Blessed to share her birthday, thanks for posting.
It's also the birthday of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich.

How is this known?

I'm really loving the gemini model for AI, it has your answer. Essentially the church proclaimed it around the 6th century, nine months from the feast of the immaculate conception December 8. However, blessed catherine emmerich in her mystical works confirms that date as her actual birthday, and reports that the church recognized it from 250 AD. Regardless whether accurate or not, the church has chosen to celebrate her birthday on that date in the liturgical calender.

dg77ag said:

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I'm really loving the gemini model for AI, it has your answer. Essentially the church proclaimed it around the 6th century, nine months from the feast of the immaculate conception December 8. However, blessed catherine emmerich in her mystical works confirms that date as her actual birthday, and reports that the church recognized it from 250 AD. Regardless whether accurate or not, the church has chosen to celebrate her birthday on that date in the liturgical calendar.

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Been slowly reading through her writing The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Fascinating and very helpful in painting a mental picture for meditative prayer.

dg77ag said:

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I'm really loving the gemini model for AI, it has your answer. Essentially the church proclaimed it around the 6th century, nine months from the feast of the immaculate conception December 8. However, blessed catherine emmerich in her mystical works confirms that date as her actual birthday, and reports that the church recognized it from 250 AD. Regardless whether accurate or not, the church has chosen to celebrate her birthday on that date in the liturgical calender.

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So kind of like Jesus.

"Mystical works" makes my eyes bulge but that's not the topic of this thread, lol.

Howdy, it is me! said:

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How is this known?

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What's the point of the question? Genuine curiosity or simply trying to stir up a debate?

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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How is this known?

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simply trying to stir up a debate?

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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dg77ag said:

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I'm really loving the gemini model for AI, it has your answer. Essentially the church proclaimed it around the 6th century, nine months from the feast of the immaculate conception December 8. However, blessed catherine emmerich in her mystical works confirms that date as her actual birthday, and reports that the church recognized it from 250 AD. Regardless whether accurate or not, the church has chosen to celebrate her birthday on that date in the liturgical calendar.

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So kind of like Jesus.

"Mystical works" makes my eyes bulge but that's not the topic of this thread, lol.

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Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was a mystic... and she is said to have had mystical visions concerning our Blessed Lord and His mother. "Works" refers to her writings, typically recounting these visions.

It's 9 months after her Immaculate Conception on December 8.

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dg77ag said:

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I'm really loving the gemini model for AI, it has your answer. Essentially the church proclaimed it around the 6th century, nine months from the feast of the immaculate conception December 8. However, blessed catherine emmerich in her mystical works confirms that date as her actual birthday, and reports that the church recognized it from 250 AD. Regardless whether accurate or not, the church has chosen to celebrate her birthday on that date in the liturgical calendar.

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So kind of like Jesus.

"Mystical works" makes my eyes bulge but that's not the topic of this thread, lol.

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Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was a mystic... and she is said to have had mystical visions concerning our Blessed Lord and His mother. "Works" refers to her writings, typically recounting these visions.

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Sorry for any confusion, 747Ag is correct, i should have said writings.

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I'd love to know where it came from also....out of both curiosity and to stir up debate.

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Catholics don't know. Possibly the date a church was dedicated to her. It's not actually her birthday, just a liturgical day.

Howdy, it is me! said:

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How is this known?

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Good question, considering that Jesus's birthday isn't known, (The RCC picked December 25 because it was an existing Roman holiday.)

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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How is this known?

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What's the point of the question? Genuine curiosity or simply trying to stir up a debate?

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I never knew there was a date given for her birthday and was curious how it was determined.

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dg77ag said:

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I'm really loving the gemini model for AI, it has your answer. Essentially the church proclaimed it around the 6th century, nine months from the feast of the immaculate conception December 8. However, blessed catherine emmerich in her mystical works confirms that date as her actual birthday, and reports that the church recognized it from 250 AD. Regardless whether accurate or not, the church has chosen to celebrate her birthday on that date in the liturgical calendar.

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So kind of like Jesus.

"Mystical works" makes my eyes bulge but that's not the topic of this thread, lol.

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Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was a mystic... and she is said to have had mystical visions concerning our Blessed Lord and His mother. "Works" refers to her writings, typically recounting these visions.

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That was helpful because I don't think I took "works" as writings. I think I'm sensitive to words like "mystical" and "meditative" after hearing and reading about a lot of new age junk. I'm thinking that's not how it's meant in this context.

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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How is this known?

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Good question, considering that Jesus's birthday isn't known, (The RCC picked December 25 because it was an existing Roman holiday.)

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This is not how or why December 25 was decided.

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However, If you look into how that date came about the first part of his statement about them having no idea when he was born proves clearly true.

Interestingly, according to the Book of Maccabees, Hannukah, the rededication of the temple, began on the 25th day of the month of Chislev.

Jesus, the new Temple, celebrates his birthday on the 25th day of December...

1 Maccabees 4:59
Then Judas and his brothers and all the assembly of Israel determined that every year at that season the days of the dedication of the altar should be observed with gladness and joy for eight days, beginning with the twenty-fifth day of the month of Chislev.

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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How is this known?

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Good question, considering that Jesus's birthday isn't known, (The RCC picked December 25 because it was an existing Roman holiday.)

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I think Most dates in Christianity (and many religions) are rough guesses, back calculated, or purely made up to work with existing festivities at the time to promote adoption of new traditions.

A lot of my personal beliefs about the world are quite centered on natural timing of things and many of my own traditions are aligned with pagan festivities by proxy. As such, I believe completely that most Christian things were aligned similarly not only out of convenience but also to help snag and overshadow those traditions to help promote Christianity and simplify adoption of new ideas.

There are instances in mythology that have similar narratives as the ones we see in the Bible about saviors, miracles, and such. I don't think the timing and story line of Jesus is unique through the timeline of human existence.

Completely confusing correlation and causation.

Christian holidays flow directly from the lunar-solar calendar in the Torah. All modern Christian feasts and festivals are directly aligned with those in the Torah.

Other pagan cultures also had lunar and solar calendars. Ancient people noticed seasons and solstices, too.

Christmas has deep roots in early Christian tradition. Early Christian writings show that by the early third century, December 25 was recognized in Christian communities as the date to celebrate Christ's birth. Hippolytus of Rome (c. AD 202) explicitly records December 25 in his Commentary on Daniel. Clement of Alexandria (c. AD 195) mentions efforts by Christians to calculate the date of Jesus' birth, showing that the early Church was actively interested in commemorating the incarnation. John Chrysostom later affirms the theological importance of the nativity without referencing pagan influence. The choice of December 25 reflects early Christian theological reasoning, including the symbolic connection between Jesus' conception on March 25 and his birth nine months later. This "integral-age" tradition demonstrates that the date was chosen based on internal Christian calculation and reflection rather than as a response to pagan festivals. By separating Christian celebration from pagan practices, the Church ensured that the observance remained centered on Christ. Understanding the perspectives of the Church Fathers strengthens the believer's confidence in celebrating Christmas as a meaningful and historically grounded feast.

https://iapologia.com/christmas-through-the-eyes-of-the-church-fathers-why-december-25-was-chosen/