You be the judge. For Musk appeals to the cultural conservative much like pseudo-evolution-pantheistic Hitler.

For Musk has apparently given us more free speech on Twitter or X.

But I learned from the survival kit series of an Eastern Orthodox podcast some things about Musk's trans-humanism that deserves an investigation to say the least.

One of Musk's companies have implanted a chip inside of a pig to study how neurons fire off and such.

Possibly mad scientists can see in new ways how the brain lights up when they rub the snout of the pig, for example.

The plan is to put these chips into humans.

And who knows what Musk's team is planning for combining computers and humans?

Who knows what mentally disturbed followers of trans-humanism have planned for a future generation, if the Lord tarries.

I guess I'm a little concerned after reading C.S. Lewis' book called, "The Abolition of Man." It's a short book and well articulated as a quick read.

I guess my point is that we need to be vocal and let them know that we are watching the Musk gang.

TheGreatEscape said:

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You be the judge. For Musk appeals to the cultural conservative much like pseudo-evolution-pantheistic Hitler.

For Musk has apparently given us more free speech on Twitter or X.

But I learned from the survival kit series of an Eastern Orthodox podcast some things about Musk's trans-humanism that deserves an investigation to say the least.

One of Musk's companies have implanted a chip inside of a pig to study how neurons fire off and such.

Possibly mad scientists can see in new ways how the brain lights up when they rub the snout of the pig, for example.

The plan is to put these chips into humans.

And who knows what Musk's team is planning for combining computers and humans?

Who knows what mentally disturbed followers of trans-humanism have planned for a future generation, if the Lord tarries.

I guess I'm a little concerned after reading C.S. Lewis' book called, "The Abolition of Man." It's a short book and well articulated as a quick read.

I guess my point is that we need to be vocal and let them know that we are watching the Musk gang.

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And here I thought Trump would have the 6's...I never considered it could be Musk. Makes sense though.

Transhumanist dreams and human nature

"Transhumanism is a concept that has been around for a number of years. Known as the father of transhumanism, Julian Huxley, brother of the famed writer Aldous Huxley, describes this concept in a 1957 essay saying "the human species can, if it wishes, transcend itselfnot just sporadically, an individual here in one way, an individual there in another way, but in its entirely, as humanity."

Musk has long sought to upgrade humanity claiming that "to avoid becoming like monkeys, humans must merge with machines." This argument is based on a materialistic and in some cases an evolutionary worldview that concludes we must improve upon evolution's current iteration of humanity or be left behind by the rise of sophisticated machines. Musk, along with many other transhumanists, seek to transcend our frail humanity through the use of technological upgrades or even ultimately by the uploading of minds and discarding of the body.

This is often portrayed in the framework of a mind/body dualism, where the mind is seen as software and the body is seen as hardware. The real you is your mind, thoughts, and emotions, and your body is simply a container that can be altered at will or even discarded as desired. This is a form of Cartesian dualism. In this line of thinking, the mind and body are severed from one another as the mind is elevated above the body in terms of value and worth. Certain streams of transhumanism can aptly be described as a revival of the old Gnostic heresy that denigrates the body due to the belief that it is part of the evil material world and has no lasting value.

According to this logic, our bodies can and should be upgraded in order to keep from going out of date or commission. In the face of this rising threat to human exceptionalism, Musk said during the press conference that the applications of this BCI technology could one day extend to "some kind of AI symbiosis where you have an AI extension of yourself."

A call for Christian ethical reflection

Transhumanist dreams of upgrading or going beyond our humanity reveal a massive assumption in the nature and essence of what it means to be human. Nick Bostrom, a leading transhumanist and author of the influential book Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies, argues that our human nature is "a work in progress, a half-baked beginning that we can learn to remold in desirable ways." But as author Nancy Pearcey points out, who gets to decide what is desirable, and does that actually align with the truth of who we are as image-bearers of God?"

The full article can be found here.

https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/why-elon-musks-transhumanist-dreams-are-flawed/

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the Machine is Immortal.

No fear. Musk is only worth around 84 billion dollars. I'm sure his partner investors collectively make 84 billion look small.

Neuralink is the name of Musk's company.

It may help some issues with memory and such?

But at what cost? I'm unsure of what happens to the rest of the body and soul and even to the mind. What are the long term side effects going to be 10-20 years later?

We are not the same beings as animals for crying out loud.

Will these technologies by Musk affect the various levels of the subconscious and how does that affect the conscience?

Hello?

Then you have even more variables in this mad science to consider.

What medications are the participants on?

What are those medications side effects which may affect the interaction of these technologies?

Medications affect people differently.

What are the side effects going to be when you pair medications together with this technology with various dna and body chemistries?

What are going to be the effects upon women and men?

What are going to be the side effects on hormones, other brain chemicals, glands, seizures, age groups, and other illnesses and diseased patients?

Nope. Not only is it not ethical to even try. It's flat out dangerous for the body.

My hypothesis is that each and every part of the brain work as one and not in parts. If it changes the dopamine level then it affect the serotonin level, etc. Then you have dendrites that grow when you learn and connect with new information. How do they relate to the levels of consciousness and the conscious for morality? I have all of these questions that the Agnostic/Atheist will not consider.

Maybe some Christian neurologists and neuroscientists can weigh in here?

Why don't we see if X has free speech?
And Facebook and congressional representatives…

Here is the connection to Hitler's worldview.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/what-was-hitlers-religion

1 Peter 5:8 (ESV)

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.


The seeds are being planted in our culture.

"What a difference it would be if our system of morality were based on the Bible instead of the standards devised by cultural Christians." William Wilberforce


These test monkeys keep dying. Here is some evidence that Musk is lying about only using terminal monkeys in order to test his chip implants.
4 Congressional leaders are involved in going after Musk.

