Removing the Latin word for "faithless" from our Good Friday prayers in 1959 wasn't enough, now the Gospel of Matthew has to have a trigger warning lest it encourage "anti-semitism".

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/the-usccbs-good-friday-pastoral-note

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The U.S. bishops' conference announced recently that it will require a pastoral note on antisemitism to be placed in worship aids and pew missals ahead of all Good Friday passion narratives, beginning this year.

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The USCCB is normally pretty resistant to woke pressures but bent the knee pretty quickly in this instance.

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Why the new USCCB pastoral note? And why now? What was the process to create the note?
The Pillar spoke with Rebecca Cohen, program and research specialist of the USCCB's Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs.
That interview is below. It has been edited for length and clarity.

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I'm sure Ms Cohen's heart is in the right place but until someone gets the Jews to remove the section of their Talmud that calls Jesus a sorcerer and says he is burning in excrement for eternity it's hard to take their wailing seriously

Couple things:
Do you know what the Talmud is?
Do you realize what you're citing is not some agreed upon piece of theology or even agreed on that it refers to Jesus?
Do you realize there is no eternal Hell in Judaism?
Do you think maybe the history of antisemitism and violence linked to the Passion narrative coupled with the recent rise in antisemitism might be driving this change?
Do you think the history of violence towards Jews by Christians far outweighs any anger towards Christians you may find in random snippets of Jewish texts?

The Catholic admonishment to not blame "The Jews", current Jews, or all Jews of Christ's time for Christ's crucifixion has been around for awhile.

But this directive is most definitely related to current events

The question is why is it necessary? The Catholic Church and it's members are hardly a source of the uptick in anti-semitism post Hamas slaughter

Said uptick would be courtesy of pro-Palestinian activists and protesters, clueless leftist academics and students, and a variety other dimwits

There are something like 1.4 billion Catholics in the world and maybe 70 million in the US. Safe to say there are at least a few for whom the message is appropriate. Also, there are plenty of far right activists who have been using the war in Gaza to drive antisemitism and raise their own profiles.

Sapper Redux said:

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There are something like 1.4 billion Catholics in the world and maybe 70 million in the US. Safe to say there are at least a few for whom the message is appropriate. Also, there are plenty of far right activists who have been using the war in Gaza to drive antisemitism and raise their own profiles.

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sure, Sapper.

Yes, there are. Just on social media you have people like Jackson Hinkle and Nick Fuentes with Musk himself occasionally promoting antisemitic rhetoric. You had far right extremists, including known Neo-Nazis, using antisemitic language out in the open at CPAC. It's not just a left wing issue.

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Yes, there are. Just on social media you have people like Jackson Hinkle and Nick Fuentes with Musk himself occasionally promoting antisemitic rhetoric. You had far right extremists, including known Neo-Nazis, using antisemitic language out in the open at CPAC. It's not just a left wing issue.

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Except it is almost entirely a left wing issue

Your approach is no different than taking advantage of the situation where some idiot goes off, and using it to declare domestic terrorism, based on white supremacy as the number one threat to everything known to mankind

All the while, ignoring the mass of destruction, death, crime, and mayhem of domestic blue cities, and Islamic terrorism worldwide

Oh, oh … but there may be "some" Catholics who need this directive

WTF is wrong with you?

This is a discussion about a message from Catholic leadership to Catholics. There are plenty of Catholics across the political spectrum. There are a number of "trad caths" who tend to follow the old extremes. The idea that there aren't Catholics who need to hear a message like this in an era of heightened tensions and rising antisemitism during a period in the Christian calendar that has historically been drenched in antisemitism is willfully blind.

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Yes, there are. Just on social media you have people like Jackson Hinkle and Nick Fuentes with Musk himself occasionally promoting antisemitic rhetoric. You had far right extremists, including known Neo-Nazis, using antisemitic language out in the open at CPAC. It's not just a left wing issue.

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This is why it's hard to take people like you seriously. Elon Musk a promoter of neo-Nazi rhetoric? I'm old enough to remember the days when George W Bush was literally Hitler, followed by Paul Ryan, then Mitt Romney, then John McCain of course then Donald Trump.

We killed the Nazis 80 years ago, they are no longer a threat. I doubt Elon Musk and Jackson Hinkle have darkened the door of a Catholic Church in their lives so assuredly there's a much better way of going about things than aggressive flyering campaigns in Churches on our most solemn day of the year.

Sure. Nazis are gone.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna140335

And yes, Musk has promoted antisemitism.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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Sure. Nazis are gone.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna140335

And yes, Musk has promoted antisemitism.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html

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They're gone, they're dead, they are no threat to anyone. It's easy to make it look like Nazis are everywhere if you just label random people "Nazis".

The same with anti-semitism; it is the current "en-vogue" term to call someone so you don't have to engage in critical thinking. Many of Harvey Weinstein's accusers who were literally raped by the guy were accused of "anti-semitism" for claiming they were raped. The same with the Musk quote above, none of it was anti-Semitic. But, if you label everything anti-Semitic you can keep the woke gravy train going.

The ADL has gone from $57,000,000 in total revenues in 2015 to $113,00,000 in 2022. The Nazi bogeyman is good for business.

The Musk quote was absolutely antisemitic. And yes, Neo-Nazis still exist and still spread violence. They aren't hiding it. They aren't shy. And there are more and more groups promoting that kind of violence or threatening violence.

Nazis are a threat to the world about as much as flat earthers are a threat to science.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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Nazis are a threat to the world about as much as flat earthers are a threat to science.

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Fascist nationalism is absolutely enjoying a renaissance currently.

