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Refusing aid to migrants is a "grave sin" - Pope Francis
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I was aware of that video, I think this same discussion popped up on F16. Again, this is the action of one or two persons.
You may not be aware of Catholic Charities. They seek to welcome the stranger in a foreign land as the "hands and feet" of Christ. Jesus asked us, his disciples, to do unto others as we would do for him.
It is a reality, that many seek asylum from a foreign land that is under siege from violent cartels, or an oppressive government. We, a predominantly Christian nation, should not turn a blind eye. Safety and humanitarian help should be our goal. Catholic Charities list these as their aim to fulfill the Catholic aim of preferential treatment for the poor and marginalized.
Catholic Charities is not the only nonprofit organization seeking to assist the immigrants arriving. I believe in the work they do precisely because it is work I cannot do personally- however I can support along with others They operate with the blessing of the local Bishop and are on the front line of the inhumane conditions at our southern border.
As a Christian, I am well aware of the challenge the words of Bible with regards to being our brothers keeper. This ministry is a response to that calling. Immigration is a political lighting rod ahead of the election. Instead of crafting a more comprehensive humane response that includes keeping families together, a path for citizenship for certain groups, and a genuine interest in addressing the issues causing so many to leave their country of origin- we have the incredible idea of "mass deportation" day 1.
You may not be aware of Catholic Charities. They seek to welcome the stranger in a foreign land as the "hands and feet" of Christ. Jesus asked us, his disciples, to do unto others as we would do for him.
It is a reality, that many seek asylum from a foreign land that is under siege from violent cartels, or an oppressive government. We, a predominantly Christian nation, should not turn a blind eye. Safety and humanitarian help should be our goal. Catholic Charities list these as their aim to fulfill the Catholic aim of preferential treatment for the poor and marginalized.
Catholic Charities is not the only nonprofit organization seeking to assist the immigrants arriving. I believe in the work they do precisely because it is work I cannot do personally- however I can support along with others They operate with the blessing of the local Bishop and are on the front line of the inhumane conditions at our southern border.
As a Christian, I am well aware of the challenge the words of Bible with regards to being our brothers keeper. This ministry is a response to that calling. Immigration is a political lighting rod ahead of the election. Instead of crafting a more comprehensive humane response that includes keeping families together, a path for citizenship for certain groups, and a genuine interest in addressing the issues causing so many to leave their country of origin- we have the incredible idea of "mass deportation" day 1.
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
PabloSerna said:
I was aware of that video, I think this same discussion popped up on F16. Again, this is the action of one or two persons.
You may not be aware of Catholic Charities. They seek to welcome the stranger in a foreign land as the "hands and feet" of Christ. Jesus asked us, his disciples, to do unto others as we would do for him.
It is a reality, that many seek asylum from a foreign land that is under siege from violent cartels, or an oppressive government. We, a predominantly Christian nation, should not turn a blind eye. Safety and humanitarian help should be our goal. Catholic Charities list these as their aim to fulfill the Catholic aim of preferential treatment for the poor and marginalized.
Catholic Charities is not the only nonprofit organization seeking to assist the immigrants arriving. I believe in the work they do precisely because it is work I cannot do personally- however I can support along with others They operate with the blessing of the local Bishop and are on the front line of the inhumane conditions at our southern border.
As a Christian, I am well aware of the challenge the words of Bible with regards to being our brothers keeper. This ministry is a response to that calling. Immigration is a political lighting rod ahead of the election. Instead of crafting a more comprehensive humane response that includes keeping families together, a path for citizenship for certain groups, and a genuine interest in addressing the issues causing so many to leave their country of origin- we have the incredible idea of "mass deportation" day 1.
Mass deportation day 1 is the only credible option now, because it's really "mass deportation on day 20,000". We were promised when the Hart-Cellers act passed, that it would "not impact our country's demographics" and you don't need a census to see that was a lie.
We are at the risk of losing our country to people who may want a better life, but definitely don't want to be American. The way to force people to assimilate is to keep their numbers small, so they have to. England used to talk about how great their Pakistani minorities were, until they got to be about 4% of the population, and started declaring Shari'a law in parts of certain cities. At this point in Western Europe and the USA, no one needs to assimilate.
