Carmel Monastery in Arlington gone full schismatic

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1:25p, 9/17/24
http://www.carmelnuns.com/

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For the past several years we have experienced much joy and spiritual renewal in the re-discovery of the riches of the immemorial liturgical tradition of the Church.

In our desire to grow in holiness and an ever deeper fidelity to our Discalced Carmelite charism, and as an appropriate means to better serve Our Holy Mother the Church, in August, following the unanimous decision of the Chapter of the Monastery, and with the agreement of the whole community, we completed the final steps necessary for our Monastery to be associated with the Society of Saint Pius X, who will henceforth assure our ongoing sacramental life and governance. We are profoundly grateful to the Very Reverend Father Superior General and to his delegates here in the USA for their paternal understanding and welcome.


Of course, a Catholic cannot just up and say "we don't like our bishop so we're going over here". You CAN choose to just leave the Church, which it appears they have.

Of course, Bishop Olson cannot let this go by with no comment.



Such a shame as I enjoyed daily mass at this Monastery. Now, no more. Whatever "Mass" is being said here will not be by a priest with faculties in this diocese. Too bad.

Such a shame these nuns and their supporters have chosen to leave the Catholic Church. I pray for their souls.
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1:31p, 9/17/24
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The SSPX is not schismatic and is in full communion with Rome.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 1:35p, 9/17/24
No it isn't.

EDIT: To clarify, I had dinner with Cardinal DiNardo a few months back and asked him this very question. He answered with a definitive "yes".

I also had breakfast few weeks ago with Bishop Seitz of El Paso. I've been a friend of his for over 30 years. He too confirmed that the SSPX is schismatic.

I will take the judgement of bishops and cardinals over what some dude on the Internet says. I do not doubt SSPX priests say they are not schismatic. But I doubt you'll find anyone outside that order that agrees.
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2:22p, 9/17/24
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Is this that same convent that had the nun that was accused by the Bishop of sexting with a priest?

Also, this convent has a handful of nuns and is on a big piece of land smack in DFW. Who pays for all that?

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2:31p, 9/17/24
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OP, you misspelled SSPV. They are the ones in schism, not the SSPX.
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In reply to fc2112 • 3:38p, 9/17/24
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fc2112 said:
No it isn't.

EDIT: To clarify, I had dinner with Cardinal DiNardo a few months back and asked him this very question. He answered with a definitive "yes".

I also had breakfast few weeks ago with Bishop Seitz of El Paso. I've been a friend of his for over 30 years. He too confirmed that the SSPX is schismatic.

I will take the judgement of bishops and cardinals over what some dude on the Internet says. I do not doubt SSPX priests say they are not schismatic. But I doubt you'll find anyone outside that order that agrees.
Or you could actually research for yourself.

They are considered in a canonically irregular position, but all excommunications were lifted. Pope Francis' Apostolic Letter Misericordia et Misera specifically granted the faculty to validly and licitly absolve sins to priests of the SSPX

As the Church becomes more irregular in the post conciliar world, we will see more people return to tradition. In a post Traditionis Custodes church people will flock to the SSPX.

I do not doubt most Bishops consider SSPX in schism since they don't answer to them, but to call them fully schismatic is false.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 5:12p, 9/17/24
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"As the Church becomes more irregular"

Ah my friend, this is so loaded, but I'm glad you have finally shown your true colors.

“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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In reply to PabloSerna • 5:29p, 9/17/24
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PabloSerna said:
"As the Church becomes more irregular"

Ah my friend, this is so loaded, but I'm glad you have finally shown your true colors.



Don't be mistaken and believe you haven't revealed much about yourself as well.
Thank you for recognizing that I present myself truthfully and don't veil myself in platitudes and non sequiturs.
God bless you Pablito
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In reply to jrico2727 • 7:32p, 9/17/24
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If truth is what you seek then why the lie?
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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In reply to PabloSerna • 7:50p, 9/17/24
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Name the lie. Why accuse with coyness?
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9:35a, 9/18/24
Does the average Catholic have any idea what any of you are talking about?
94chem,
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In reply to 94chem • 4:22p, 9/18/24
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94chem said:
Does the average Catholic have any idea what any of you are talking about?


I do. And I'm decidedly average

If you're interested in what these nuns are up to, and the history behind it, Google it

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In reply to 94chem • 10:21a, 9/19/24
94chem said:
Does the average Catholic have any idea what any of you are talking about?

The people in my parish need to know since we're so physically close to this monastery. as I said, I enjoyed daily mass here but alas no more.
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Quo Vadis? said:



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In reply to fc2112 • 9:00p, 9/19/24
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No it isn't.

