Church on Sunday is an extension of the Way. The way we live daily. The abundant life Christ promised us.

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love that you're praying with patients and sharing Christ with people every day. That's awesome!

But I do think there's an important distinction between Christian fellowship and the local church. Both are biblical, but they're not the same thing. God established the local church with pastors and elders to shepherd His people, teach His Word, and equip believers (Ephesians 4:11-12, Hebrews 13:17). We absolutely should live out our faith every day, but that doesn't replace being committed to a local body of believers. Both are important!

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dermdoc said:

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dermdoc said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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I have always said that there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven that are really pissed off when they find out who else made it.

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I used to make this joke about the Church of Christ.

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I don't know if it's true but it is my belief. I do not know DermDoc for instance, but I have seen his posts on various board and based on that alone, I believe him to be good person. I truly believe he lives as closely to being Christ like as a human being can, like many others. I know many people that hardly attend church at all and are more holy than those who do. For this reason alone, I simply don't believe people have to go through the motions, or 'theatrics' as I say, to be saved and make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe many will make it anyway. I would be disappointed and disgruntled if I found out otherwise. I could be wrong, and if so, well, I won't be there with everyone else and I guess I'll know the answer.

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Forst of all, thanks for the nice words. I can not find any Scripture that where Jesus said go to church on Sunday. Especially as it is in Western Christianity. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a whole different thing. Early Christians modeled what Jesus actually taught, the Way. A totally different way of living which leads to the most abundant life there is. The "church" is the body of Christ. Listen for the word of God. He will speak to you

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I agree that the church is the body of Christ, not a building! But I think we have to be careful not to overlook how important the local church is in Scripture. Hebrews 10:24-25 specifically tells us not to neglect gathering together. And Acts 2:42 shows us the early Christians devoted themselves to teaching, fellowship, breaking bread, and prayer. Jesus didn't call us to follow Him in isolation. He gave us the church, with pastors, elders, and fellow believers to help us grow in our faith. Sunday isn't the point as much as being committed to a local body of believers. It's a huge part of following Christ!

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I agree. We have "church" at my office every day. We pray with patients, fellowship, encourage, laugh, cry, and share life together. Church on Sunday is an extension of the Way. The way we live daily. The abundant life Christ promised us.

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love that you're praying with patients and sharing Christ with people every day. That's awesome!

But I do think there's an important distinction between Christian fellowship and the local church. Both are biblical, but they're not the same thing. God established the local church with pastors and elders to shepherd His people, teach His Word, and equip believers (Ephesians 4:11-12, Hebrews 13:17). We absolutely should live out our faith every day, but that doesn't replace being committed to a local body of believers. Both are important!

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Agree. We should be in fellowship with believers and reaching out to the lost all the time, but Sunday offers a special time for believers to worship together, be equipped, receive communion, etc. It's the Lord's day. We wouldn't have multiple books giving qualifications and instructing certain positions within the church if God didn't intend for there to be a certain structure to worship and shepherding.

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Well, this certainly is not ecumenical...What possesses a pastor to do this evil thing?

https://spiritdaily.org/blog/baptist-pastor-lets-kids-smash-statues-of-virgin-mary-angels/

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He's part of the New IFB movement, which is like the traditional IFB cult but angrier. I just don't get doing this. Regardless of what one thinks, she's still the Mother of God.

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In the immortal words of Barney Fife "He's a nut".

Not trying to be provocative but this guy is the poster child for the consequences of the Protestant Reformation and how Sola Scriptura falls apart. "Jesus and Whatnot" had a conversation with this guy that was pretty revealing.

A few points from this so-called Pastor:
- Has zero Seminary/Theological training and no religious degrees

- is KJV Only Protestant

- discounts the beliefs/writings of Ignatius and Polycarp (who were the Disciples of John) for living people today (himself)

-states that he doesn't care how the Jews understood or interpreted Scripture because the Jews were wrong. Why would we listen to the Jews??… Except when it comes to his 66 book KJV only Bible and then we must listen to the Jews I guess?

-he states we should elevate any living, saved, "Bible believing" Christians over the writings or beliefs of the early Church fathers and the disciples of the Apostles.

- has no problem smashing Mary statues or Icons of Jesus Christ.


He is a walking contradiction and sadly has a flock of sheep listening to him twist and distort the faith into all kinds of borderline heretical beliefs.