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Trump tried to install himself against the election results? Instead of just leaving peacefully? That's a new one for me. That's how you know the propaganda worked, it just weaves its way in and sticks instead of being filtered out.

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Ask mike pence.

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I'm asking you. How'd he do it? Did he hole himself up in the whitehouse with secret service covering entrances? Ask generals to stage a coup? Did he just refuse to leave? How? Give us something to substantiate this.

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He tried to force Pence not to accept the state electors and had back up electors ready to submit their votes for himself. Just asking Pence to go against the constitution was enough to show intent. I voted for for the R nominee this time, again, but I trust Pence's word against Trump's any day of the week when it comes to the evidence.

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Tried to force? How? Holding a gun? Blackmail? Extortion? Come on man. Asking questions where someone can say, 'no' and accepting the answer by walking out peacefully doesn't support the assertion. If you want to believe he asked, that's fine. But it's pretty indisputable that words and actions are two different things and all of the handwringing is over questions because at the end of the day, he didn't do the things you (and others) want him to be guilty of.

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Face palm all you want... What would have happened if Trump's mob would have made it to the House floor and got a hold of Pence. Did you think they were breaking in to give hugs? Its funny because there are some conservatives who will go to the mat for Trump regardless of what he has done or does in the future, no matter what and then there are other conservatives who hold him and other representatives accountable. When you're the most powerful man in the world, words have power. Do you not understand all the hate and death threats Pence continued to receive.....from those believing they were doing what Trump wanted? If your boss asks you to do something illegal, there are repercussions, whether you followed his orders or not.

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Trump tried to install himself against the election results? Instead of just leaving peacefully? That's a new one for me. That's how you know the propaganda worked, it just weaves its way in and sticks instead of being filtered out.

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Ask mike pence.

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I'm asking you. How'd he do it? Did he hole himself up in the whitehouse with secret service covering entrances? Ask generals to stage a coup? Did he just refuse to leave? How? Give us something to substantiate this.

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He tried to force Pence not to accept the state electors and had back up electors ready to submit their votes for himself. Just asking Pence to go against the constitution was enough to show intent. I voted for for the R nominee this time, again, but I trust Pence's word against Trump's any day of the week when it comes to the evidence.

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Tried to force? How? Holding a gun? Blackmail? Extortion? Come on man. Asking questions where someone can say, 'no' and accepting the answer by walking out peacefully doesn't support the assertion. If you want to believe he asked, that's fine. But it's pretty indisputable that words and actions are two different things and all of the handwringing is over questions because at the end of the day, he didn't do the things you (and others) want him to be guilty of.

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Face palm all you want... What would have happened if Trump's mob would have made it to the House floor and got a hold of Pence. Did you think they were breaking in to give hugs? Its funny because there are some conservatives who will go to the mat for Trump regardless of what he has done or does in the future, no matter what and then there are other conservatives who hold him and other representatives accountable. When you're the most powerful man in the world, words have power. Do you not understand all the hate and death threats Pence continued to receive.....from those believing they were doing what Trump wanted? If your boss asks you to do something illegal, there are repercussions, whether you followed his orders or not.

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Trump's mob? Propaganda coming through again.

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I guess you didn't read all of the court transcripts from those convicted who said they were just doing what they thought Trump had called them to do via his speech? Actually, Propaganda is claiming the Dems are responsible for Trump's attempted assassination instead of just people with mental illness.

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Trump tried to install himself against the election results? Instead of just leaving peacefully? That's a new one for me. That's how you know the propaganda worked, it just weaves its way in and sticks instead of being filtered out.

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Ask mike pence.

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I'm asking you. How'd he do it? Did he hole himself up in the whitehouse with secret service covering entrances? Ask generals to stage a coup? Did he just refuse to leave? How? Give us something to substantiate this.

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He tried to force Pence not to accept the state electors and had back up electors ready to submit their votes for himself. Just asking Pence to go against the constitution was enough to show intent. I voted for for the R nominee this time, again, but I trust Pence's word against Trump's any day of the week when it comes to the evidence.

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Tried to force? How? Holding a gun? Blackmail? Extortion? Come on man. Asking questions where someone can say, 'no' and accepting the answer by walking out peacefully doesn't support the assertion. If you want to believe he asked, that's fine. But it's pretty indisputable that words and actions are two different things and all of the handwringing is over questions because at the end of the day, he didn't do the things you (and others) want him to be guilty of.

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Face palm all you want... What would have happened if Trump's mob would have made it to the House floor and got a hold of Pence. Did you think they were breaking in to give hugs? Its funny because there are some conservatives who will go to the mat for Trump regardless of what he has done or does in the future, no matter what and then there are other conservatives who hold him and other representatives accountable. When you're the most powerful man in the world, words have power. Do you not understand all the hate and death threats Pence continued to receive.....from those believing they were doing what Trump wanted? If your boss asks you to do something illegal, there are repercussions, whether you followed his orders or not.

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Trump's mob? Propaganda coming through again.