Deport them all. Stop all immigration. Take a breath and work on assimilating the ones we have here. Once we actually have a grip on our society, then we can look at if we need immigration:
I've said before that the U.S, allows far more legal immigration
(about a million per yr) than any other country, it is the illegals
forcing their way across the border that are the problem.
I'm perfectly happy with my doctor from the Middle East,
not so happy with masses of people voting to raise my taxes,
i.e. taking from my children to give to their children.
(about a million per yr) than any other country, it is the illegals
forcing their way across the border that are the problem.
I'm perfectly happy with my doctor from the Middle East,
not so happy with masses of people voting to raise my taxes,
i.e. taking from my children to give to their children.
In 2023 73 percent of Catholic Charities funding came from the taxpayer. Thankfully, that is shifting. The government is funded by forcefully confiscated private property, and should be generally distrusted, especially in the realm of theological good such fund transfers supposedly contribute to.
Your understanding of Catholic Charity's work to support child/human trafficking and the drug gangs that profit from it is not remotely my own, and I do not support them at all, morally or otherwise. Your condescension about what I 'may not understand' notwithstanding, I hope you have a great day.
Your understanding of Catholic Charity's work to support child/human trafficking and the drug gangs that profit from it is not remotely my own, and I do not support them at all, morally or otherwise. Your condescension about what I 'may not understand' notwithstanding, I hope you have a great day.
You're a Christian Nationalist?
chap said:
You're a Christian Nationalist?
Always follow the money:
'Unaccompanied minor' jobs=tacit support for human smuggling of kids (often raped/abused during the 'journey').
To make this nondenominational, Lutheran Charities are doing the same stuff, at a smaller scale.
🚨QUESTION: How does the Revenue for the NGO the Catholic Charities nearly quadruple since the Biden Administration took over?
— Merissa Hansen⚡️ (@merissahansen17) September 9, 2024
In 2018 the Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Galveston only brought in $44 million
In 2021. the revenue for NGO blossomed to $217 million. pic.twitter.com/m5mGfNY12l
— Merissa Hansen⚡️ (@merissahansen17) September 9, 2024
'Unaccompanied minor' jobs=tacit support for human smuggling of kids (often raped/abused during the 'journey').
Look at all the refugee and unaccompanied minor job positions the catholic charities in my city is hiring atm. pic.twitter.com/7uWSf8wTKq
— Merissa Hansen⚡️ (@merissahansen17) September 9, 2024
To make this nondenominational, Lutheran Charities are doing the same stuff, at a smaller scale.
nortex97 said:
Always follow the money:🚨QUESTION: How does the Revenue for the NGO the Catholic Charities nearly quadruple since the Biden Administration took over?
— Merissa Hansen⚡️ (@merissahansen17) September 9, 2024
In 2018 the Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Galveston only brought in $44 million
In 2021. the revenue for NGO blossomed to $217 million. pic.twitter.com/m5mGfNY12l— Merissa Hansen⚡️ (@merissahansen17) September 9, 2024
'Unaccompanied minor' jobs=tacit support for human smuggling of kids (often raped/abused during the 'journey').Look at all the refugee and unaccompanied minor job positions the catholic charities in my city is hiring atm. pic.twitter.com/7uWSf8wTKq
— Merissa Hansen⚡️ (@merissahansen17) September 9, 2024
To make this nondenominational, Lutheran Charities are doing the same stuff, at a smaller scale.
Makes me sick. I knew the church was infiltrated by leftists in the 60's, but to see them purposefully using these poor people as pawns and flooding them into the US is particularly disgusting
Just so we are clear, are you saying that you are upset with the government giving money to Christian charities?
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ramblin_ag02 said:
Just so we are clear, are you saying that you are upset with the government giving money to Christian charities?
Just so we are clear, I don't see their work as Christian. In fact, it's evil. This board usually seeks a clearer separation of church and state than I, but maybe that only applies to pornographic books in school libraries.
So you object to the government giving money to Christian charities if you determine their work is evil?
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Not willing to play more semantic games with you, thanks for trying. Go ahead and post what you 'feel' instead of trying to bait me into some statement to your satisfaction. I don't think I'm real unclear.ramblin_ag02 said:
So you object to the government giving money to Christian charities if you determine their work is evil?
