Well this was an eye opening watch. Coincidence or God's judgement? Last night's Houston "land" hurricane; is it on this list too?
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Is the modern nation of Israel supposed to be the same as the ancient nation of Israel? Especially for Christians? What were the chosen people chosen for? I think these are serious questions Christians need to consider.
I would say that for Christian Israel is the church, not a secular state comprised of a certain race. This race was chosen to bring the messiah in the fullness of time, which has already been completed,so that purpose for what they were chosen for has been fulfilled.
What purpose does supporting the modern nation of Israel do for a Christian? We are to pray for all, friends and enemies alike, but other than that, what is owed them. Red heffers? Allegiance to the point where we fund their military and fight their wars for them? For what purpose is this? To rebuild a Temple that Our Lord had used it's destruction as a sign. To usher in the "messiah"? He has already come. For the ones who rejected the true messiah they await another who in the words of our Lord will come in his own name and not in the name of the Father, as our Lord did. So yes the man of inequity, the son of perdition himself.
I fear this is a deceitful allegiance. It seems maybe the builders who rejected the cornerstone, have convinced some followers of the cornerstone to support them to usher in a Messianic reign, which scripture tells them it's already happened. Christians will not be able to complete a list of tasks to cause the 2nd coming, and if they were success in any manner l it will be to bring in the reign of Antichrist and all that was promised with him.
I would say that for Christian Israel is the church, not a secular state comprised of a certain race. This race was chosen to bring the messiah in the fullness of time, which has already been completed,so that purpose for what they were chosen for has been fulfilled.
What purpose does supporting the modern nation of Israel do for a Christian? We are to pray for all, friends and enemies alike, but other than that, what is owed them. Red heffers? Allegiance to the point where we fund their military and fight their wars for them? For what purpose is this? To rebuild a Temple that Our Lord had used it's destruction as a sign. To usher in the "messiah"? He has already come. For the ones who rejected the true messiah they await another who in the words of our Lord will come in his own name and not in the name of the Father, as our Lord did. So yes the man of inequity, the son of perdition himself.
I fear this is a deceitful allegiance. It seems maybe the builders who rejected the cornerstone, have convinced some followers of the cornerstone to support them to usher in a Messianic reign, which scripture tells them it's already happened. Christians will not be able to complete a list of tasks to cause the 2nd coming, and if they were success in any manner l it will be to bring in the reign of Antichrist and all that was promised with him.
That's a great response and I think your take is pretty mainstream Christian conventional wisdom.
What I believe is that God's Word is 100% true. He made a covenant with Israel and He keeps His promises. I also believe you are right about the eventual coming of the antichrist.
My take is we pray for Israel, primarily to at individuals come to Christ Jesus of Nazareth. And "we" do NOT try to force a 2 state solution on Israel.
I don't know what they really "need" from us as far as beans and bullets. That whole thing may be overblown and used as a political chess piece by both sides.
But I can say there are watchmen who are deep in the scripture and the celestial patterns and timings and typologies of the Bible and its patterns that have also pointed to lots of these weather and earthquake/volcano events starting and continuing after the April 8 eclipse.
The escotologists are not surprised in the least.
But for you and I, if they are all right about the rapture occurring before the 7 years of tribulation, then the Christian body of Christ will not be here for all that Israeli prophecy to be fulfilled.
God is not done with His people of Israel yet. He has more wrath and more miracles and blessings to come for them.
My take is "don't mess with Israel, let God handle it". As in quit trying to meddle in how they handle their business. I don't know what the US is "obligated" to give them though in resources. We are destroying our country already with the Ukraine blank checks.
What I believe is that God's Word is 100% true. He made a covenant with Israel and He keeps His promises. I also believe you are right about the eventual coming of the antichrist.
My take is we pray for Israel, primarily to at individuals come to Christ Jesus of Nazareth. And "we" do NOT try to force a 2 state solution on Israel.
I don't know what they really "need" from us as far as beans and bullets. That whole thing may be overblown and used as a political chess piece by both sides.
But I can say there are watchmen who are deep in the scripture and the celestial patterns and timings and typologies of the Bible and its patterns that have also pointed to lots of these weather and earthquake/volcano events starting and continuing after the April 8 eclipse.