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I guess you didn't read all of the court transcripts from those convicted who said they were just doing what they thought Trump had called them to do via his speech? Actually, Propaganda is claiming the Dems are responsible for Trump's attempted assassination instead of just people with mental illness.

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I guess you didn't read about his request for extra security (denied by others) and asking them to be peaceful. You think J6 proceedings and prosecutions are verifiable fact? Surely they wouldn't say stuff like that to save prison time or avoid prosecution, right? Believe what you want, I don't care. It's still propaganda to think he wanted to install himself and force pence to do things if he just walked away after pence said 'no'. Y'all keep using those words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

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Actually, Propaganda is claiming the Dems are responsible for Trump's attempted assassination instead of just people with mental illness.

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Wait, what?

You don't think the people who spent 8 years calling him "literally Hitler" and an "exhistentional threat to democracy" are even little culpable?

Seriously? You actually just wrote that? And believe it?

Modern progressives are neo Marxists. This isn't hyperbole it's a statement of fact. The people who wrote the current playbook the modern progressives follow were literally Marxists.

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Taibbi's Twitter files was pretty underwhelming.

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Dude. It showed the government was colluding with private companies to limit free speech. You are seriously ok with that?

I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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So does this mean it wasn't trump's fault since they went there with their own agenda? I can't keep it all straight.

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I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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So does this mean it wasn't trump's fault since they went there with their own agenda? I can't keep it all straight.

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Remind me who organized the rally and told them to march on the Capitol while promoting lies about a "stolen election"?

A third of the country felt like the election was stolen. Again, for the millionth time, burying the Hunter laptop story alone easily could have swayed enough votes to flip the election. And that definitely happened. That's not "promoting a lie."

It may indeed not be true, but no one will ever know 100% either way.

I've never faulted Dems for how they felt about 2000. Razor thin elections with obvious incongruities are going the engender such reactions.

And, finally, let me say with complete sincerety. If the Dems ever think the Republicans steal an election, they have a civic duty to protest and contest that election with every legal avenue available to them. There is nothing more American then standing up for the Republic and the rule of law.

The Fedsurrection got so out of control in 2021 that they wound up picking up the pipe bombs the feds planted at the DNC/RNC and lied about the cell phone data of the fed agent who put them there (who got out of a cop car to place them). J6 was a coup of sorts, but not by Trump supporters, rather the FBI.

All of the J6 political prisoners should be pardoned.

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I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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So does this mean it wasn't trump's fault since they went there with their own agenda? I can't keep it all straight.

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Remind me who organized the rally and told them to march on the Capitol while promoting lies about a "stolen election"?

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ray epps?

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I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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Sweet. Now do the BLM riots...

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I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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So does this mean it wasn't trump's fault since they went there with their own agenda? I can't keep it all straight.

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Remind me who organized the rally and told them to march on the Capitol while promoting lies about a "stolen election"?

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Can you repeat the quote Trump made about the protest march to the capitol?

He said, "Let's peacefully let our voices be heard". It was not an "Insurrection", it was a protest march. If some people got out of hand, that was not Trump's doing.

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I'm always amazed at how the January 6th insurrectionists are always, ALWAYS portrayed as innocent, naive little beans capable of no wrong or fault.

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So does this mean it wasn't trump's fault since they went there with their own agenda? I can't keep it all straight.

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Remind me who organized the rally and told them to march on the Capitol while promoting lies about a "stolen election"?

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Can you repeat the quote Trump made about the protest march to the capitol?

He said, "Let's peacefully let our voices be heard". It was not an "Insurrection", it was a protest march. If some people got out of hand, that was not Trump's doing.

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This is what frustrates me sometimes. We can still vote to maintain our conservative principles, whoever the nominee is, but to cherry pick the statements just so "the libs won't be right in their accusations', just seems nuts. Anyone who 1) looks at the entire context of his speech, which included things like "'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'", 2) the statements of those convicted of crimes on Jan 6 where they stated they were only doing what they thought Trump wanted them to do and 3) Trump still claiming that it was a lovefest and he's going to pardon everyone convicted, has to see the enormous responsibility Trump had and how he could have tamped down all the vitriol by condemning the violence and the perpetrators and telling them "i never told you to be violent and ransack our capital".

If we have come to a place in our country where we don't care, or tacitly consent to the language and action of our elected politicians, just so we can take control back of the country... Then we can expect more of the same, and we shouldn't be surprised when a man who claims to support Christians, but acts contrary to Christian principles in so many ways, and the evidence was there all along. He has been turned into an idol by some....because people believe only he can save our country and are willing to look past all his character flaws and in fact try to justify them with scripture.

I hope this administration is successful. But if it is, I don't see us setting higher expectations of presidential nominees of good character, that hold justice, temperance, prudence and fortitude as virtues to live by.

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Can you repeat the quote Trump made about the protest march to the capitol?

He said, "Let's peacefully let our voices be heard". It was not an "Insurrection", it was a protest march. If some people got out of hand, that was not Trump's doing.

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Sorry. . . . I've been ignoring this thread. . . . are you calling the January 6th incident a 'protest march' where some people got out of hand?

