Was Jesus Black?

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BartInLA
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The presenter moves at a fast pace. I never explored this question seriously but the presenter was interesting. Do you know of logical fact/reason backed arguments against this man's theory? My first reaction was that if true it must be the greatest conspiracy in the world.
Martin Q. Blank
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No. Unless somehow Jews all magically became white over 2000 years. Probably dark skinned though from being outside so much. And ugly (Is. 53:2).
Howdy, it is me!
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Sounds very Black Hebrew-esque (Hebrew Israelite).
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I've always just deferred to the Jewosh heritage on this one.

Beyond historical accuracy and interest I dont fully get why it's important to some. Should I care?
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coupland boy said:

I've always just deferred to the Jewosh heritage on this one.

Beyond historical accuracy and interest I dont fully get why it's important to some. Should I care?


It's so that SJWs can claim that Rome was racist in its crucifixion sentencing.
747Ag
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Why does it even matter?
Rocag
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It is an interesting phenomena that different cultures often depict Jesus as looking like themselves in their art. It's not just the white, European looking Jesus we're all familiar with that fits in this category either. I've seen black Jesuses (what is the plural for Jesus?), Indian Jesuses, Asian Jesuses, and so on. Everybody seems to want to believe in a Jesus that looks like them.
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Rocag said:

It is an interesting phenomena that different cultures often depict Jesus as looking like themselves in their art. It's not just the white, European looking Jesus we're all familiar with that fits in this category either. I've seen black Jesuses (what is the plural for Jesus?), Indian Jesuses, Asian Jesuses, and so on. Everybody seems to want to believe in a Jesus that looks like them.


Indeed. Well, maybe more like "the ideal man" by the society's standards. Because if Jesus were short, fat, and bald, people would be less willing to worship him. (Counterargument: Buddhism)
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coupland boy said:

I've always just deferred to the Jewish heritage on this one


Ever heard of Sammy Davis, Jr? Well have ya?
Bobaloo
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He was a homo sapien….
‘This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others; it will end in a way and at an hour of our choosing.’

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Howdy, it is me! said:

Sounds very Black Hebrew-esque (Hebrew Israelite).


Yep. He says all you need to know in the first 30 seconds.
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Considering God the Father provided half (or all) of his DNA, Jesus could have been any race. He wasn't limited by Mary's DNA.

And considering His appearance was that of a despised man, he was probably whatever race and appearance would be most despised so he could relate to the least of humans.
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NASAg03 said:

Considering God the Father provided half (or all) of his DNA, Jesus could have been any race. He wasn't limited by Mary's DNA.

And considering His appearance was that of a despised man, he was probably whatever race and appearance would be most despised so he could relate to the least of humans.


That's an interesting thought…

Whacky probably but interesting.
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NASAg03 said:

Considering God the Father provided half (or all) of his DNA, Jesus could have been any race. He wasn't limited by Mary's DNA.

And considering His appearance was that of a despised man, he was probably whatever race and appearance would be most despised so he could relate to the least of humans.

Matt. 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

John 4:9 The Samaritan woman said to him, "How is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.)

He looked Jewish.
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I dont know what color he was but he sure as hell didn't look like the statue the Catholics have pinned up on the front wall of the church.
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Probably brown, not black. I would imagine he looks like the Jews native to North Africa and the middle East more so than the Jews that moved there from Europe after WWII.
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Probably brown, not black. I would imagine he looks like the Jews native to North Africa and the middle East more so than the Jews that moved there from Europe after WWII.


Given the history of the nation of Israel being from the Middle East, why assume he'd be any darker than someone in Syria or Lebanon, or the Mediterranean cost generally?
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Lots of politically brainwashed Americans on here…

Jesus was 100% not black. They would have said it.

The man had a tan. How much I don't know but he wasn't Arab brown either.

Insane you people even fall for this or even entertain the losers who want to race bait.
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Agreed, because the whole idea of "black" as a racial designation is fairly new compared to Jesus' time.
DirtDiver
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If we can find Jewish people who trace their lineage back through the line of King David we may get some clues to the color...but I like the question that the person above posed...does it matter? I think what does matter is what God has revealed about Himself. Here are a few references...


Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men. Is 52

He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

Jesus "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

2 And He (Jesus) was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
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DirtDiver said:

If we can find Jewish people who trace their lineage back through the line of King David we may get some clues to the color...but I like the question that the person above posed...does it matter? I think what does matter is what God has revealed about Himself. Here are a few references...


Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men. Is 52

He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

Jesus "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

2 And He (Jesus) was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.


In America it matters as it is used to create division.

I don't think 99.9% of White Americans under 50 care what color Christ was.

I think a good majority of American blacks can't accept that God wasn't black.

It's naked racism and division in its simplest and purest form.

White anti Christian liberals push this as it causes division.

Ignore them
canadiaggie
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CrackerJackAg said:

Lots of politically brainwashed Americans on here…

Jesus was 100% not black. They would have said it.

The man had a tan. How much I don't know but he wasn't Arab brown either.

Insane you people even fall for this or even entertain the losers who want to race bait.


Arab brown isn't any one shade of brown lmao. There are Arabs who look Indian, Arabs who look white, Arabs who look black
bigtruckguy3500
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AGC said:

bigtruckguy3500 said:

Probably brown, not black. I would imagine he looks like the Jews native to North Africa and the middle East more so than the Jews that moved there from Europe after WWII.


Given the history of the nation of Israel being from the Middle East, why assume he'd be any darker than someone in Syria or Lebanon, or the Mediterranean cost generally?

Well, if you look at Sephardic Jews (those native to the middle east), you'll notice that most of them are some shade of brown. The Ashkenazi (European Jews) tend to have lighter complexion. While Jews and Arabs are both semitic peoples, and likely share common ancestry, there was probably a divergence at some point. I'm not familiar with the ancestry of the lighter colored Syrians and Lebanese, though it wouldn't surprise me if they have some European/Aryan heritage in them as they are further north.

At the end of the day, not sure it entirely matters much at all.
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CrackerJackAg said:

DirtDiver said:

If we can find Jewish people who trace their lineage back through the line of King David we may get some clues to the color...but I like the question that the person above posed...does it matter? I think what does matter is what God has revealed about Himself. Here are a few references...


Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men. Is 52

He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

Jesus "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

2 And He (Jesus) was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.


In America it matters as it is used to create division.

I don't think 99.9% of White Americans under 50 care what color Christ was.

I think a good majority of American blacks can't accept that God wasn't black.

It's naked racism and division in its simplest and purest form.

White anti Christian liberals push this as it causes division.

Ignore them



We may be seeing eye to eye, but I'm not sure. My point is this: It doesn't matter what color Jesus is. What matters is that people know who Jesus is. I don't care if a black person believes Jesus was black. I care very much that all people believe that Jesus is the unique Son of God, creator and Lord of all creation, and sufficiently paid the debt each one's debt of sin.

The minor things, like the color of Jesus, are a fun to ponder as long as our discussion of them doesn't destroy our ability to be heard when discussing the things of most importance.

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canadiaggie said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Lots of politically brainwashed Americans on here…

Jesus was 100% not black. They would have said it.

The man had a tan. How much I don't know but he wasn't Arab brown either.

Insane you people even fall for this or even entertain the losers who want to race bait.


Arab brown isn't any one shade of brown lmao. There are Arabs who look Indian, Arabs who look white, Arabs who look black


Obviously. It's a generality to just say he wasn't Arab for the people who don't know they didn't exist in any numbers during that time period.

It's sort of like saying the sky is blue. Usually it is. But OBVIOUSLY that can vary.

Thank you for your input and attention to this matter.
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DirtDiver said:

CrackerJackAg said:

DirtDiver said:

If we can find Jewish people who trace their lineage back through the line of King David we may get some clues to the color...but I like the question that the person above posed...does it matter? I think what does matter is what God has revealed about Himself. Here are a few references...


Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men. Is 52

He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

Jesus "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

2 And He (Jesus) was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.


In America it matters as it is used to create division.