EDIT: To clarify, I had dinner with Cardinal DiNardo a few months back and asked him this very question. He answered with a definitive "yes".

I also had breakfast few weeks ago with Bishop Seitz of El Paso. I've been a friend of his for over 30 years. He too confirmed that the SSPX is schismatic.

I will take the judgement of bishops and cardinals over what some dude on the Internet says. I do not doubt SSPX priests say they are not schismatic. But I doubt you'll find anyone outside that order that agrees.



Humble brag…hanging with the high rollers!

The long and short of the nun deal was that there was supposedly some funny business going on with the Mother superior of the order. She denied it and Bishop Olson moved in for a money grab of the nun's property. Vatican approved it. Nuns bailed to SSPX now Bishop Olson and OP are both mad.

Edit: some people on here are very Novus Ordo Jesuit Boomer Catholics and some are trads. Some middle ground from what I can see.

Fun fact: Bishop Olson is a Domer and was in town for the ND game. He celebrated Mass at 9 am at St Mary's in CS.
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In reply to Scotty88 • 8:31a, 9/21/24
Lotta talk that Bishop Olson's actions were a land grab. But no evidence other than those speculating as to why he took the actions he did.

The land is still owned by FRIENDS OF THE CARMELITE NUNS OF ARLINGTON INC which is run by Ruth Carter (yes, THAT Carter family). The Diocese has good lawyers, and thus is likely well aware that a land grab can't happen.

I think those rumors were being floated to try and make the bishop look petty.
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9:12a, 9/21/24
Bishop Olson is actually one of the best bishops in the USA. I think there might be some fire behind the smoke of what was going on in the convent. I hope the Society did their due diligence on this one.

I've had the privilege of speaking with Bp Olson at Mattress Mac's yearly fundraiser for the Dominican Sisters (Astros rally nuns). He is a very thoughtful and orthodox shepherd
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In reply to fc2112 • 9:15a, 9/21/24
fc2112 said:
No it isn't.

EDIT: To clarify, I had dinner with Cardinal DiNardo a few months back and asked him this very question. He answered with a definitive "yes".

I also had breakfast few weeks ago with Bishop Seitz of El Paso. I've been a friend of his for over 30 years. He too confirmed that the SSPX is schismatic.

I will take the judgement of bishops and cardinals over what some dude on the Internet says. I do not doubt SSPX priests say they are not schismatic. But I doubt you'll find anyone outside that order that agrees.


Bishop Seitz and Cardinal DiNardo don't get to make that call. Late Abp Vitus Huonder has said he was personally told by the Holy Father that the society is not in schism.

Schismatics do not have faculties within the church. The fact that the Society has them is proof positive for their non schismatic status.

The Holy Father has given great examples of humility in his discourse with the Orthodox, and with the Protestants. The Society deserves even more of a pastoral welcome than the schismatic and heretical.
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 10:42a, 9/21/24
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Bishop Seitz and Cardinal DiNardo don't get to make that call.
They literally do

https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib2-cann368-430_en.html

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Can. 375 1. Bishops, who by divine institution succeed to the place of the Apostles through the Holy Spirit who has been given to them, are constituted pastors in the Church, so that they are teachers of doctrine, priests of sacred worship, and ministers of governance.
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In reply to fc2112 • 11:03a, 9/21/24
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Quo Vadis? said:
Bishop Seitz and Cardinal DiNardo don't get to make that call.
They literally do

https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib2-cann368-430_en.html

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Can. 375 1. Bishops, who by divine institution succeed to the place of the Apostles through the Holy Spirit who has been given to them, are constituted pastors in the Church, so that they are teachers of doctrine, priests of sacred worship, and ministers of governance.


They do not get to make that decision, the DDF does, the bishops are only able to ACCUSE someone under their umbrella of schism. If any bishop could declare someone in schism, 80% of the Catholic congressmen in the USA would be declared in schism for something by at least someone in the episcopate.

Look at the recent process behind the schism of Abp Vigano.

