Cromwell gets an update

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London Gazette November 2, 1745


https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/8481/page/8

Ireland
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Kindred Spirits in the Netherlands

"Criticism of London's policies towards the American colonies merged with criticism of the government in The Hague, and the adoption of the ideas of the rebels enriched the progressive discourse of Enlightenment in the Netherlands. Joan Derk van der Capellen (17411784) , a leader of the Dutch Patriots, translated one of the most important critical pamphlets from Britain, The Fall of Liberty by Richard Price (17231791) , into the local language in order to arouse sympathy for the American cause sympathies which he knew could easily be transferred to the cause of the Dutch opposition. John Adams (17351826) , the American ambassador to the Netherlands, managed to profit from this constellation: the Patriots used the events in America that he represented in order to create popular topics and images to strengthen their own position, and he himself supported the Patriots, which in turn created a pro-American public mood.52"

http://ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/european-media/european-media-events/american-revolution


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https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1750-01-01/1799-12-31?basicsearch=prebyterian%20war&somesearch=prebyterian%20war&exactsearch=false&retrievecountrycounts=false

On the growing disinters in the British empire by Parliament in1772.


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More on the American dissenters as discussed in Parliament in 1772. Speaking of John Locke on the previous page…


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No wonder many Anglican Priests gave up their pulpit to serve in the Revolutionary War.

From the same article above. First couple of sentences…
1772



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The discussion in Parliament keeps getting better. Same source as above.


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And Sapper you should like this one. Presbyterians were for religious liberty even for Jews that was against the British Constitution. 1772 discussion of the dissenters in the British Empire.

Same article as the above as well.
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No newspaper clippings in England? Sapper asserted that the American War was never called the Presbyterian War or Rebellion?

Government schools need to pay attention that this American Revolution was a Religious War. It was nothing like the French Revolution which put to the guillotine over 100 thousand devout Catholic. Thanks Voltaire…

I submit this as well to the schools of the people.







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Newspaper: Sherborne Mercury
Country: Dorset, England
January 1766

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Newspaper: Derby Mercury
County: Derbyshire, England
February 1776
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Presbyterians still rightfully blamed for the American War. Presbyterians blamed for allowing Catholics and our soldiers to partake in Roman Mass.

Newspaper: Northampton Mercury
County: Northampton, England
February 1782
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Anger after the war for Presbyterians in Parliament for passing laws to give Roman Catholics rights in Britain.

Aria's Birmingham Gazette
Warwickshire, England
1792
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Congratulations given to Calvinist Congregationalists and Presbyterians for winning the war against Great Britain.

Gazette of the United States
October 1789
Pennsylvania USA

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Look here who led the way against the Stamp Act of 1766.

Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette
Somerset, England
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House of Commons
Newspaper: Leeds Intellegencer
Yorkshire, England
March 1777


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Showing this emerging Presbyterian War in 1767 that we often call the American Revolution.

Aria's Birmingham Gazette
Warwickshire, England
May 1767
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The Irish Presbyterians also in the fight. Don't hear much about this contribution to our Glorious Revolution Part 2.

Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex, England
March 1784
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"The People of England continuously roar for war."
And the Presbyterian problem and cause for war.
A report from the House of Commons…

Kentish Gazette
Kent, England
November 1771

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I'm gonna put this in order one day.
This report is published in December of 1776.
Caledonian Mercury
Midlothian, Scotland
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Caledonian Mercury
Midlothian, Scotland
July 1775
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Loyalist were dealt with…

Ipswich Journal
Suffolk, England
March 1779

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Leeds Intelligenser
Yorkshire, England
January 1777
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The Scots Magazine
Midlothian, Scotland
January 1775
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Parliament
The Scots Magazine
Midlothian, Scotland
May 1779
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The Scots Magazine
Midlothian, Scotland
March 1779

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Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex, England
October 1783

Calls America; Presbyterian soil


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Kentish Gazette
Kent, England
August 1780

Some Loyalists defeat Calvinists.


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Ipswich Journal
Suffolk, England
January 1777
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In a lecture given by Philip Schaff in 1854, he stated:

The religious character of North America, viewed as a whole, is predominantly of the Reformed or Calvinistic stamp…To obtain a clear view of the enormous influence which Calvin's personality, moral earnestness, and legislative genius, have exerted on history, you must go to Scotland and to the United States. Philip Schaff, America: A Sketch of the Political, Social, and Religious Character of the United States of North America (1855), pp. 111-112

Shaff was German Reformed…


W. Melancthon Glasgow, referencing the great American historian George Bancroft, says:

{"Mr. Bancroft says: 'The first public voice in America for dissolving all connection with Great Britain came not from the Puritans of New England, the Dutch of New York, nor the Planters of Virginia, but from the Scotch-Irish PRESBYTERIANS of the Carolinas.' He evidently refers to the influence of Rev. Alexander Craighead and the Mecklenburg Declaration: and this influence was due to the meeting of the Covenanters of Octorara, where in 1743, they denounced in a public manner the policy of George the Second, renewed the Covenants, swore with uplifted swords that they would defend their lives and their property against all attack and confiscation, and their consciences should be kept free from the tyrannical burden of Episcopacy....It is now difficult to tell whether Donald Cargill, Hezekiah Balch or Thomas Jefferson wrote the National Declaration of American Independence, for in sentiment it is the same as the "Queensferry Paper" and the Mecklenburg Declaration." W. Melancthon Glasgow, History of the Reformed Presbyterian Church in America (1888), pp. 65-67}
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We had Reformed Anglicans like Wilberforce and Presbyterians working both sides of the war in the old country of Great Britain. That is also an aspect of the war that goes untold.
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Here is the start of an Ulster-Presbyterian history that may interest some.



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TheGreatEscape said:

We had Reformed Anglicans like Wilberforce and Presbyterians working both sides of the war in the old country of Great Britain. That is also an aspect of the war that goes untold.
Wilberforce was small-R reformed, not large R. In other words, he was more a Wesleyan than a Calvinist.
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You are correct, Jabin. Correction noted.
I would add that he was greatly influenced by the Reformed.


'John Newton's Letters to William Wilberforce

Both the importance and the difficulties of your situation, superadded to my regard,
entitle you to a double portion of my thoughts and prayers. [1]

"Sir," wrote William Wilberforce in great distress to John Newton on Saturday 2 December 1785, "I wish to have some serious conversation with you." Though he possibly had not seen him for fourteen years, Newton was the one person whom Wilberforce felt he could trust for spiritual advice in his conversion crisis, knowing that anything he said would be held in complete confidence.

Almost two years later, on Sunday 28 October 1787, with an even deeper, proven friendship and mutual regard between them, it was Newton whom Wilberforce had at his side for further serious conversation on the day that he was to enter in his diary, "God Almighty has set before me two great objects, the suppression of the Slave Trade and the Reformation of Manners." [2]'

https://www.johnnewton.org/Articles/105307/The_John_Newton/archive/The_Complete_Works/Correspondence/William_Wilberforce/background.aspx

Newton was obviously big R Reformed.

Moreover, many Methodists were Reformed as well. For Wilberforce was taken to hear George Whitfield preach because Methodism at that time was apart of the Anglican Church.

https://www.baptist.org.uk/Articles/398246/Amazing_Grace_William.aspx

Wilberforce did in fact reject the 39 Articles.
So you are correct, Jabin. Correction noted.



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Sapper Redux said:

I wouldn't say that around the Irish.
Would you say that IED means Irish Explosive Device like in this bit
about the Irish Troubles - a true insurrection, and partly due to Cromwell.

 
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