Now look up the rhetoric around Irish and German Catholics arriving in the United States in the 1840s and 50s.

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kurt vonnegut - Unfortunately that description is relatively accurate. I wish it wasn't. We have a recent example in this country (Somalians). Which state that has taken in a significant number of them has truly been made better by that migration? Now compare that to Asians as a whole.

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I think you have misinterpret what I consider human decency for an unmitigated endorsement of any and all immigration. Mass immigration can cause problems and I don't object to a nation exercising some selectivity in who they allow in.

I object to what you just wrote as being basically the dictionary definition of cultural/ religious prejudice. And I object to the dehumanizing language.

It's possible to object to mass immigration without comparing human beings, women, children to a plague of insects. There's no compassion or love in your post. Just hate.

No hate. Just an honest assessment based on historical common knowledge. How we treat individuals in our daily interactions and how we assess/judge whole cultures are two very different things.

Or Christians for that matter. Or most people and faiths that arrive in an area in huge numbers. Guess what Protestants thought would happen if they allowed Catholics to migrate to the U.S.? But Muslims aren't close to outnumbering anyone in Europe and like everyone else birthrates fall after a few years.

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No hate. Just an honest assessment based on historical common knowledge. How we treat individuals in our daily interactions and how we assess/judge whole cultures are two very different things.

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Okay, and how have you chosen to treat those individuals? From this conversation, it seems you think of them as a plague of insects.

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No hate. Just an honest assessment based on historical common knowledge. How we treat individuals in our daily interactions and how we assess/judge whole cultures are two very different things.

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"No hate, I just dehumanize those I don't like and call them insects."

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No hate. Just an honest assessment based on historical common knowledge. How we treat individuals in our daily interactions and how we assess/judge whole cultures are two very different things.

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Okay, and how have you chosen to treat those individuals? From this conversation, it seems you think of them as a plague of insects.

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Borrowing from another thread.....
Different country, but this sure looks like a plague to me.... or a scene from WWZ.

🚨BREAKING: An emergency has now been declared in the Spanish city of Ceuta after tens of thousands of illegal migrants break in from Morocco

Pedro Sánchez is REFUSING to deploy the military to defend the borders. 🇪🇸 pic.twitter.com/OvtzvEZxBs

— Inevitable West (@Inevitablewest) July 30, 2026

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Guys, sapper is accusing you of a phobia!!! Oooooo ahhhhhh!!!

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Phobia means a strong aversion towards, not merely a fear. And yes, there's a lot of xenophobia and transphobia on this board and forum 16.

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As someone with an actual phobia, I've not seen phobia on this board. Just because Christians feel homosexuality is a sin (for example) doesn't mean they are phobic of homosexuals. Those "phobias" are flippantly tossed around like the term OCD.

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Again, phobia does not only mean fear. It can also refer to an intense hatred or aversion towards. And yeah, there's plenty of homophobia on this board.

Also, I do love how the immediate conversation shifts as soon as the basic fact that the vast majority of immigrants in Ireland are from the UK followed closely by Europeans from the EU is established.

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Yes, I know that, and any true Christian would not feel hatred toward the homosexual person. Nor should they try to avoid them. Instead they should hate their sin and try to engage and point them toward Christ. It's the sin we hate and avoid, not the person.

To be honest, I skimmed this post and comments, not really interested in engaging in the original subject matter, but couldn't help myself in commenting about phobias. Probably wasn't appropriate upon further review.

I'm sure there are people out there who actually hate the person; but they aren't a true member of God's family in that case.

Sorry to derail the convo.

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I think you've got it the wrong way around. We love homosexuals. We want them to be saved. Just like any other unsaved individual. Several homosexuals I've dealt with in business over the years, and we would have conversations about their lifestyle, abortion, and other political things, would turn hostile. I am always courteous to people with differing views. But they usually wind up cursing me up one side and down the other, simply for bringing up the name of Jesus. The hatred was merely one-sided.

