Evolution Question

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DirtDiver
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ramblin_ag02 said:

It's fine to be skeptical of a scientific theory. It's actually great, but you have to propose something that explains the facts better and is more useful over all. The theory of evolution is useful to explain all kinds of things in the fossil record and following DNA changes over time. We can witness genetic selection under pressure in real time, and we've even witnessed speciation in simple organisms. No one here is giving a working alternative to evolutionary theory. Everyone is just sorting of saying, "I don't like it and it doesn't explain everything," and then *crickets*. There is nothing magical about leading theories. Newton was right about physics until he wasn't. But it didn't happen because people didn't like Newton's theories. It happened because we found something better. So if you want to toss out the theory of evolution, then just find something better. Until then, it's the most useful biological theory we have.

Facts:
We have a complex universe that has a beginning.
We have fossils buried all around a spherical planet.
Animals reproduce after their kind.
Matter and time and space come into existence at the same time.
We are spiritual intelligent beings
DNA contains information

Creationists Explanation
Everything with a beginning has a cause. One can deduce that the first cause must be immaterial, personal, powerful, spaceless, timeless, and intelligent. (God)
A global flood best explains how rocks form in layers and the deposit of fossils around a spherical planet. (rapid burial and intense pressure)
Animals reproduce after their kind.
Matter, time, and space come into existence at the same time. (Genesis 1:1)
Intelligent beings produce intelligent beings, It's unreasonable and unobservable to conclude that intelligence and reason is a product of chance.
DNA has information points to an intelligent cause.

Evolutionists Explanation
The complex universe is a product of an big bang, potential explosion. Order from chaos, life from non- life.
Fossils were put in the ground by....choose your own adventure...over millions/billions of years.
Animals at one time did not reproduce after their kind.
We are intelligent beings whose minds are a product of chance
DNA contains information by chance
DirtDiver
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It's fine to be skeptical of a scientific theory. It's actually great, but you have to propose something that explains the facts better and is more useful over all.

I didn't speak to usefulness. Creationists and Evolutionist would both agree that genetic testing, animal and plant breeding is scientific and useful.

Creationists claim that "natural selection" - is not evidence for molecules to man evolution and that the philosophy of molecules to man evolution is not useful.

The molecules to man evolution theory is useful if you want to : promote racism, devalue human life, attempt to remove moral accountability for one's actions.

The Biblical account of creation if useful for humanity to know where they came from, the purpose for which they exist, and how they should interact with their creator and others, and to understand the cause and effect world in which we live.
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Facts:

We have a complex universe that has a beginning.
Not necessarily. There could have been something before the Big Bang, we just don't know.

We have fossils buried all around a spherical planet.
True.

Animals reproduce after their kind.
"Kind" is not a scientific term, so the meaning of this statement is at best vague. Does it mean species? Genus? Family? Something else?

Matter and time and space come into existence at the same time.
Again, not necessarily.

We are spiritual intelligent beings
Depends on what you mean by "spiritual". I'm not sure this is something everyone agrees with we can assume is fact.

DNA contains information
I suspect there's a disagreement to be had over what we mean when we say information and what it implies, but sure.

You misrepresent the arguments for evolution because you fundamentally don't understand them. It's evident in the way you describe evolution, including the repeated use of the phrase "monkey to man". And by saying things like the evolution of the mind is the product of chance. No one who understands evolution would describe it that way. But I'm not sure you understand why which makes this a difficult discussion to have.
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Evolutionists Explanation
The complex universe is a product of an big bang, potential explosion. Order from chaos, life from non- life.
Fossils were put in the ground by....choose your own adventure...over millions/billions of years.
Animals at one time did not reproduce after their kind.
We are intelligent beings whose minds are a product of chance
DNA contains information by chance
Just in case you weren't aware, evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang or the origin of life. It is merely an explanation for how life can diversify in the right environments.

It seems to me like you are using "evolution" as a stand-in for materialistic atheism in general, and those things are very different
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