Eye witness testimony lol. There's been zero proof.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
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Nope. They have plenty of issues and I don't support their worldview/beliefs. Same goes for Israel. Both groups need to repent. Israel can start by stopping the blood shed.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
SirDippinDots said:traxter said:You mean Hamas, not Gazans. But I would be interested in knowing how they did so deliberately? Not saying they wouldn't do so deliberately if they had the means to do so, but curious how you can say they did so deliberately when they have dumb rockets, and no artillery, and just shoot in the direction of Israeli land.nortex97 said:
Gazans shelled a hospital deliberately yesterday. Just fyi.
Further, why have they been shooting at Christians in the Catholic church in north Gaza?
Hamas, Gazans and Palestinians are all the same thing. Hamas is not made up of quakers from Pennsylvania.
Not true. It's an extremely complicated situation. I personally know Israelis with family killed in the Hamas attacks. I also know Palestinian Christians who definitely denounce the terror attack/killing of innocents, but also feel like their ethnicity is being wiped out by Israel.
Indeed.QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:traxter said:You mean Hamas, not Gazans. But I would be interested in knowing how they did so deliberately? Not saying they wouldn't do so deliberately if they had the means to do so, but curious how you can say they did so deliberately when they have dumb rockets, and no artillery, and just shoot in the direction of Israeli land.nortex97 said:
Gazans shelled a hospital deliberately yesterday. Just fyi.
Further, why have they been shooting at Christians in the Catholic church in north Gaza?
Hamas, Gazans and Palestinians are all the same thing. Hamas is not made up of quakers from Pennsylvania.
Not true. It's an extremely complicated situation. I personally know Israelis with family killed in the Hamas attacks. I also know Palestinian Christians who definitely denounce the terror attack/killing of innocents, but also feel like their ethnicity is being wiped out by Israel.
QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:traxter said:You mean Hamas, not Gazans. But I would be interested in knowing how they did so deliberately? Not saying they wouldn't do so deliberately if they had the means to do so, but curious how you can say they did so deliberately when they have dumb rockets, and no artillery, and just shoot in the direction of Israeli land.nortex97 said:
Gazans shelled a hospital deliberately yesterday. Just fyi.
Further, why have they been shooting at Christians in the Catholic church in north Gaza?
Hamas, Gazans and Palestinians are all the same thing. Hamas is not made up of quakers from Pennsylvania.
Not true. It's an extremely complicated situation. I personally know Israelis with family killed in the Hamas attacks. I also know Palestinian Christians who definitely denounce the terror attack/killing of innocents, but also feel like their ethnicity is being wiped out by Israel.
There is no Palestinian ethnicity. They are Arabs. They speak Arabic, ethnically they are just the Arabs around that area.
SirDippinDots said:QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:traxter said:You mean Hamas, not Gazans. But I would be interested in knowing how they did so deliberately? Not saying they wouldn't do so deliberately if they had the means to do so, but curious how you can say they did so deliberately when they have dumb rockets, and no artillery, and just shoot in the direction of Israeli land.nortex97 said:
Gazans shelled a hospital deliberately yesterday. Just fyi.
Further, why have they been shooting at Christians in the Catholic church in north Gaza?
Hamas, Gazans and Palestinians are all the same thing. Hamas is not made up of quakers from Pennsylvania.
Not true. It's an extremely complicated situation. I personally know Israelis with family killed in the Hamas attacks. I also know Palestinian Christians who definitely denounce the terror attack/killing of innocents, but also feel like their ethnicity is being wiped out by Israel.
There is no Palestinian ethnicity. They are Arabs. They speak Arabic, ethnically they are just the Arabs around that area.
Actually, I believe this is incorrect. I believe ethnic Palestinians are Phillistines. V close to Hebrews
QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:traxter said:You mean Hamas, not Gazans. But I would be interested in knowing how they did so deliberately? Not saying they wouldn't do so deliberately if they had the means to do so, but curious how you can say they did so deliberately when they have dumb rockets, and no artillery, and just shoot in the direction of Israeli land.nortex97 said:
Gazans shelled a hospital deliberately yesterday. Just fyi.
Further, why have they been shooting at Christians in the Catholic church in north Gaza?
Hamas, Gazans and Palestinians are all the same thing. Hamas is not made up of quakers from Pennsylvania.
Not true. It's an extremely complicated situation. I personally know Israelis with family killed in the Hamas attacks. I also know Palestinian Christians who definitely denounce the terror attack/killing of innocents, but also feel like their ethnicity is being wiped out by Israel.