Well, yes, of course. Why do you even ask?ramblin_ag02 said:
So you object to the government giving money to Christian charities if you determine their work is evil?
Are you claiming that if an evil organization also does good work that it is not evil?
But you already defined your what-if organization as evil.
Your real-world question should be how we can get control of the border
and the various organizations feeding on that evil situation.
It's just a bit confusing to see people who are whole heartedly endorsing Christian Nationalism get so upset when our government is giving money to a Christian charity. So I'm trying to make sense of it, and I'm asking questions to help clear up my confusion
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As I remember it, the second Bush Admin were the ones to really push easing up separation of church and state so that funding could go to religious organizations like Catholic Charities.
Typically, what started out good has, because of money, become mixed with evil.
Edit to post a list of increasing costs including $4billion spent in Central America.
https://texasscorecard.com/federal/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-continues-to-rise/
Typically, what started out good has, because of money, become mixed with evil.
Edit to post a list of increasing costs including $4billion spent in Central America.
https://texasscorecard.com/federal/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-continues-to-rise/
Well that explains it then, you're just confused via the prism you look at others with. While you claim I apparently endorse Christian Nationalism (whatever that means), you advocate government support of evil (by definition not "Christian charity") to destroy christian communities such as Columbus Ohio with 20K Haitians (and unaccompanied minors) in the name of 'Christian charity.' Ok, I think that's absurd, and again no reason for me to try to persuade you as to your philosophical reasoning errors.ramblin_ag02 said:
It's just a bit confusing to see people who are whole heartedly endorsing Christian Nationalism get so upset when our government is giving money to a Christian charity. So I'm trying to make sense of it, and I'm asking questions to help clear up my confusion
Trump is a Christian per his own words, but he's pretty much never forced his beliefs on others, especially religious ones, as his own life and family demonstrate. Kamala Harris' purported faith and faith advisors are…much more troublesome to me, but that all is minor compared to the policies she wants to pursue which will impact all of our families for generations.
What? I have no idea what you just said.
Why is Christian charity in quotes? Catholic Charities is Christian charity. You don't like them and call them evil, so apparently in your mind Christian organizations can be evil. Yet I've seen you advocate for opening the government to be more heavily influenced by Christian and to more heavily support Christian organizations with government funds. The Catholic Charities example seems to be just that, but you are upset about it. So I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by being confused and asking questions.
If I wanted to be cynical, I'd just say that you don't like their work for purely political reasons that have nothing to do with their Christian faith. I'd also imagine that you don't really want Christianity more emeshed with government unless it applies to a specific flavor of Christian priorities that completely matches your political beliefs. If fact, I'd say that your support of "Christianity" is an empty political facade. However, I'm not being cynical. I'm confused and asking questions.
Why is Christian charity in quotes? Catholic Charities is Christian charity. You don't like them and call them evil, so apparently in your mind Christian organizations can be evil. Yet I've seen you advocate for opening the government to be more heavily influenced by Christian and to more heavily support Christian organizations with government funds. The Catholic Charities example seems to be just that, but you are upset about it. So I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by being confused and asking questions.
If I wanted to be cynical, I'd just say that you don't like their work for purely political reasons that have nothing to do with their Christian faith. I'd also imagine that you don't really want Christianity more emeshed with government unless it applies to a specific flavor of Christian priorities that completely matches your political beliefs. If fact, I'd say that your support of "Christianity" is an empty political facade. However, I'm not being cynical. I'm confused and asking questions.
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How do you know they don't want to be American? Please provide specific examples not just a blanket opinion (that works on F16, not here).
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
Your statement is false, Catholics Charities does not "support" human trafficking nor do they "support" drug gangs.
I can see the correlation between the work they do, which among other programs (natural disasters, food assistance, shelter) assisting migrants has increased along with the increase in border crossings.
Everyone likes to throw it back in people's face that support the migrant- "send them all to your house"- here is a large organization addressing the poor and marginalized in our own backyard and this is "evil"??
You're right I don't understand people like you that praise God with their lips but keep a hardened heart to their brother or sister in need.
I can see the correlation between the work they do, which among other programs (natural disasters, food assistance, shelter) assisting migrants has increased along with the increase in border crossings.