The escotologists are not surprised in the least.
But for you and I, if they are all right about the rapture occurring before the 7 years of tribulation, then the Christian body of Christ will not be here for all that Israeli prophecy to be fulfilled.
God is not done with His people of Israel yet. He has more wrath and more miracles and blessings to come for them.
My take is "don't mess with Israel, let God handle it". As in quit trying to meddle in how they handle their business. I don't know what the US is "obligated" to give them though in resources. We are destroying our country already with the Ukraine blank checks.
So God decides to smite Houston, which is in one of the most pro-Israel states of the US, which is the most pro-Israel country on Earth, for lack of support for Israel. Meanwhile, Iran is literally shooting rockets at Israel and just chilling out
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jrico2727 said:
Is the modern nation of Israel supposed to be the same as the ancient nation of Israel? Especially for Christians? What were the chosen people chosen for? I think these are serious questions Christians need to consider.
I would say that for Christian Israel is the church, not a secular state comprised of a certain race. This race was chosen to bring the messiah in the fullness of time, which has already been completed,so that purpose for what they were chosen for has been fulfilled.
What purpose does supporting the modern nation of Israel do for a Christian? We are to pray for all, friends and enemies alike, but other than that, what is owed them. Red heffers? Allegiance to the point where we fund their military and fight their wars for them? For what purpose is this? To rebuild a Temple that Our Lord had used it's destruction as a sign. To usher in the "messiah"? He has already come. For the ones who rejected the true messiah they await another who in the words of our Lord will come in his own name and not in the name of the Father, as our Lord did. So yes the man of inequity, the son of perdition himself.
I fear this is a deceitful allegiance. It seems maybe the builders who rejected the cornerstone, have convinced some followers of the cornerstone to support them to usher in a Messianic reign, which scripture tells them it's already happened. Christians will not be able to complete a list of tasks to cause the 2nd coming, and if they were success in any manner l it will be to bring in the reign of Antichrist and all that was promised with him.
*evangelical screeching noises*
ramblin_ag02 said:
So God decides to smite Houston, which is in one of the most pro-Israel states of the US, which is the most pro-Israel country on Earth, for lack of support for Israel. Meanwhile, Iran is literally shooting rockets at Israel and just chilling out
Maybe God's not blessing Iran as much as you think he is?
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Be better than this.
Zobel said:
Be better than this.
That's not a troll or wishful thinking. News channels are reporting their helicopter crashed. Not sure any final, official announcement has been made.
So now helicopter crashes in clear skies are acts of God? Shoot rockets at Israel and 4 people die in a mechanical accident. Have a small protest in Houston though, and He will summon a giant, indiscriminate deadly storm. Sounds about right? Do you even think about this nonsense before agreeing?
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My critique was not because I assumed you were wishing harm on someone. It's because it's a really stupid argument and you should feel bad for making it.
Blaming a one off storm in Houston on not liking Israel enough is exactly as dumb as "Jewish space lasers"
Zobel said:
My critique was not because I assumed you were wishing harm on someone. It's because it's a really stupid argument and you should feel bad for making it.
I see. Well then I'm pretty amazed at anyone's faith in themselves and their own knowledge and wisdom that they know for sure that God would not act or send forth events that result in direct events on this earth even today.
I have NO idea if God's will was for that helicopter to go down. NO idea if the multi-state land hurricane was part of some judgement or signal for repentance.
Personally, I have completely submitted and surrendered my own comprehension and judgement of how and why God decides what He decides. All I know is He is the omnipotent, all powerful creator of the universe. The insight we have into how He operates is through the Bible using the Holy Spirit as our helper for true understanding.
We all want to know the mind of God. We all want to know the "why" of events like these. It takes even more faith to say "you're an idiot to think God's hand was in this or that". How does anyone really know?
We lean to a point on our own understanding but in the end Jesus warned us to have faith like little children. Whether God's hand was in this or that, praise almighty God, whatever the case may be.
If you have NO idea what on earth is the point of the discussion?
You seem pretty adamant in your first couple of posts.
I on the other hand and extremely confident that these are NOT related to opposing Zionism because the modern nation state of Israel is emphatically not the Israel of the scriptures. The scriptures say all the promises relating to the land made were fulfilled - twice.