There is no Palestinian ethnicity. They are Arabs. They speak Arabic, ethnically they are just the Arabs around that area.
Actually, I believe this is incorrect. I believe ethnic Palestinians are Phillistines. V close to Hebrews
Now, that areas has been turned over many, many times so 23 & me would have a field day
Klaus Schwab said:Eye witness testimony lol. There's been zero proof.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
You want to see the actual baby?
what the **** is wrong with you?
Hamas Disappointed Liberals Don't Believe They Massacred Jews After They Went To All The Trouble To Livestream It https://t.co/iFkauCOBwM
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) October 14, 2023
Propaganda? if you mean people are pushing back on your cruel views toward Palestinians, sure. Same goes for calling out evil acts and war crimes committed by the IDF against innocent Palestinians.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
QBCade said:QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:QBCade said:SirDippinDots said:traxter said:You mean Hamas, not Gazans. But I would be interested in knowing how they did so deliberately? Not saying they wouldn't do so deliberately if they had the means to do so, but curious how you can say they did so deliberately when they have dumb rockets, and no artillery, and just shoot in the direction of Israeli land.nortex97 said:
Gazans shelled a hospital deliberately yesterday. Just fyi.
Further, why have they been shooting at Christians in the Catholic church in north Gaza?
Hamas, Gazans and Palestinians are all the same thing. Hamas is not made up of quakers from Pennsylvania.
Not true. It's an extremely complicated situation. I personally know Israelis with family killed in the Hamas attacks. I also know Palestinian Christians who definitely denounce the terror attack/killing of innocents, but also feel like their ethnicity is being wiped out by Israel.
There is no Palestinian ethnicity. They are Arabs. They speak Arabic, ethnically they are just the Arabs around that area.
Actually, I believe this is incorrect. I believe ethnic Palestinians are Phillistines. V close to Hebrews
Now, that areas has been turned over many, many times so 23 & me would have a field day
I remember reading that Qaddafi was part Jewish genetically they figured out. Pretty funny.
How about Hamas can start by releasing all of the hostages. Until then, the deaths of the civilians is on their heads.Klaus Schwab said:Nope. They have plenty of issues and I don't support their worldview/beliefs. Same goes for Israel. Both groups need to repent. Israel can start by stopping the blood shed.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
That's some slippery slope logic.RAB91 said:How about Hamas can start by releasing all of the hostages. Until then, the deaths of the civilians is on their heads.Klaus Schwab said:Nope. They have plenty of issues and I don't support their worldview/beliefs. Same goes for Israel. Both groups need to repent. Israel can start by stopping the blood shed.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
https://images.app.goo.gl/yR9fiQaxutL7CVFKAKlaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
carl spacklers hat said:https://images.app.goo.gl/yR9fiQaxutL7CVFKAKlaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
So what are you having for Christmas dinner?
traxter said:That's some slippery slope logic.RAB91 said:How about Hamas can start by releasing all of the hostages. Until then, the deaths of the civilians is on their heads.Klaus Schwab said:Nope. They have plenty of issues and I don't support their worldview/beliefs. Same goes for Israel. Both groups need to repent. Israel can start by stopping the blood shed.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
No it's not.
I dunno. I think it is. By that logic, if police shoot bystanders after unleashing a hail of bullets at a bad guy in a crowd, the blood of the those innocent bystanders is on the heads of the bad guy, not the police. Or, in this case, if a bad guy runs and hides in your basement, the police are justified in burning down your house to get the bad guy.SirDippinDots said:traxter said:That's some slippery slope logic.RAB91 said:How about Hamas can start by releasing all of the hostages. Until then, the deaths of the civilians is on their heads.Klaus Schwab said:Nope. They have plenty of issues and I don't support their worldview/beliefs. Same goes for Israel. Both groups need to repent. Israel can start by stopping the blood shed.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
No it's not.