Everyone likes to throw it back in people's face that support the migrant- "send them all to your house"- here is a large organization addressing the poor and marginalized in our own backyard and this is "evil"??
You're right I don't understand people like you that praise God with their lips but keep a hardened heart to their brother or sister in need.
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
PabloSerna said:
How do you know they don't want to be American? Please provide specific examples not just a blanket opinion (that works on F16, not here).
I've seen it firsthand. I own a company in the greater St.Cloud, MN metro area; this working class blue collar 92% white region was chosen by Catholic charities to be the recipient of 22,000 Somalian refugees about 15 years ago.
They took over several of the stores in town, and bullied the whites into using only the grocery stores in the good part of town, they bullied the white kids in class (I lost 3 machinists who moved to the Bemidji area because of their kids schools), and they don't learn the language.
Its the same story with Hispanics in the border regions, the 2nd generations tend to speak English because they're so immersed in it, but the first generation immigrants still have less than 50% who speak English, even after living in the country for 20 years; because they don't need to. They recreate little ethnic enclaves that might as well be a patch of southern Mexico or Central America on US soil.
If you look at Asian American immigrants, around 30-35% say it's important for their children to know their ancestral language. For Hispanics it's 80-90%. Most of them still speak Spanish in the household.
I'll say it again, they might want a better life. But they don't want to be an American.
PabloSerna said:
Your statement is false, Catholics Charities does not "support" human trafficking nor do they "support" drug gangs.
I can see the correlation between the work they do, which among other programs (natural disasters, food assistance, shelter) assisting migrants has increased along with the increase in border crossings.
Everyone likes to throw it back in people's face that support the migrant- "send them all to your house"- here is a large organization addressing the poor and marginalized in our own backyard and this is "evil"??
You're right I don't understand people like you that praise God with their lips but keep a hardened heart to their brother or sister in need.
It's evil, even thought I'm sure many people's hearts are in the right place. Fr James Martin is participating in evil when he blesses a gay marriage when strictly told not to, even though he truly believes what he's doing is right.
These people are using immigrants as pawns in their socioeconomic war against our country. They dislike predominately white, conservative America; and are seeking to foist diversity on us.
Where are the organizations resettling White Zimbabwean farmers? White South Africans? Russians, Ukrainians, Lebanese? Why is it always Haitians, Somalians, and Central Americans?
They are using my confiscated funds to support/subsidize this trafficking, and destroy our communities alike; it's tacit support, whether or not you overtly admit to supporting them. It's certainly not charity with your money or time alone.PabloSerna said:
Your statement is false, Catholics Charities does not "support" human trafficking nor do they "support" drug gangs.
I can see the correlation between the work they do, which among other programs (natural disasters, food assistance, shelter) assisting migrants has increased along with the increase in border crossings.
Everyone likes to throw it back in people's face that support the migrant- "send them all to your house"- here is a large organization addressing the poor and marginalized in our own backyard and this is "evil"??
You're right I don't understand people like you that praise God with their lips but keep a hardened heart to their brother or sister in need.
But, maybe you can find these folks and minister to them personally.
Every time a Haitian migrant commits a crime in the US, their victim is a victim of the Biden-Harris administration.
— ib (@Indian_Bronson) September 10, 2024
When will Kamala Harris answer for any of it? pic.twitter.com/9DOeUETMmA
Here's an apartment complex in North Dallas that needs some ministry, if he's too far away. Human trafficking is nothing less than the face of evil, and that includes just meeting the traffickers and taking their victims off their hands at one end, or support for flying more violent criminals into our communities from abroad. Catholic Charities delende est. You can judge me as much as you want, I personally don't respect your faith or honesty, either.
Back when we had real 'Christian' leaders on both sides…oh, wait…
Barack Obama on illegal immigration in 2005:
— Christian Collins (@CollinsforTX) September 9, 2024
"We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country."
The same… pic.twitter.com/KlCcsM3bwE
"Grave sin"?
Is there any other kind of sin?
Misdemeanor sin v. Felony sin?
Is there any other kind of sin?
Misdemeanor sin v. Felony sin?
ramblin_ag02 said:
Just so we are clear, are you saying that you are upset with the government giving money to Christian charities?
