SSPX Announces Names of future bishops, including one American.

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In reply to fc2112 • 10:45a, 5/28/26
fc2112 said:
747Ag said:
Vox Clamantis said:
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Why would they openly defy Pope on this after a clear warning from the Vatican?


The same reason Cdl Wojtyla did. The supreme law.

And Cardinal Slipyj too

Y'all keep pointing that out as if it's a "gotcha". But equating the "emergency" of a suppressed Church behind the Iron Curtain to the "emergency" of an Order that has its panties in a wad because a visitor to the Vatican pretended to be an ordained minister is laughable.

This is ridiculous. Your entire schtick has been that its beyond the pale and a crime of universal proportions for anyone to consecrate bishops without Vatican approval.

Pope St. John Paul II did just that. So did Cdl Slipyj. Your hypocrisy is showing.
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 10:58a, 5/28/26
Don't make stuff up - you might end up in need of the confessional . (Good news is you can do that face to face now).

It is the SSPX claiming an emergency when no emergency exists that is the issue.
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In reply to fc2112 • 11:06a, 5/28/26
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fc2112 said:
747Ag said:
Vox Clamantis said:
PabloSerna said:
Why would they openly defy Pope on this after a clear warning from the Vatican?


The same reason Cdl Wojtyla did. The supreme law.

And Cardinal Slipyj too

Y'all keep pointing that out as if it's a "gotcha". But equating the "emergency" of a suppressed Church behind the Iron Curtain to the "emergency" of an Order that has its panties in a wad because a visitor to the Vatican pretended to be an ordained minister is laughable.

Actually, it's illustrative that disobeying the Pope with respect to episcopal consecrations is sometimes appropriate and doesn't result in excommunications. In fact, the penalty of excommunication is new to the 1983 Code of Canon Law (intended to address the situation in the Chinese church and the parallel hierarchy of the communist church). The 1917 code has the penalty at suspension.

With respect to the claimed state of emergency... you don't have to accept it. Rome doesn't. And that doesn't actually matter if anyone believes the SSPX's claim here.

Most of y'all stop at Canon 1013 and Canon 1387. SSPX logic also cites Canons 1323 & 1324. Taking that all in, one who breaks Church law commits no punishable offense provided that he is driven to it by a necessity that is not only real but even wrongly assumed due to a subjective error, provided that this error is not culpable but accompanies the most complete good faith.

It's similar to the criteria to make a sin mortal, especially with respect to knowledge of the gravity of said sin. It's related to following one's conscience provided it's not formed in bad faith (i.e. malicious intent).

The interesting thing in this controversy is how it draws out condemnation after condemnation wherein with others further away from communion with Rome (seeing that Rome views communion as sort of a spectrum these days) are welcomed and accompanied and dialoged with. The difference is the sacred cow of the Council that has become a sort of super-dogma in the minds of some.
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In reply to fc2112 • 11:10a, 5/28/26
fc2112 said:
Don't make stuff up - you might end up in need of the confessional . (Good news is you can do that face to face now).

It is the SSPX claiming an emergency when no emergency exists that is the issue.

If the state of the post conciliar church doesn't strike you as an emergency, you're playing for the other team.
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 11:36a, 5/28/26
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Vox Clamantis said:
fc2112 said:
Don't make stuff up - you might end up in need of the confessional . (Good news is you can do that face to face now).

It is the SSPX claiming an emergency when no emergency exists that is the issue.

If the state of the post conciliar church doesn't strike you as an emergency, you're playing for the other team.


I wonder how many others will use the same playbook for whatever cause they believe needs it?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:37a, 5/28/26
PabloSerna said:
Vox Clamantis said:
fc2112 said:
Don't make stuff up - you might end up in need of the confessional . (Good news is you can do that face to face now).

It is the SSPX claiming an emergency when no emergency exists that is the issue.

If the state of the post conciliar church doesn't strike you as an emergency, you're playing for the other team.


I wonder how many others will use the same playbook for whatever cause they believe needs it?

I've heard your thoughts on the German church's flirtation with heresy, so forgive me if I disregard your concern.
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 12:39p, 5/28/26
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Do you disagree with the Pope's position that unity/disunity of the Church should not "revolve around sexual matters"?

It would seem that obedience is of a greater concern.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:18p, 5/28/26
PabloSerna said:
Do you disagree with the Pope's position that unity/disunity of the Church should not "revolve around sexual matters"?

It would seem that obedience is of a greater concern.

I believe he was chastising the German Church, not those of us adhering to the timeless Catholic teaching on human sexuality.