This does get messier in a war. If you indiscriminately attack an area where you think enemies are hiding, that's a problem. However, because the enemy is armed and fighting and may conceivably have support and traps, etc, a soldier does have more leeway to attack an area even if it will cause civilian casualties. The issue is whether a soldier is taking all logical precautions available to minimize noncombatant casualties. To circle it back to your theoretical situations, if the police are randomly firing at a guy was a pistol, they're clearly in the wrong. If they're burning down your house because a jaywalker is hiding in it, they're clearly wrong. If you have a terrorist cell in the basement planning to release a chemical weapon, then burning down the house may be the best way to neutralize the threat with the least amount of collateral damage.bigtruckguy3500 said:I dunno. I think it is. By that logic, if police shoot bystanders after unleashing a hail of bullets at a bad guy in a crowd, the blood of the those innocent bystanders is on the heads of the bad guy, not the police. Or, in this case, if a bad guy runs and hides in your basement, the police are justified in burning down your house to get the bad guy.SirDippinDots said:traxter said:That's some slippery slope logic.RAB91 said:How about Hamas can start by releasing all of the hostages. Until then, the deaths of the civilians is on their heads.Klaus Schwab said:Nope. They have plenty of issues and I don't support their worldview/beliefs. Same goes for Israel. Both groups need to repent. Israel can start by stopping the blood shed.SirDippinDots said:Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, was actually the first to question it. They tried identifying all victims and missing, or something like that. And now several sites have broken down the numbers. There was one child under a year old killed. 36 under the age of 18.Silent For Too Long said:traxter said:Not to make excuses for Hamas or anything, but several claims about the Oct 7 attacks have been proven false. One of them was the 40 beheaded babies. The other was babies being placed in ovens and being baked.fc2112 said:At least the IDF didn't bake them alive in an oven while raping their mothers.Klaus Schwab said:
Well over 7,000 children murdered. Lord Have Mercy.
Seriously, who would do such a thing?
That being said, I don't know that anything that did happens still justifies killing 7000 kids - so far. Not to mention the hundreds that have now become orphans, have lost limbs, and will be dealing with PTSD for the rest of their lives.
How do you prove something like that false?
It might be hard to confirm, but its impossible to "prove it false."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/
"The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
Some people also think that a decent number of Israelis killed that day were from friendly fire, as the IDF started shelling the places where Hamas were hiding, and the helicopters were told to shoot any vehicle heading back to Gaza. That's why quite a few burned out and exploded vehicles were on the road to Gaza. No one has given an estimate on how many Israeli would-be hostages were in those vehicles, or how many might have gotten shelled in their Kibutz.
How does that prove the baby wasn't baked in an oven?
I've seen the eye witness testimony of the person who recovered that baby. I would say your assertion that it's been proven false is objective false.
Yeah lots of Palestinian propaganda on this board.
No it's not.
I'm not saying Israel is justified in their actions. I think they've shown the mendacity of Bibi's government and the problems of relying on reservists for combat, but I also think the hand wringing about some of their decisions is either ignorant or disingenuous.
That's the most balanced perspective on IDF operations in Gaza I have seen. The problems of using reserve combat arms units should not be taken too lightly and especially in an environment where Hamas so closely intertwines its weapons storage and deployment with civilian infrastructure.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
-Havelock Vetinari
There are 2 million Arabs living in #Israel. That's 21% of Israel's entire population.
— Tamer Masudin (@TMasudin) December 25, 2023
None of them joined #Hamas on Oct 7th.
None of them raised arms against their fellow citizens on Oct 7th.
Some were killed on Oct 7th. And some saved lives that day.
Think about that.
Just lovely people:
We’ve got a problem… pic.twitter.com/rVMva03UCm
— @amuse (@amuse) December 26, 2023
Highly graphic (warning, nsfw) link of 100+ Christian's being slaughtered yet again last night, meanwhile, and I bet we hear crickets:
No, I haven’t yet, but it’s been recommended to me. I’ll get a copy. The modern false narrative about the crusades needs to be countered by Christians everywhere.
— Eva Vlaardingerbroek (@EvaVlaar) December 26, 2023
"The Chivalry Guild"? Good grief.
Yes, good catch, a twitter username that you disapprove of. Solid forum tone-deaf response.
Nigeria - New photos from within a church where at Christmas Christians were massacred in the name of Allah. Around 150 are confirmed dead so far, properties & farms were looted and burned. This is on par with what Hamas did, but the MSM & dancing Western Hamas fans ignore 🇳🇬 pic.twitter.com/XNsAmVH17H
— 🇬🇧RonEnglish🇬🇧🏴 (@RonEng1ish) December 26, 2023
I'm beginning to think Hitchens was correct. Religion, it does ruin everything. Imagine someone arrogant enough to claim that their God gives them special rights to a piece of land.
heteroscedasticity said:
I'm beginning to think Hitchens was correct. Religion, it does ruin everything. Imagine someone arrogant enough to claim that their God gives them special rights to a piece of land.
Pretty common in human history. If it wasn't religion it would be something else.