You seem pretty adamant in your first couple of posts.
I on the other hand and extremely confident that these are NOT related to opposing Zionism because the modern nation state of Israel is emphatically not the Israel of the scriptures. The scriptures say all the promises relating to the land made were fulfilled - twice.
That's dumb. God has a very defined method for punishing people with disasters. He doesn't make them guess that maybe they did something to make him mad. That's idiotic pagan thinking. God sends prophets with impeccably miraculous credentials to let people know when He punishes them and exactly why. Your desire to throw up your hands in befuddlement saying "well it could be due to anti-Zionism" is ridiculous. It could also be due to the attorney general in Houston hiding capital murder evidence in his garage. "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace."
Even more so, you are directly sinning against the 3rd Commandment. "Do not take my name in vain." You have no idea if God sent horrible storms to Houston, or what reason he had even it He did. Yet you are using God's name to draw attention to yourself and your political position without His direct instruction or permission. You are calling on the name of God solely out of vanity, which is exactly what the 3rd Commandment forbids.
Even more so, you are directly sinning against the 3rd Commandment. "Do not take my name in vain." You have no idea if God sent horrible storms to Houston, or what reason he had even it He did. Yet you are using God's name to draw attention to yourself and your political position without His direct instruction or permission. You are calling on the name of God solely out of vanity, which is exactly what the 3rd Commandment forbids.
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I know that you do not believe modern Israel is in any way connected to the covenant God made with Abraham, but do you believe there is a future time where God allows the world to come against a Jewish state as part of his final restoration plan to Jews?
Jews are Judaeans, at least that's what the word in the scriptures means. Thats not the same thing as Israel. The promises in the scriptures are about a restored Israel, not a restored Judah.
Biblical prophecy is clear that Israel is a sovereign nation before the second coming of Christ. If it's not the current country of Israel, when are where will this occupation be? (Not trying to be combative, maybe I'm just not understanding your perception of Israel).
What biblical prophecy are you referring to?
Jim Hogg is angry said:
I know that you do not believe modern Israel is in any way connected to the covenant God made with Abraham, but do you believe there is a future time where God allows the world to come against a Jewish state as part of his final restoration plan to Jews?
The good news is that the final restoration plan for the Jews was 2,000 years ago and is available to them now. It's the same promise made to the Muslims, the atheists, the Buddhists and everyone else. Christ is Risen, he is the salvation of the world.
Serviam said:Jim Hogg is angry said:
I know that you do not believe modern Israel is in any way connected to the covenant God made with Abraham, but do you believe there is a future time where God allows the world to come against a Jewish state as part of his final restoration plan to Jews?
The good news is that the final restoration plan for the Jews was 2,000 years ago and is available to them now. It's the same promise made to the Muslims, the atheists, the Buddhists and everyone else. Christ is Risen, he is the salvation of the world.
100% agreed on the only acceptable means of atonement being the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, available to whosoever that believeth on Him. I also believe there's a future time coming (Jeremiah 30:7, the time of Jacob's trouble) which will be the culmination of the 7 years remaining from Daniel 9:24-27). This is a specific redemption of Israel, separate from the church age.
ramblin_ag02 said:
That's dumb. God has a very defined method for punishing people with disasters. He doesn't make them guess that maybe they did something to make him mad. That's idiotic pagan thinking. God sends prophets with impeccably miraculous credentials to let people know when He punishes them and exactly why. Your desire to throw up your hands in befuddlement saying "well it could be due to anti-Zionism" is ridiculous. It could also be due to the attorney general in Houston hiding capital murder evidence in his garage. "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace."
Even more so, you are directly sinning against the 3rd Commandment. "Do not take my name in vain." You have no idea if God sent horrible storms to Houston, or what reason he had even it He did. Yet you are using God's name to draw attention to yourself and your political position without His direct instruction or permission. You are calling on the name of God solely out of vanity, which is exactly what the 3rd Commandment forbids.
Wow now I'm sinning and making this all about me? Seems to me like a lot of projection on your part. Why all the hostility? I found a compelling interview on YouTube with a premise I had never seen before, and shared it asking for others' thoughts. I tend to agree with the findings from what I've seen so far.
