On evangelizing and apologetics with Catholics and not with Jews?
I had the misfortune of dialogue with a rabid southern Baptist Pastor of a reformed church in North Carolina this weekend and we got into talking about how the Catholic Church added books, and how Mary is a Pagan Queen, and how the Septuagint was the works of the Antichrist, and that Christ giving the keys to the kingdom had nothing to do with the story of Eliakim in the Old Testament.
Not ascribing this to anyone here but I find that for all of their ability to read scripture they don't actually know anything about their faith other than rote memorization.
Secondly, it seems that they have a HUGE love affair with Judaism but not for apostolic Christianity. We're on the verge of going to hell, while the Jews are the chosen people who God is preparing for a special plan of salvation (but it clearly didn't happen 2000 years ago).
I was told that the masoretic text is more accurate because that's the text that Jews that used. I told him that Christ quoted from the Septuagint 30x as often as the masoretic, and St Augustine confirmed the Septuagint as canon at the Synod of hippo, but he told me those were extra biblical sources. I told him he had to use extra biblical sources to tell him the books the Jews used, and he then showed me a google AI that the Catholic Church invented the Septuagint at the council of Trent. I asked how the OO and EO had the deuterocanon in their bibles, and he said they were also Roman Catholic.
With regard to Mary he showed me a link of pagans using "Queen of Heaven" and argued that Bathsheba was never called a "Queen" even though she was the mother of king Solomon. I showed him the book of Kings where it says Solomon himself bowed to her and had a seat for her at his right hand. I also showed her how her title translated as "queen mother". He then said that she was a harlot and we are all kings in the line of royal priesthood.
In the end we agreed to disagree and talked about other things but I was shocked that this dude had a church and a flock of people who paid to hear his teaching.
What I was most struck by was his argument that the Masoretic text was superior to the Septuagint because "that's what the Jews used". It seems to me that there is a massive preference for Judaism in reformed circles than there is for Catholicism, even when I mentioned that Christian Jews used the Septuagint, he said they were Roman Catholic. He also didn't know that the Catholic Church had eastern churches as well.
I had the misfortune of dialogue with a rabid southern Baptist Pastor of a reformed church in North Carolina this weekend and we got into talking about how the Catholic Church added books, and how Mary is a Pagan Queen, and how the Septuagint was the works of the Antichrist, and that Christ giving the keys to the kingdom had nothing to do with the story of Eliakim in the Old Testament.
Not ascribing this to anyone here but I find that for all of their ability to read scripture they don't actually know anything about their faith other than rote memorization.
Secondly, it seems that they have a HUGE love affair with Judaism but not for apostolic Christianity. We're on the verge of going to hell, while the Jews are the chosen people who God is preparing for a special plan of salvation (but it clearly didn't happen 2000 years ago).
I was told that the masoretic text is more accurate because that's the text that Jews that used. I told him that Christ quoted from the Septuagint 30x as often as the masoretic, and St Augustine confirmed the Septuagint as canon at the Synod of hippo, but he told me those were extra biblical sources. I told him he had to use extra biblical sources to tell him the books the Jews used, and he then showed me a google AI that the Catholic Church invented the Septuagint at the council of Trent. I asked how the OO and EO had the deuterocanon in their bibles, and he said they were also Roman Catholic.
With regard to Mary he showed me a link of pagans using "Queen of Heaven" and argued that Bathsheba was never called a "Queen" even though she was the mother of king Solomon. I showed him the book of Kings where it says Solomon himself bowed to her and had a seat for her at his right hand. I also showed her how her title translated as "queen mother". He then said that she was a harlot and we are all kings in the line of royal priesthood.
In the end we agreed to disagree and talked about other things but I was shocked that this dude had a church and a flock of people who paid to hear his teaching.
What I was most struck by was his argument that the Masoretic text was superior to the Septuagint because "that's what the Jews used". It seems to me that there is a massive preference for Judaism in reformed circles than there is for Catholicism, even when I mentioned that Christian Jews used the Septuagint, he said they were Roman Catholic. He also didn't know that the Catholic Church had eastern churches as well.