I am upset that any governmental entity gives any money to a private charity. And I can't believe this practice has become so entrenched in our society now.
Seems a "private charity" is no longer private when it is financed by our government.
Check out Planned Parenthood and payment for trans surgery.SW AG80 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
Just so we are clear, are you saying that you are upset with the government giving money to Christian charities?
I am upset that any governmental entity gives any money to a private charity. And I can't believe this practice has become so entrenched in our society now.
Seems a "private charity" is no longer private when it is financed by our government.
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SW AG80 said:
"Grave sin"?
Is there any other kind of sin?
Misdemeanor sin v. Felony sin?
1 John 5:16-17 shows a distinction between sins that are mortal (grave) vs those that are not (venial, to use a Catholic term).
Yes that pisses me off too.
No biggie.
It's big money:
Just 'helping' those flown in on our dime en mass and dumped into a small conservative town by the tens of thousands.
But I have a 'hardened heart' for not supporting Catholic Charity's (and others) work here.
It's big money:
Catholic Charities only got $2.3 million in direct grant awards for work in Ohio, but the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services funneled another $24 million in subgrants to them.
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) July 12, 2024
Just 'helping' those flown in on our dime en mass and dumped into a small conservative town by the tens of thousands.
Kamala: "We extended Temporary Protected Status to over 100,000 Haitian Migrants... They need our support"
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) September 9, 2024
Now they're destroying Springfield, Ohio and eating the pets.pic.twitter.com/VkYrPkEG0T
11-year-old Aiden Clarke was kiIIed on his way to school in Springfield, Ohio.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) September 9, 2024
His kiIIer was a Haitian illegal alien.
DHS (Biden-Harris) let him in. pic.twitter.com/oiuiJHEBjO
But I have a 'hardened heart' for not supporting Catholic Charity's (and others) work here.
Notice that the GD aggressive colonizers didn't just bring in just a few needy people.
nortex97 said:
No biggie.
It's big money:Catholic Charities only got $2.3 million in direct grant awards for work in Ohio, but the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services funneled another $24 million in subgrants to them.
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) July 12, 2024
Just 'helping' those flown in on our dime en mass and dumped into a small conservative town by the tens of thousands.Kamala: "We extended Temporary Protected Status to over 100,000 Haitian Migrants... They need our support"
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) September 9, 2024
Now they're destroying Springfield, Ohio and eating the pets.pic.twitter.com/VkYrPkEG0T11-year-old Aiden Clarke was kiIIed on his way to school in Springfield, Ohio.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) September 9, 2024
His kiIIer was a Haitian illegal alien.
DHS (Biden-Harris) let him in. pic.twitter.com/oiuiJHEBjO
But I have a 'hardened heart' for not supporting Catholic Charity's (and others) work here.
To show you how badly white people have been guilted into a state of a self loathing; his father actually said he wished his son had been killed by an old white guy.
or he's just sick of opportunists using his son's death as an excuse to hate immigrants
barbacoa taco said:
or he's just sick of opportunists using his son's death as an excuse to hate immigrants
That would be a fantastic thing to say. I can't think of any parent saying "I wish my kid had been killed by xxxxx instead"
This is the new ultra virtue signal galore by woke parents. It has taken over from "the real victims of the recent attack by Muslims that killed 3,000 are the Muslims who will have to deal with Islamophobia" schtick
That a population of ~20k people being "injected" into a city of ~60k people (metro area of ~136k people) is not going swimmingly should not be a surprise. Further, that injected group comes from a disparate culture/religion and we shouldn't be surprised at the cultural frictions that ensue. The pearl clutching we are witnessing about the locals bringing up issues with this new migrant population is facile. The locals aren't opposed to immigrants qua immigrant. It's the quantity, especially as it relates to the population prior to the migrants' arrival. The fact that it is a significant percentage increase of people takes away the forcing function where new arrivals need to adapt to the customs of their new home. On a micro-level, this is similar to a family of 6 showing up on my doorstep claiming a right to live here because the government said as much.
I think you actually have this one right - he has been approached too many times by people wanting to use this as a political tool and is tired of saying NO.barbacoa taco said:
or he's just sick of opportunists using his son's death as an excuse to hate immigrants
He isn't the only one tired of saying NO.
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