Cdl Dinardo and Bp Seitz are certainly able to accuse someone within their archdiocese/diocese of schism, and forward to the DDF, where I'm sure Cdl Tucho will give them a fair trial
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12:36p, 9/21/24
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Those recalcitrant nuns have it pretty good

Big spread of land, free rent, food, etc

Good work if you can get it
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 12:51p, 9/21/24
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Those recalcitrant nuns have it pretty good

Big spread of land, free rent, food, etc

Good work if you can get it
They're simply following the lead of those folks in the Vatican.
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In reply to 94chem • 2:49p, 9/21/24
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To answer your question, "Yes, we understand what is going on." Have followed it very closely. Like another poster, Catholic here.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
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12:10p, 9/26/24
UPDATE - Apparently, the nuns have invited Fr. Vincent Young to say mass and be in residence at the monastery. No idea who he is other than a priest of Scranton, PA, whose bishop says he's been absent for 20 years.

https://fwdioc.org/bishop-olson-statement-to-faithful-of-diocese-fort-worth-9-24-24-en.pdf
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In reply to jrico2727 • 1:31p, 9/26/24
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jrico2727 said:
Name the lie. Why accuse with coyness?
The Church, not any movement, ministry, nor religious order IS the guardian of the tradition, therefore they cannot be "irregular" in any way. You are on board, or you are not.

Lest you disagree... (excerpt from Traditionis Custodes):

"Guardians of the tradition, the bishops in communion with the Bishop of Rome constitute the visible principle and foundation of the unity of their particular Churches. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, through the proclamation of the Gospel and by means of the celebration of the Eucharist, they govern the particular Churches entrusted to them."

“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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In reply to 94chem • 1:39p, 9/26/24
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94chem said:
Does the average Catholic have any idea what any of you are talking about?

I would say no.

The nuns are trying to wiggle out from the authority of a Bishop they do not see eye-to-eye with, not to mention, may have issues within their own religious order.

I said it from day one- the Bishop will have the final say. I have seen things like this with another religious order and the local Bishop made the call, Rome backed it.

“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:44p, 9/26/24
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PabloSerna said:
94chem said:
Does the average Catholic have any idea what any of you are talking about?

I would say no.

The nuns are trying to wiggle out from the authority of a Bishop they do not see eye-to-eye with, not to mention, may have issues within their own religious order.

I said it from day one- the Bishop will have the final say. I have seen things like this with another religious order and the local Bishop made the call, Rome backed it.



Hasn't Rome already backed it? At least to some extent?
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UPDATE - Apparently, the nuns have invited Fr. Vincent Young to say mass and be in residence at the monastery. No idea who he is other than a priest of Scranton, PA, whose bishop says he's been absent for 20 years.

https://fwdioc.org/bishop-olson-statement-to-faithful-of-diocese-fort-worth-9-24-24-en.pdf


Will Cote be the deacon?
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UPDATE - Apparently, the nuns have invited Fr. Vincent Young to say mass and be in residence at the monastery. No idea who he is other than a priest of Scranton, PA, whose bishop says he's been absent for 20 years.

https://fwdioc.org/bishop-olson-statement-to-faithful-of-diocese-fort-worth-9-24-24-en.pdf

So not SSPX anymore?
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In reply to 747Ag • 2:54p, 9/26/24
So the only SSPX parish in the D/FW area has a priest who comes down from somewhere else just to say "mass" on weekends.

Not sure who this dude is at all. Quick Google search didn't turn up much.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 2:56p, 9/26/24
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PabloSerna said:
jrico2727 said:
Name the lie. Why accuse with coyness?
The Church, not any movement, ministry, nor religious order IS the guardian of the tradition, therefore they cannot be "irregular" in any way. You are on board, or you are not.

Lest you disagree... (excerpt from Traditionis Custodes):

"Guardians of the tradition, the bishops in communion with the Bishop of Rome constitute the visible principle and foundation of the unity of their particular Churches. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, through the proclamation of the Gospel and by means of the celebration of the Eucharist, they govern the particular Churches entrusted to them."



Lol it took you 9 days to cover your calumny with this pearl clutching. And you wonder why it is hard for many to take you seriously.

Your post is literal rendition of the meme of the dog sitting in the fire saying everything is fine. Taken her history as a whole, absolutely nothing about the church has been "regular " for 60 years, most notably during this pontificate. The quote from TC was honestly irrelevant to the point, unless you are suggesting we revert to the blind clericalism that the hallowed second Vatican council so greatly discouraged. Again 9 days to respond with only this is disappointing, try harder brother.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 3:06p, 9/26/24
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9 days, time flies. I had forgotten to be honest.

I guess I still don't agree with you (no surprise) that it is the RCC and not the nuns in this case or SSPX in another that are the ones 'going rouge'.

The clericalism you cite is still a problem, but unrelated to this issue. This is an issue of authority.
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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3:16p, 9/26/24
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Since it was brought up, here is a LINK to a good article about clericalism and how the Pope sees it as a source to the problem of abuse.

Clericalism, he said, involves trying "to replace or silence or ignore or reduce the people of God to small elites," generally the clerics.

“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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