Sapper Redux said:

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The Musk quote was absolutely antisemitic. And yes, Neo-Nazis still exist and still spread violence. They aren't hiding it. They aren't shy. And there are more and more groups promoting that kind of violence or threatening violence.

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It's such a huge problem, they're having to do most of the work themselves it appears after a cursory search of google. Now I will grant you Mr.Hussein likely isn't Jewish, however I'm guessing he has about as much chance of being found in a temple as he does a Chapel.

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This is a discussion about a message from Catholic leadership to Catholics. There are plenty of Catholics across the political spectrum. There are a number of "trad caths" who tend to follow the old extremes. The idea that there aren't Catholics who need to hear a message like this in an era of heightened tensions and rising antisemitism during a period in the Christian calendar that has historically been drenched in antisemitism is willfully blind.

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Lololol... Trad Caths... Lololol... FBI memos... Lololol...

Who are these trad caths and what is their relationship with the USCCB?

wait, is musk on the political right now? His whole thing is that he's a democratic voter whose party has moved too far left to be rationally followed, I dont think anyone can honestly consider that to be right wing. No right wingers voted for joe biden (like musk did), however right wingers did vote for a candidate anyone would have considered a political moderate 10 minutes ago if he wasnt "literally hitler"

Sapper Redux said:

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This is a discussion about a message from Catholic leadership to Catholics. There are plenty of Catholics across the political spectrum. There are a number of "trad caths" who tend to follow the old extremes. The idea that there aren't Catholics who need to hear a message like this in an era of heightened tensions and rising antisemitism during a period in the Christian calendar that has historically been drenched in antisemitism is willfully blind.

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Can you define "trad caths"?

Edit: and what old extremes? This narrative is idiotic. You just made this up.

Sapper explaining trad cath to trad carths is peak R&P action

That's sounds suspiciously like the kind of definition the SPLC would use, but okay. So no one in full communion can be a trad cath then? Are you thinking SSPX parishes are going to use these worship aids and missalettes because the USCCB mandated it?

Zobel said:

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Sapper explaining trad cath to trad carths is peak R&P action

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Right up there with you explaining Judaism to Jews.

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Nazis are a threat to the world about as much as flat earthers are a threat to science.

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Fascist nationalism is absolutely enjoying a renaissance currently.

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Someone explain to me what fascism is. It seems to be some sort of loose label people throw at certain right wing groups when they actually try and do something about Marxism. It doesn't seem to exist in a vacuum, it seems to only arise as a reaction to Marxism. Would seem to me that the easiest way to smother fascism in its cradle would be "stop trying to push Marxism on countries that don't want it" but the Marxists don't seem to be ok with that.

Ostensibly, if you start raping nuns and burning down churches, like in Spain, or beggar a country and then promote all manner of ridiculous degeneracy like in Weimar Germany, or try to rig an election so the Communists sweep office like in Chile, you're going to piss off the wrong people who are going to decide "desperate times call for desperate measures"

I've often wondered if the reason the left and the media specifically try to make everyone scared of "fascism" is because fascism has been the only thing that has actually worked at stopping their machinations over the last 300 years.

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wait, is musk on the political right now? His whole thing is that he's a democratic voter whose party has moved too far left to be rationally followed, I dont think anyone can honestly consider that to be right wing. No right wingers voted for joe biden (like musk did), however right wingers did vote for a candidate anyone would have considered a political moderate 10 minutes ago if he wasnt "literally hitler"

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Stuff like this always makes me lol. I almost choked on my Diet Coke the first time I heard "noted far right activist Joe Rogan".

So if people just keep the oppressive systems in place and abide by what fascists want, you won't need to murder them all… that's your argument?

Sapper Redux said:

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So if people just keep the oppressive systems in place and abide by what fascists want, you won't need to murder them all… that's your argument?

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Yes, if you consider "what fascists want" to be churches not being destroyed and nuns not being raped.

DeProfundis said:

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Removing the Latin word for "faithless" from our Good Friday prayers in 1959 wasn't enough, now the Gospel of Matthew has to have a trigger warning lest it encourage "anti-semitism".

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/the-usccbs-good-friday-pastoral-note

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The U.S. bishops' conference announced recently that it will require a pastoral note on antisemitism to be placed in worship aids and pew missals ahead of all Good Friday passion narratives, beginning this year.

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The USCCB is normally pretty resistant to woke pressures but bent the knee pretty quickly in this instance.

Quote:

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Why the new USCCB pastoral note? And why now? What was the process to create the note?
The Pillar spoke with Rebecca Cohen, program and research specialist of the USCCB's Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs.
That interview is below. It has been edited for length and clarity.

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I'm sure Ms Cohen's heart is in the right place but until someone gets the Jews to remove the section of their Talmud that calls Jesus a sorcerer and says he is burning in excrement for eternity it's hard to take their wailing seriously

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For the uninitiated, the relevant prayer being said at more 99% of Catholic churches on Good Friday:

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Let us pray also for the Jewish people, to whom the Lord our God spoke first, that He may grant them to advance in love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant (…)

Almighty ever-living God, who bestowed your promises on Abraham and his descendants, hear graciously the prayers of your Church, that the people you first made your own may attain the fullness of redemption (…)

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Clearly, a warning is warranted such that we don't decend into the depths 4chan, telegram, and more.

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So if people just keep the oppressive systems in place and abide by what fascists want, you won't need to murder them all… that's your argument?

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Yes, if you consider "what fascists want" to be churches not being destroyed and nuns not being raped.

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The atrocities in Spain happened after the military and fascists launched an attempted coup and began a civil war. Would you like to go through the atrocities Franco's forces committed?

Is it not possible to just leave Jews alone?