Not sure I understand this post on this thread. Are you saying because of a horrible attack in Nigeria against Christians, it justifies the number of dead Palestinian women and children?nortex97 said:
Yes, good catch, a twitter username that you disapprove of. Solid forum tone-deaf response.Nigeria - New photos from within a church where at Christmas Christians were massacred in the name of Allah. Around 150 are confirmed dead so far, properties & farms were looted and burned. This is on par with what Hamas did, but the MSM & dancing Western Hamas fans ignore 🇳🇬 pic.twitter.com/XNsAmVH17H
— 🇬🇧RonEnglish🇬🇧🏴 (@RonEng1ish) December 26, 2023
bigtruckguy3500 said:Not sure I understand this post on this thread. Are you saying because of a horrible attack in Nigeria against Christians, it justifies the number of dead Palestinian women and children?nortex97 said:
Yes, good catch, a twitter username that you disapprove of. Solid forum tone-deaf response.Nigeria - New photos from within a church where at Christmas Christians were massacred in the name of Allah. Around 150 are confirmed dead so far, properties & farms were looted and burned. This is on par with what Hamas did, but the MSM & dancing Western Hamas fans ignore 🇳🇬 pic.twitter.com/XNsAmVH17H
— 🇬🇧RonEnglish🇬🇧🏴 (@RonEng1ish) December 26, 2023
Not at all. Just the typical voices lamenting Gazan's suffering today never worry about certain other peoples suffering.
Look…it's a just war…Let them finish the fight.
I think my theory is that the public which has drifted away from Reformed theology has a God without a spine and a people without a spine as a result. War is terrible. We get it.
You have to make it terrible enough for the opposition to quit or think twice of entering another fight.
The only people supporting the war in Gaza are either Dispensationalist hoping for the rapture or the confessionally Reformed. Perhaps a few post-Luther Lutherans as well?
I think my theory is that the public which has drifted away from Reformed theology has a God without a spine and a people without a spine as a result. War is terrible. We get it.
You have to make it terrible enough for the opposition to quit or think twice of entering another fight.
The only people supporting the war in Gaza are either Dispensationalist hoping for the rapture or the confessionally Reformed. Perhaps a few post-Luther Lutherans as well?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll
Apparently the Israeli intel services believe the Gaza Health Ministry casualty numbers.
Apparently the Israeli intel services believe the Gaza Health Ministry casualty numbers.
The numbers are probably roughly accurate. The problem is that the Gaza ministry lumps in combatants with noncombatants, and teasing that out can be extremely difficult.
Sure, but even if you assume all males killed are Hamas, that still leaves a ton of women and children. Also, Israel reports the IDF casualties and civilian casualties from October 7th generally lumped together. As does most of the media.Sapper Redux said:
The numbers are probably roughly accurate. The problem is that the Gaza ministry lumps in combatants with noncombatants, and teasing that out can be extremely difficult.
But they are also reported in a way that you can separate them if you want. The Gazan Health Ministry doesn't do that.bigtruckguy3500 said:Sure, but even if you assume all males killed are Hamas, that still leaves a ton of women and children. Also, Israel reports the IDF casualties and civilian casualties from October 7th generally lumped together. As does most of the media.Sapper Redux said:
The numbers are probably roughly accurate. The problem is that the Gaza ministry lumps in combatants with noncombatants, and teasing that out can be extremely difficult.
True. Though I don't think they separate out how many they killed via friendly fire. Which may have been a surprising amount depending on which source you look at.Sapper Redux said:But they are also reported in a way that you can separate them if you want. The Gazan Health Ministry doesn't do that.bigtruckguy3500 said:Sure, but even if you assume all males killed are Hamas, that still leaves a ton of women and children. Also, Israel reports the IDF casualties and civilian casualties from October 7th generally lumped together. As does most of the media.Sapper Redux said:
The numbers are probably roughly accurate. The problem is that the Gaza ministry lumps in combatants with noncombatants, and teasing that out can be extremely difficult.
I guess my main point in posting was in response to the multiple posters here who believe the casualty counts are just Hamas propaganda.
It's like watching a documentary about the bombing of Dresden or the Nemmersdorf Massacre. It's terrible that innocent people suffer in war. However, this does not absolve Gaza of its guilt for putting a genocidal movement in power, any more than it absolved Germany.
But it's a fallacy to blame Gazans for Hamas being in power. It's like blaming all American adults today for electing Bush in 2004.
Also there's the issue of intent. Some military operations are intended to seek out Hamas terrorists. Others are simply intended for cruelty and ethnic cleansing.
Also there's the issue of intent. Some military operations are intended to seek out Hamas terrorists. Others are simply intended for cruelty and ethnic cleansing.