You seem to be a major goal tender and self righteous authority on here. I'm new to this board and you are not. I'm getting the feeling this board is more about denominational infighting and supremacy than a respectful forum for sharing ideas and well intentioned debate.
Seems like there are a lot more Pharisees on here than disciples. I will pray for you. I hope you pray for me in retaliation so we both win.
I still have no idea how I've taken the Lord's name in vain. And from a political standpoint I didn't divulge my political views. The video, had you watched it, points out party affiliation is of no consequence between policy action and subsequent storm event. I am a Trump voter through and through but I vote for his policies and not his ego, if you care to know. So if you're a Biden voter I guess I understand your vitriol against me.
I'll go back to my childlike faith and leave this board. I don't think I'll find the thoughtful discussion I was looking for; instead just more backhanded judgement and personal attacks. That really doesn't help me grow at all. Hope you had a fruitful Pentecost. I will blasphemously be celebrating the one on June 11, naughty Christian that I am. I'm sure that's some kind of sin too.
"If you don't agree with me you think God is blessing Iran and you probably voted for Biden and I don't want to talk to you anymore anyway"
I think it is important to note that in the scriptures Judah and Israel are not the same thing, and in that Jeremiah passage you have Judah, Israel, and Jacob. They aren't poetic synonyms.
Ten of the twelve tribes split into the northern kingdom, fell into apostasy, and were destroyed and scattered into the nations. Thats Israel.
Judah and Benjamin, along with a remnant of the Levites, remained as Judah. They were ultimately exiled for their faithlessness but were restored - these are the Judaeans of the scriptures and their descendants (ethnically, genetically, and culturally) are the modern Jews.
In that passage we see the restoration of both Judah and Israel. The modern nation state of Israel makes no claim whatsoever to restoring the ten tribes. They no longer exist. Israel is Jews, Judaeans. So I ask - how can that be applicable?
In the NT, however, we see St Paul and the Apostles understanding that the gentile converts coming to worship the God and Messiah of Israel were reconstituting the lost tribes. Those tribes were scattered into the nations, and as the nations return to God those tribes are restored through them. All Israel cannot exclusively be Jews, in the sense of descended from Judaeans.
Ten of the twelve tribes split into the northern kingdom, fell into apostasy, and were destroyed and scattered into the nations. Thats Israel.
Judah and Benjamin, along with a remnant of the Levites, remained as Judah. They were ultimately exiled for their faithlessness but were restored - these are the Judaeans of the scriptures and their descendants (ethnically, genetically, and culturally) are the modern Jews.
In that passage we see the restoration of both Judah and Israel. The modern nation state of Israel makes no claim whatsoever to restoring the ten tribes. They no longer exist. Israel is Jews, Judaeans. So I ask - how can that be applicable?
In the NT, however, we see St Paul and the Apostles understanding that the gentile converts coming to worship the God and Messiah of Israel were reconstituting the lost tribes. Those tribes were scattered into the nations, and as the nations return to God those tribes are restored through them. All Israel cannot exclusively be Jews, in the sense of descended from Judaeans.
Daniel 9:27 is a future event. Also, Revelation 7 lists each tribe by name, servants from all twelve being used by God to evangelize the truth of Jesus Christ during the time of Jacob's (Israel) trouble. It seems you're inserting a replacement theology of sorts by stating this is / was being fulfilled by Gentile believers.
No replacement. Fulfillment. And revelation leaves out one tribe, which is a clue.
There is a historical interpretation of the text. From the USCCB
From the utterance…to be rebuilt: from the time of Jeremiah's prophecy. Anointed ruler: either Cyrus, who was called the anointed of the Lord to end the exile (Is 45:1), or the high priest Jeshua who presided over the rebuilding of the altar of sacrifice after the exile (Ezr 3:2). Seven weeks: forty-nine years, an approximation of the time of the exile. In the course of sixty-two weeks…rebuilt: a period of four hundred thirty-four years, roughly approximating the interval between the rebuilding of Jerusalem after the exile and the beginning of the Seleucid persecution.
* [9:26] An anointed one: the high priest Onias III, murdered in 171 B.C., from which the author dates the beginning of the persecution. Onias was in exile when he was killed. A leader: Antiochus IV.