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The Fedsurrection got so out of control in 2021 that they wound up picking up the pipe bombs the feds planted at the DNC/RNC and lied about the cell phone data of the fed agent who put them there (who got out of a cop car to place them). J6 was a coup of sorts, but not by Trump supporters, rather the FBI.

All of the J6 political prisoners should be pardoned.

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Ah good....I was afraid the R&P board was immune to conspiracies. I do wonder, what exactly do you think would have happened if the mob had actually entered the chamber where the lawmakers where working and they had not been shuffled to a secure location? Its interesting that most of those convicted admitted they knew what they did was wrong before doing it and they were doing it at the behest of the president.

Had the roles been reversed, and the Dems had stormed the capital, those currently calling for the J6 pardons would have been calling for the gallows. It just amazing how quickly peoples integrity disappears for no other reason except they can't both support our principles while also holding those on our side responsible for stupid acts.
Pardoning the J6 folks is give tacit consent for this to happen again. It will embolden those mensa scholars that were involved to take it up a notch next time because Trump will just pardon them (in their minds).

At least we don't have to pretend that Christian principles are a cornerstone of these efforts. Its only about 'owning' the other side and pride.

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The Fedsurrection got so out of control in 2021 that they wound up picking up the pipe bombs the feds planted at the DNC/RNC and lied about the cell phone data of the fed agent who put them there (who got out of a cop car to place them). J6 was a coup of sorts, but not by Trump supporters, rather the FBI.

All of the J6 political prisoners should be pardoned.

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Ah good....I was afraid the R&P board was immune to conspiracies. I do wonder, what exactly do you think would have happened if the mob had actually entered the chamber where the lawmakers where working and they had not been shuffled to a secure location? Its interesting that most of those convicted admitted they knew what they did was wrong before doing it and they were doing it at the behest of the president.

Had the roles been reversed, and the Dems had stormed the capital, those currently calling for the J6 pardons would have been calling for the gallows. It just amazing how quickly peoples integrity disappears for no other reason except they can't both support our principles while also holding those on our side responsible for stupid acts.
Pardoning the J6 folks is give tacit consent for this to happen again. It will embolden those mensa scholars that were involved to take it up a notch next time because Trump will just pardon them (in their minds).

At least we don't have to pretend that Christian principles are a cornerstone of these efforts. Its only about 'owning' the other side and pride.

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where are your complaints though when clinton pardoned the faln bombers or obama pardoned chelsea manning that they were giving tacit concent for bombing and treason

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Can you repeat the quote Trump made about the protest march to the capitol?

He said, "Let's peacefully let our voices be heard". It was not an "Insurrection", it was a protest march. If some people got out of hand, that was not Trump's doing.

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Sorry. . . . I've been ignoring this thread. . . . are you calling the January 6th incident a 'protest march' where some people got out of hand?

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yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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Can you repeat the quote Trump made about the protest march to the capitol?

He said, "Let's peacefully let our voices be heard". It was not an "Insurrection", it was a protest march. If some people got out of hand, that was not Trump's doing.

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Sorry. . . . I've been ignoring this thread. . . . are you calling the January 6th incident a 'protest march' where some people got out of hand?

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yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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Good, I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. I also believe that 2500 people invading the Capitol Building by trampling over police, attacking officers, killing an officer, 140 something security and police members inured, causing millions of dollars in damage, leaving behind feces, blood, bullet holes on American works of art, and with the intent of interrupting a key proceeding in our democracy crucial for the peaceful transfer of power is also no big deal. And another 4 officers who took their life because of the death threats from conservatives they received after testifying about the event. I mean screw those guys. Its like whatever, right?

And its not like they were rioting for something stupid like 'treating people better'. They were rioting to overturn the will of the American people. Totally noble! Glad we are on the same page!

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Can you repeat the quote Trump made about the protest march to the capitol?

He said, "Let's peacefully let our voices be heard". It was not an "Insurrection", it was a protest march. If some people got out of hand, that was not Trump's doing.

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Sorry. . . . I've been ignoring this thread. . . . are you calling the January 6th incident a 'protest march' where some people got out of hand?

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yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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Good, I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. I also believe that 2500 people invading the Capitol Building by trampling over police, attacking officers, killing an officer, 140 something security and police members inured, causing millions of dollars in damage, leaving behind feces, blood, bullet holes on American works of art, and with the intent of interrupting a key proceeding in our democracy crucial for the peaceful transfer of power is also no big deal. And another 4 officers who took their life because of the death threats from conservatives they received after testifying about the event. I mean screw those guys. Its like whatever, right?

And its not like they were rioting for something stupid like 'treating people better'. They were rioting to overturn the will of the American people. Totally noble! Glad we are on the same page!

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Was this available on Netflix?

The fines are specific to the number of people affected and the amount they were defrauded out of. On a per person basis, PSU and MSU were hit with far higher penalties. Are you saying those schools should have been allowed to misrepresent themselves and mislead students because they were Christian? Or should their fines have been the same and PSU fined more for Sandusky?