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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Guys, sapper is accusing you of a phobia!!! Oooooo ahhhhhh!!!

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Phobia means a strong aversion towards, not merely a fear. And yes, there's a lot of xenophobia and transphobia on this board and forum 16.

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As someone with an actual phobia, I've not seen phobia on this board. Just because Christians feel homosexuality is a sin (for example) doesn't mean they are phobic of homosexuals. Those "phobias" are flippantly tossed around like the term OCD.

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Again, phobia does not only mean fear. It can also refer to an intense hatred or aversion towards. And yeah, there's plenty of homophobia on this board.

Also, I do love how the immediate conversation shifts as soon as the basic fact that the vast majority of immigrants in Ireland are from the UK followed closely by Europeans from the EU is established.

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Yes, I know that, and any true Christian would not feel hatred toward the homosexual person. Nor should they try to avoid them. Instead they should hate their sin and try to engage and point them toward Christ. It's the sin we hate and avoid, not the person.

To be honest, I skimmed this post and comments, not really interested in engaging in the original subject matter, but couldn't help myself in commenting about phobias. Probably wasn't appropriate upon further review.

I'm sure there are people out there who actually hate the person; but they aren't a true member of God's family in that case.

Sorry to derail the convo.

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I think you've got it the wrong way around. We love homosexuals. We want them to be saved. Just like any other unsaved individual. Several homosexuals I've dealt with in business over the years, and we would have conversations about their lifestyle, abortion, and other political things, would turn hostile. I am always courteous to people with differing views. But they usually wind up cursing me up one side and down the other, simply for bringing up the name of Jesus. The hatred was merely one-sided.

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I've seen enough of these conversations to know you're almost certainly projecting far more hatred than you think you are.

As Pacifist is showing on his thread today, what was once perceived as hate is now seen for what it is: a disagreement over what we believe is best for the person

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Pierow said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Howdy, it is me! said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Guys, sapper is accusing you of a phobia!!! Oooooo ahhhhhh!!!

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Phobia means a strong aversion towards, not merely a fear. And yes, there's a lot of xenophobia and transphobia on this board and forum 16.

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As someone with an actual phobia, I've not seen phobia on this board. Just because Christians feel homosexuality is a sin (for example) doesn't mean they are phobic of homosexuals. Those "phobias" are flippantly tossed around like the term OCD.

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Again, phobia does not only mean fear. It can also refer to an intense hatred or aversion towards. And yeah, there's plenty of homophobia on this board.

Also, I do love how the immediate conversation shifts as soon as the basic fact that the vast majority of immigrants in Ireland are from the UK followed closely by Europeans from the EU is established.

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Yes, I know that, and any true Christian would not feel hatred toward the homosexual person. Nor should they try to avoid them. Instead they should hate their sin and try to engage and point them toward Christ. It's the sin we hate and avoid, not the person.

To be honest, I skimmed this post and comments, not really interested in engaging in the original subject matter, but couldn't help myself in commenting about phobias. Probably wasn't appropriate upon further review.

I'm sure there are people out there who actually hate the person; but they aren't a true member of God's family in that case.

Sorry to derail the convo.

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I think you've got it the wrong way around. We love homosexuals. We want them to be saved. Just like any other unsaved individual. Several homosexuals I've dealt with in business over the years, and we would have conversations about their lifestyle, abortion, and other political things, would turn hostile. I am always courteous to people with differing views. But they usually wind up cursing me up one side and down the other, simply for bringing up the name of Jesus. The hatred was merely one-sided.

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I've seen enough of these conversations to know you're almost certainly projecting far more hatred than you think you are.

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If you mean, the dogma and doctrine foisted upon general society that claims pride is not a sin, then yes. As a believer in God Almighty, I'm going to agree with him every time. But as for hating someone, you're way off base. I feel sorry for the unsaved. I know what awaits them. I know you don't believe that, but it's true.