So yes, I believe the German Church should get with the rest of the church and stop trying to read nuance into what is explicit.
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2:55p, 5/28/26
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I am Orthodox and it's absolutely wild to see this play out. TC, FS, and now this looming in July. So much change.
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In reply to TSJ • 2:59p, 5/28/26
TSJ said:
I am Orthodox and it's absolutely wild to see this play out. TC, FS, and now this looming in July. So much change.


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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 4:13p, 5/28/26
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I'm older than all but Fr. Schreiber.
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In reply to 747Ag • 4:31p, 5/28/26
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Vox Clamantis said:

I'm older than all but Fr. Schreiber.

I'm only older than 1.
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 4:46p, 5/28/26
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Vox Clamantis said:
TSJ said:
I am Orthodox and it's absolutely wild to see this play out. TC, FS, and now this looming in July. So much change.




Peace be with you!
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 6:15p, 5/28/26
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Vox Clamantis said:
747Ag said:
Vox Clamantis said:

I'm older than all but Fr. Schreiber.

I'm only older than 1.

Get off my lawn!



Kids these days...
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3:41p, 6/4/26
Somewhat related to the topic, the SSPX put out a trailer that looks awesome. It shows many aspects of being a missionary priest completely devoted to Christ. In the video you'll see Fr Goldade, soon to be Bp. Goldade, God willing.


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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 9:36a, 6/5/26
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Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seems like SSPx heretics need to bend the knee instead of going against their holy father.


What!?!?

I don't think that word thinks what you think it means.

Although it's all just more bad fruit from the RCC decision to split the Church.

At a point you should look around and wonder if maybe you made a mistake.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 1:33p, 6/5/26
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What stage of grief is this?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 5:53p, 6/5/26
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PabloSerna said:
What stage of grief is this?


Stage 5 I think…
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 9:18a
CrackerJackAg said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seems like SSPx heretics need to bend the knee instead of going against their holy father.


What!?!?

I don't think that word thinks what you think it means.

Although it's all just more bad fruit from the RCC decision to split the Church.

At a point you should look around and wonder if maybe you made a mistake.

Split?

99.9999999% uses the Ordinary Form?

0.00000001% uses the Extraordinary Form?

That ain't a "split".
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In reply to fc2112 • 9:29a
fc2112 said:
CrackerJackAg said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Seems like SSPx heretics need to bend the knee instead of going against their holy father.


What!?!?

I don't think that word thinks what you think it means.

Although it's all just more bad fruit from the RCC decision to split the Church.

At a point you should look around and wonder if maybe you made a mistake.

Split?

99.9999999% uses the Ordinary Form?

0.00000001% uses the Extraordinary Form?

That ain't a "split".

He's talking about the one that happened almost 1000 years ago.
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 9:46a
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Vox Clamantis said:
PabloSerna said:
Do you disagree with the Pope's position that unity/disunity of the Church should not "revolve around sexual matters"?

It would seem that obedience is of a greater concern.

I believe he was chastising the German Church, not those of us adhering to the timeless Catholic teaching on human sexuality.

So yes, I believe the German Church should get with the rest of the church and stop trying to read nuance into what is explicit.


Nah. pabloSerna is right

Leo doesn't care that the German Church is doing this. If he did, he would've done something about it by now

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This seemed like a fair representation of the history related to this situation. If it is truly accurate, it makes me unsympathetic to the SSPX. They seem to be playing word games over the past 50 years. I see no reason why they will not proceed with the unauthorized consecration of bishops. In doing so, it should be a permanent excommunication. I'm not a fan of some of Vatican II but I trust that the Holy Spirit guides the church and the Holy Father in matters of church teachings. That is part of what it means when you say you are a Catholic.
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 1:59p
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Naa mi Capitan … I posted the letter from the DDF for your reading leisure. They are two different issues if you read through them. But I realize that may be a challenge for short attention spans. Surely not talking about you.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 3:38p
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PabloSerna said:
Naa mi Capitan … I posted the letter from the DDF for your reading leisure. They are two different issues if you read through them. But I realize that may be a challenge for short attention spans. Surely not talking about you.


Yeah no need, as I have already read it, and it changes nothing. Perhaps it is you who needs to work on his attention capabilities.

If you'll go back and read, I said he would DO something if he really cared

Publishing a letter to the Germans basically saying "y'all shouldn't be doing that" doesn't amount to anything. The Vatican didn't "do" diddly squat. Reminds me of the "oh you STRENUOUSLY object" mockery Tom Cruise heaped on Demi Moore

In fact, quite the opposite, as was evident in the plane interview, where he said (in essence) we made our position, it's no longer going to be a focus. Basically, "we consider this matter closed"

Meanwhile the Germans keep on keeping on with impunity

Try to pay attention, if you can
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