Pope Leo thinks Elon Musk is paid too much

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Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy said:

Where are these noble, kind and loving "poor people" everyone is so worried about? I just don't see it. That may come across as really harsh but I have seen too much to just give anyone a pass. I don't despise them anymore or less than anyone else. I won't give a pass to the kid in Mexico selling chicles. They will swipe your wallet if you are not careful.

Human nature is so depraved with sin that even the poor are stained with it.


No one is telling you to give them a pass, Jesus tells us to visit those who are imprisoned; he doesn't say "wrongly imprisoned" he just says "imprisoned".

There's a video of a Franciscan soup kitchen in NY that does free meals daily for the poor. The guy who's making the video says " you know that half the guys here take advantage of you, and could afford to feed themselves" and the friar says "we're here to be taken advantage of"
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As Elon Musk has pointed out, being poor is actually a blessing and you should feel sorry for him due to his vast wealth.

Burnsey
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The Catholic Church is one, if not the wealthiest entity in the world. CEO Leo should stfu on the subject of wealth.
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Burnsey said:

The Catholic Church is one, if not the wealthiest entity in the world. CEO Leo should stfu on the subject of wealth.


The Catholic Church is also the largest charity in the world, so maybe they can talk about this stuff. My pastor has multiple advanced degrees, and makes less than a Starbucks barista.
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Fake.
hph6203
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Imagine telling the Catholic Church, you're really good at amassing money to help people, but we think you're doing it in a way that we think is bad, because religion causes people to judge others, so we're going to take your assets so we can do it in the way we think is best.


Elon's wealth is a representation of control over companies doing business in a variety of different domains. It is not cash. When he sold $20 billion of Tesla stock to buy Twitter the stock crater $450 billion in value, the vast majority of which was not his own. If he sells, other people lose money. A non-insignificant portion of the value of Tesla is derived from the fact he holds and does not sell the stock, another non-insignificant portion of it is that he runs the business well, has a vision of how it should progress, and possesses control over the decisions the company makes. That is true for every company he runs, value derived from his involvement and competence.

When people say he should not have that much wealth, they are saying he should not possess decision making control over those companies. When they say he should be taxed on his wealth, they are saying that the government should force him to sell his decision making power to fund managers who will narrow the horizon of what they concern the business with (i.e. more short term profit maximization) and then the government will decide what to do with the proceeds.


A short, non-exhaustive list, of what his companies are doing:
-Attempting to cure blindness (43 million people)
-Attempting to cure deafness (70 million people)
-Attempting to cure parkinsons (10 million people)
-Attempting to cure paralysis (16 million people)
-Restore functionality to amputees (60 million people)
-Attempting to reduce emissions from auto transportation (10's of thousands of early deaths annually)
-Attempting to improve the viability of renewal energy, reducing energy costs
-Attempting to solve autonomous driving (>1 million deaths a year, significant contributor to cost of goods people buy)
-Attempting to create a fully re-usable rocket that dramatically reduces the cost of access to space and allows for global internet connectivity that ensures people in remote areas have access to information, and the ability to communicate with others. i.e. impoverished nations gain access to education opportunities, and individuals lost in the wilderness/lost at sea/in accidents have access to contact emergency services.


Call me crazy, but I'm ok with his "wealth" (aka control over companies) if they achieve those things.
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Quo Vadis? said:

Burnsey said:

The Catholic Church is one, if not the wealthiest entity in the world. CEO Leo should stfu on the subject of wealth.


The Catholic Church is also the largest charity in the world, so maybe they can talk about this stuff. My pastor has multiple advanced degrees, and makes less than a Starbucks barista.
Charity pissing match? Elon has likely already donated more to charity than any person who has ever lived. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church, the largest religious organization in the word, is worth trillions. Trillions. So they should be the largest charity. Now explain why the Catholic Church needs trillions of dollars in assets but Elon doesn't.
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Burnsey said:

Quo Vadis? said:

Burnsey said:

The Catholic Church is one, if not the wealthiest entity in the world. CEO Leo should stfu on the subject of wealth.


The Catholic Church is also the largest charity in the world, so maybe they can talk about this stuff. My pastor has multiple advanced degrees, and makes less than a Starbucks barista.
Charity pissing match? Elon has likely already donated more to charity than any person who has ever lived. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church, the largest religious organization in the word, is worth trillions. Trillions. So they should be the largest charity. Now explain why the Catholic Church needs trillions of dollars in assets but Elon doesn't.


Not a pissing match, you're the one that said that largest charitable organization in the world should stfu about wealth. I said perhaps being the largest charitable organization in the world gives them room to talk.

I also don't know where in the Dan Brown fever dream you got the trillions number from.

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Burnsey said:

The Catholic Church is one, if not the wealthiest entity in the world. CEO Leo should stfu on the subject of wealth.


Just so you know, the RCC is not structured like that (CEO etc.). You may not agree, but a non-profit conservation is more similar.
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Patriot25 said:

Sapper Redux said:

Patriot25 said:

Did Jesus ever speak out publicly to complain that someone was being paid too much? I don't recall that he did. The point being that perhaps the supposed "Vicar of Christ" should preach Jesus's word instead of his own.


I thought Jesus was pretty clear on his views regarding the very wealthy. Do you need your Bible to quote Jesus saying, "And the CEO of a company must not make more than $1 billion," before it becomes something to be concerned about?


I think it's GOOD to speak out in general terms but the Pope called out Musk by name. Does the Pope want to be the Pope or does he want to be a worldly political figure?

Want to? He is.
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Elon has likely already donated more to charity than any person who has ever lived.


So this is definitely wrong . . .he has donated more than the average human can comprehend . . .$5 Billion of Tesla shares to his Elon Musk Foundation in 2021.

But that pales in comparison to other donors ranging from current day philanthropists such as Bill Gates and George Soros to the inflation adjusted charitable giving of early 20th Century folks like John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie.

Musk is very open about how he views traditional philanthropy as an inferior way to improve the welfare of global society. He thinks his business investments are a better approach.
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Gates and Soros did not donate to charity. That is a myth. Both have caused quite deliberately tremendous harm via their 'charitable contributions.'
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Gates and Soros did not donate to charity. That is a myth. Both have caused quite deliberately tremendous harm via their 'charitable contributions.'


We can do without the partisan paranoia. Both have some of the largest standing gifts to charitable foundations. Soros has given more than $32 Billion while Gates has given over $40 Billion.
 
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