* [9:27] One week: the final phase of the period in view, the time of Antiochus' persecution. He: Antiochus himself. The many: the faithless Jews who allied themselves with the Seleucids; cf. 1 Mc 1:1113. Half the week: three and a half years; the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus from 167 to 164 B.C. The desolating abomination: see note on 8:13; probably a pagan altar. Jesus refers to this passage in his prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem in Mt 24:15.
From the utterance…to be rebuilt: from the time of Jeremiah's prophecy. Anointed ruler: either Cyrus, who was called the anointed of the Lord to end the exile (Is 45:1), or the high priest Jeshua who presided over the rebuilding of the altar of sacrifice after the exile (Ezr 3:2). Seven weeks: forty-nine years, an approximation of the time of the exile. In the course of sixty-two weeks…rebuilt: a period of four hundred thirty-four years, roughly approximating the interval between the rebuilding of Jerusalem after the exile and the beginning of the Seleucid persecution.
* [9:26] An anointed one: the high priest Onias III, murdered in 171 B.C., from which the author dates the beginning of the persecution. Onias was in exile when he was killed. A leader: Antiochus IV.
* [9:27] One week: the final phase of the period in view, the time of Antiochus' persecution. He: Antiochus himself. The many: the faithless Jews who allied themselves with the Seleucids; cf. 1 Mc 1:1113. Half the week: three and a half years; the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus from 167 to 164 B.C. The desolating abomination: see note on 8:13; probably a pagan altar. Jesus refers to this passage in his prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem in Mt 24:15.
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* [9:27] One week: the final phase of the period in view, the time of Antiochus' persecution. He: Antiochus himself. The many: the faithless Jews who allied themselves with the Seleucids; cf. 1 Mc 1:1113. Half the week: three and a half years; the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus from 167 to 164 B.C. The desolating abomination: see note on 8:13; probably a pagan altar. Jesus refers to this passage in his prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem in Mt 24:15.
I respectfully disagree with the preterest view. The first verse of Matthew 24 is the disciples showing Christ the buildings of the temple, and in the second verse Christ foretells of the Romans destroying the temple in 70 AD. Those two verses are separate from the rest of the chapter. Verse 3 begins the Olivet Discourse and the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of the age and of his second coming. The abomination of desolation in Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15 is a specific person.
@ Zobel, I'm aware of the Tribe of Dan being omitted from the sealed tribes of Revelation 7 and Jospeh listed instead. I do not know why, and my attempt to explain such would be purely eisegetical. I have seen declarations that the antiChrist will come from the Tribe of Dan (I do not necessarily believe this), as well as the tribe being grossly assimilated into pagan culture and loss of national identity. I'm not sure what clue their being omitted provides, what do you think?
You have openly admitted that you don't have any clue about God's intentions or plans, whether or not God sent a deadly storm to Houston for a specific purpose, or what that purpose could have been. And yet you come to a message board to post and endorse a video saying that God intentionally and specifically punished Houston due to the people of Houston taking the political stance of anti-Zionism. So you invoked the name of God, told us what He did, and told us why He did it, when you admittedly have no knowledge about any such thing.Quote:
I still have no idea how I've taken the Lord's name in vain.
Can you honestly say that you invoked God and His wrath in order to honor or glorify Him? Nothing in your post does any of that. Using God's name and providence in any other way is sinful.
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I'll go back to my childlike faith and leave this board. I don't think I'll find the thoughtful discussion I was looking for; instead just more backhanded judgement and personal attacks. That really doesn't help me grow at all. Hope you had a fruitful Pentecost. I will blasphemously be celebrating the one on June 11, naughty Christian that I am. I'm sure that's some kind of sin.
I'm not a regular here, but do drop in every so often to see if there's any interesting content. I enjoy reading and seeing different people's takes on things, so hope you'll still post things here. I was born again about 15 years ago and was attending a pragmatic mega church, so unfortunately not a lot of theological discussion or genuine discipleship. I came here looking for evangelism tips and was sorely disappointed. There's still a few encouraging believers that I've encountered on this forum, not here just to win an internet debate. This place definitely isn't of the iron sharpening iron mindset, but there are a few brothers in Christ whose contributions are worth reading (and others that I might disagree with, but appreciate the exchange of ideas nonetheless). In short, keep posting because there is a minority here that appreciates new contributions.
