747Ag said:

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Barn burner...

https://bishopjosephstrickland.substack.com/p/building-a-staircase

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The Banned said:

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Won't speak as to whether or not this is a good or bad document, or whether or not it is needed. I will simply add the fact that over 95% of American Catholics view Jews with a neutral to very positive disposition. 4.3% of American Catholics have a negative view.

https://www.thebostonpilot.com/AMP/amp_article.php?ID=194540

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Sapper Redux said:

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Buddy, the history and power dynamics mean that Jews are often extremely reticent to trust Christians.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Buddy, the history and power dynamics mean that Jews are often extremely reticent to trust Christians.

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*the gates of Toledo have entered the chat*

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Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Buddy, the history and power dynamics mean that Jews are often extremely reticent to trust Christians.

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*the gates of Toledo have entered the chat*

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Okay, you've got one claim that may or may not be true. Now how many attacks on innocent Jews in Spain alone would you like to go through? We can start with the attacks of the Catholic Visigoths who ruled Toledo before 711 on their Jewish population.

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UTExan said:

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That Jewish opinion of evangelicals is interesting because the evangelicals are the biggest supporters of Jews.
You fly into Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport and the walls of the jetways display messages of evangelical support for Israel.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Buddy, the history and power dynamics mean that Jews are often extremely reticent to trust Christians.

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*the gates of Toledo have entered the chat*

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Okay, you've got one claim that may or may not be true. Now how many attacks on innocent Jews in Spain alone would you like to go through? We can start with the attacks of the Catholic Visigoths who ruled Toledo before 711 on their Jewish population.

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Yeah, Catholics were upset about the whole "killing Jesus" thing as well as centuries of persecution at the hands of the Romans and Jews. Unfortunately for the Jews; they backed the wrong horse.

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So you believe every Jew is responsible for the death of Jesus? You're literally spouting the deicide charge that was used to massacre millions of Jews over centuries. And are you claiming that Jews allied with the Romans? Because I some news about Jewish-Roman relations.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Or the history behind claiming the Rothschilds or Soros are behind everything amd how that links to antisemitic conspiracy theories?

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Sapper Redux said:

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What does Herod Agrippa have to do with the Jewish people and the traditions and norms of antisemitism? Tension between Jews and Romans was sky-high during his life and after and he certainly didn't speak on behalf of all Jews, though there was hope he could provide a measure of independence for Judea.

And Judaism doesn't have a notion of generational punishment. There's no original sin in Judaism. It's about the choices made by individuals to continue or not continue along bad paths.

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Sapper Redux said:

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No, it doesn't. The 40 years was a punishment for that generation and that generation alone. The plagues were for that group Egyptians and those who benefited from the slave society, etc…

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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No, it doesn't. The 40 years was a punishment for that generation and that generation alone. The plagues were for that group Egyptians and those who benefited from the slave society, etc…

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No it wasn't, Joshua 5 references the children born during the
exodus weren't circumcised, they wouldn't have been in the generation guilty of disobedience to God. Similarly, the first born children of the Egyptians would have been innocent of any wrongdoings of their parents, yet were the target of a plague. That's the definition of generational punishment.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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No, it doesn't. The 40 years was a punishment for that generation and that generation alone. The plagues were for that group Egyptians and those who benefited from the slave society, etc…

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No it wasn't, Joshua 5 references the children born during the
exodus weren't circumcised, they wouldn't have been in the generation guilty of disobedience to God. Similarly, the first born children of the Egyptians would have been innocent of any wrongdoings of their parents, yet were the target of a plague. That's the definition of generational punishment.

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The 40 years was to remove those guilty of the golden calf. The first born was a plague on everyone in the land of Egypt at that moment. It didn't transfer down the ages to multiple generations. If you want to get into the moral depravity present in the Bible, happy to, but this isn't generational punishment ongoing because of the past sins of another. It's punishment in that moment on all who are around.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Deuteronomy is pretty explicit that children are not to be put to death for the sins of the father and visa versa. Is that not in the Catholic Bible?

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Coming out with a GIGANTIC tome to make sure you cross examine everything we say so it isn't incidentally anti-Semitic.

Things that are anti-Semitic according to this new production:

1. Saying Jews aren't God's chosen people
2. Saying a "Jewish lobby" exists…..what is AIPAC?
3. Pepe the Frog
4. Mentioning the Rothschilds
5. Mentioning George Soros

Seriously, a 63 page glossary with steps towards fighting anti-semitism in the community reads like something out of the fever dream of whatever the Jewish equivalent of BLM is.

If you're a fellow Catholic, please join me in mailing and calling the USCCB and begging them to stop focusing on the virtue signaling nonsense, and fix the very real problems happening in our churches right now.

We've got gay couples giving homilies at masses, and queer interpretative liturgical dance, while TLM's are being closed all over the place, and the USCCB is chastising you for knowing Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were Jewish.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/261017/us-bishops-jewish-advocacy-group-release-catholic-guide-to-combating-antisemitism

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Deuteronomy is pretty explicit that children are not to be put to death for the sins of the father and visa versa. Is that not in the Catholic Bible?

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Deuteronomy is all over the place, it also says that the sins of the parent are laid upon their children, even so far as the 3rd and 4th generation, contextually it's a warning against disobedience and an incentive towards obedience, but it still prompts a rebuke from Ezekiel in 18:20.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Deuteronomy is pretty explicit that children are not to be put to death for the sins of the father and visa versa. Is that not in the Catholic Bible?

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Deuteronomy is all over the place, it also says that the sins of the parent are laid upon their children, even so far as the 3rd and 4th generation, contextually it's a warning against disobedience and an incentive towards obedience, but it still prompts a rebuke from Ezekiel in 18:20.

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You're thinking of Exodus. And the Jewish belief is that behavior is often transmitted by parents resulting in a continuance of the sin, but the sin itself that is not continued. It is a new sin of the individual.

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Zobel said:

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I'd suggest that Matthew 27 is quite a bit subtler than that. The blood of atonement cleanses and purifies. I think there's some dramatic irony there by the hand of St Matthew.

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