I don't think 99.9% of White Americans under 50 care what color Christ was.

I think a good majority of American blacks can't accept that God wasn't black.

It's naked racism and division in its simplest and purest form.

White anti Christian liberals push this as it causes division.

Ignore them



We may be seeing eye to eye, but I'm not sure. My point is this: It doesn't matter what color Jesus is. What matters is that people know who Jesus is. I don't care if a black person believes Jesus was black. I care very much that all people believe that Jesus is the unique Son of God, creator and Lord of all creation, and sufficiently paid the debt each one's debt of sin.

The minor things, like the color of Jesus, are a fun to ponder as long as our discussion of them doesn't destroy our ability to be heard when discussing the things of most importance.




I agree with you on the main point. Which is why I'm saying not to engage in these conversations because usually anyone who brings them up, has a divisive or racist intention.
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CrackerJackAg said:

canadiaggie said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Lots of politically brainwashed Americans on here…

Jesus was 100% not black. They would have said it.

The man had a tan. How much I don't know but he wasn't Arab brown either.

Insane you people even fall for this or even entertain the losers who want to race bait.


Arab brown isn't any one shade of brown lmao. There are Arabs who look Indian, Arabs who look white, Arabs who look black


Obviously. It's a generality to just say he wasn't Arab for the people who don't know they didn't exist in any numbers during that time period.

It's sort of like saying the sky is blue. Usually it is. But OBVIOUSLY that can vary.

Thank you for your input and attention to this matter.


Sure, he wasn't Arab. To be fair most of the Arabs in the levant are not Arabs either, in the sense I assume you mean - Hejazi Bedouin Arab. They're just Arabized natives, genetically distinct from someone from Saudi or Qatar or the UAE.

But that's a different TED talk
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DirtDiver said:

CrackerJackAg said:

DirtDiver said:

If we can find Jewish people who trace their lineage back through the line of King David we may get some clues to the color...but I like the question that the person above posed...does it matter? I think what does matter is what God has revealed about Himself. Here are a few references...


Just as many were astonished at you, My people, So His appearance was marred more than any man And His form more than the sons of men. Is 52

He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.

Jesus "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

2 And He (Jesus) was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.


In America it matters as it is used to create division.

I don't think 99.9% of White Americans under 50 care what color Christ was.

I think a good majority of American blacks can't accept that God wasn't black.

It's naked racism and division in its simplest and purest form.

White anti Christian liberals push this as it causes division.

Ignore them



We may be seeing eye to eye, but I'm not sure. My point is this: It doesn't matter what color Jesus is. What matters is that people know who Jesus is. I don't care if a black person believes Jesus was black. I care very much that all people believe that Jesus is the unique Son of God, creator and Lord of all creation, and sufficiently paid the debt each one's debt of sin.

The minor things, like the color of Jesus, are a fun to ponder as long as our discussion of them doesn't destroy our ability to be heard when discussing the things of most importance.



Amen.
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Probably getting banned, but has to be said

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Take a look at all the light skinned Palestinian children who have been murdered.
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It doesn't say and it doesn't matter. What we know is this:

Isaiah 53:2 KJV
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

He is the son of God. That's what is most important. Anything else is simple foolishness.
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Please keep the racist stuff off of this forum. Thanks.

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With all due respect, I was just doing your job. That post sat there for way too long.
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Odd not one person referenced the three sons of Noah and their offspring's in Genesis.

According to the Book of Genesis Table of Nations, Ham (the son of Noah) had four primary sons: Cush, Mizraim (Egypt), Put (Libya/North Africa) and Canaan. Their descendants populated regions across Africa.

The Bible's Table of Nations in Genesis 10, Shem (son of Noah) had five primary sons: Elam, Ashur, Arpachshad, Lud, and Aram. These descendants settled primarily across the ancient Near East and Middle East, forming the ancestral lines for Semitic peoples, including the Israelites.

Japheth: Associated with European and Asian regions; his sons were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras


Ham disrespected Noah and his sons were cursed, KJV indicated it was just the oldest son Canaan but normally that means all the offsprings of Ham.



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