(If nothing more, this place is good for a trial run when you're witnessing to others and need to rely on Biblical apologetics)
Anyway, I'll show myself to the door and gracefully bow out of this thread.
Dan basically is the worst, we should understand from St John that they fell.
But the point remains - ALL of the northern tribes are gone gone. They can't be "replaced" because they don't exist. What St Paul writes about is their reconstitution. He tells gentile Christians that those who followed Moses in the desert were their fathers. Gentile Christians are part of Israel, grafted in alongside the remaining natural branches of Judah and Benjamin and Levi. And it is in this grafting in that the northern tribes, lost to the gentiles, are reconstituted. When you graft in, the grafted branches retain their fruit or color or shape - St Paul uses this analogy aptly because the gentiles being grafted in retain their identities as gentiles, they are Greek Christians, Scythian Christians, Roman Christians right there alongside Jewish (literally Judaean) Christians, the natural branch. And they do not become circumcised and keep the Torah as Judaeans do, because they would then not be what they are but instead become Judaeans.
And this is exactly the means through which Israel saves the whole world - not just Judah.
So, without these ten tribes, how can the modern nation state of Israel be the Israel St John sees which has all of the tribes reconstituted? It is just the descendants of Judah. The prophecies are about All Israel. The Apostles saw the gentiles coming to Christ at Pentecost and afterward as the indicator that we are in the age of the fulfillment of these prophecies.
But the point remains - ALL of the northern tribes are gone gone. They can't be "replaced" because they don't exist. What St Paul writes about is their reconstitution. He tells gentile Christians that those who followed Moses in the desert were their fathers. Gentile Christians are part of Israel, grafted in alongside the remaining natural branches of Judah and Benjamin and Levi. And it is in this grafting in that the northern tribes, lost to the gentiles, are reconstituted. When you graft in, the grafted branches retain their fruit or color or shape - St Paul uses this analogy aptly because the gentiles being grafted in retain their identities as gentiles, they are Greek Christians, Scythian Christians, Roman Christians right there alongside Jewish (literally Judaean) Christians, the natural branch. And they do not become circumcised and keep the Torah as Judaeans do, because they would then not be what they are but instead become Judaeans.
And this is exactly the means through which Israel saves the whole world - not just Judah.
So, without these ten tribes, how can the modern nation state of Israel be the Israel St John sees which has all of the tribes reconstituted? It is just the descendants of Judah. The prophecies are about All Israel. The Apostles saw the gentiles coming to Christ at Pentecost and afterward as the indicator that we are in the age of the fulfillment of these prophecies.
A land hurricane in Houston. As a meteorologist that is hilarious in its "facepalmyness".
Derechos, bow echos and severe weather in May in Texas…weird!
If anti Zionism and natural disasters is a thing, CA, OR, WA, DC, Philly, NY, every liberal arts college, women's college and ivy league school should be reduced to a smoking pile of cinders.
Derechos, bow echos and severe weather in May in Texas…weird!
If anti Zionism and natural disasters is a thing, CA, OR, WA, DC, Philly, NY, every liberal arts college, women's college and ivy league school should be reduced to a smoking pile of cinders.
The whole idea that God would punish a geographic location with a natural disaster for predominant political views is really strange and off-putting. And of all the cities out there he picks Houston?
barbacoa taco said:
The whole idea that God would punish a geographic location with a natural disaster for predominant political views is really strange and off-putting. And of all the cities out there he picks Houston?
Living in Houston should be punishment enough!
I'm reminded of back in 2005 when George W. Bush said that Israel was going to a withdraw from the Gaza Strip "come hell or high water".
And then not long afterwards, Hurricane Katrina hit, making Bush's words accidentally prophetic. It was the beginning of Bush's downfall as he got accused of doing too little to help New Orleans.
Coincidence? Yeah, probably. But I've heard Zionists comment on it.
And then not long afterwards, Hurricane Katrina hit, making Bush's words accidentally prophetic. It was the beginning of Bush's downfall as he got accused of doing too little to help New Orleans.
Coincidence? Yeah, probably. But I've heard Zionists comment on it.
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