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-neuralink-dealbook-comments-sec/

TheGreatEscape said:

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No fear. Musk is only worth around 84 billion dollars. I'm sure his partner investors collectively make 84 billion look small.

Neuralink is the name of Musk's company.

It may help some issues with memory and such?

But at what cost? I'm unsure of what happens to the rest of the body and soul and even to the mind. What are the long term side effects going to be 10-20 years later?

We are not the same beings as animals for crying out loud.

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Not sure but I'm willing to find out. He's a little out there but those kinds of people, while having the possibility to do evil, have many times done great things. I want people like him…ones willing to ask questions and test things that others won't. We don't know if we don't try. We are animal. We are just slightly higher thinkers, but we are animals at our core. Let's not lose sight of this. If you ever want to test this, just take a god fearing family and separate them, threaten them, and take away their basic needs. You will watch the most docile man kill with violence even he didn't know he possessed. We are animals, which is why we us them to study us.

Kind of…For we have instincts which jostle.

I don't see there being a big deal against allowing blind people to see. We already have implants for deaf people to hear.

The problem I have and question is how these chips are to help the memory and what else does it mess with?

Do you believe in the existence of the soul? Or is it just chemicals firing off in the brain and has no effect upon the rest of the body?

Hitler and his gang did some interesting things.

1. Germany's first-ever environmental protection laws
Protected hunting, animals, and reserved land for the natural habit of animals

2. Child welfare stipends

3. 1st anti-smoking laws

4. Volkswagen

1st economy car for the common man to be able to have the blessing of modern transportation

5. Autobahn Project

6. 1st to discover the affect of altitude upon the brain and other psychological effects. (Using physical-Jews).

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)17619-8/fulltext

7. Many other studies which cause suffering upon physical-Jews were also groundbreaking for its time. Nazi research challenged what was known at the time by the trial and error process. The Nazis helped eliminate some of the understandings of what is modern medicine. Though many of their studies performed upon humans were obsolete, they provided a further foundation for what we know about the human body and psychology.

Nazi scientist argued at the trial that they were doing what was best for humanity.

The old the ends justify the means argument…

no

Could be a precursor for future generations.
The materialistic worldview is a disaster.

Thoughts have consequences.

{First Things, the transhumanist Steve Fuller outlines two sides of the movement. In the quest for immortality, the transhumanists would have us either "live in the biological bodies of our birth indefinitely, either by reversing the aging process or, per cryonics, resurrecting the dead," or have us "migrate from a carbon to a silicon base, such that we merge with 'artificial intelligence,' perhaps culminating in the 'Singularity.'"}

https://sojo.net/articles/keeping-force/time-cs-lewis-predicted-future

From C.S. Lewis' "That Hideous Strength" which is the third part of his space trilogy, he writes:

"It does really look as if we now had the power to dig ourselves in as a species for a pretty staggering period, to take control of our own destiny. If Science is really given a free hand it can now take over the human race and re-condition it: make man a really efficient animal. If it doesn't well, we're done."

https://sojo.net/articles/keeping-force/time-cs-lewis-predicted-future

"We want you to write it down--to camouflage it. Only for the present, of course. Once the thing gets going we shan't have to bother about the great heart of the British public. We'll make the great heart what we want it to be. But in the meantime, it does make a difference how things are put. For instance, if it were even whispered that the N.I.C.E. wanted powers to experiment on criminals, you'd have all the old women of both sexes up in arms and yapping about humanity. Call it re-education of the mal-adjusted, and you have them all slobbering with delight that the brutal era of retributive punishment has at last come to and end. Odd thing it is--the word 'experiment' is unpopular, but not the word 'experimental.' You must'nt experiment on children; but offer the dear little kiddies free education in an experimental school attached to the N.I.C.E. and it's all correct!"

From that Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis predicting scientism in the mid 20th Century.

"We shall in fact be the slaves and puppets of that to which we have given our souls."

"Man's final conquest has proved to be the abolition of Man." "Human nature will be the last part of Nature to surrender to Man. The battle will then be won." "What we call Man's power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument."

C.S. Lewis on the "Abolition of Man," 1943.

TheGreatEscape said:

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Kind of…For we have instincts which jostle.

I don't see there being a big deal against allowing blind people to see. We already have implants for deaf people to hear.

The problem I have and question is how these chips are to help the memory and what else does it mess with?

Do you believe in the existence of the soul? Or is it just chemicals firing off in the brain and has no effect upon the rest of the body?

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For me, I'm generally a believer that we're a ball of electrical impulses. I like the idea of a soul but I'm not sure if it's a thing. Even if it is, it doesn't change my feelings on a chip. I figure it's like anything else, there are tradeoffs and sacrifices we make for convenience, technology and improvement. Your cell phone is a good example. We all love the convenience of it but we also give up our privacy happily for that convenience.

If I was blind, there are many sacrifices I'd make in order to see again. I want to see what we can do with the chips.

There is a lot of potential for mind control with them, but there is also a lot of potential for understanding how things work for the medical community. There are so many positive benefits and side benefits from this kind of work that I am willing to roll the dice on it.

In defense of the original statement, the Nazis did in fact have a slough of ethical and evil intentions while advancing their studies in medicine and human research. Nonetheless , many aspects of that research, as evil as it was, yielded answers and knowledge that has been used since then to make life better for others. We can do things ethically now, but there is no need to discard results if anything if they are useful.

Fixing the site of the blind is fine so long as it doesn't jack with memory.

And I advocate vehemently against even touching the chip to the parts of the brain related to memory.

You aren't putting that chip in my brain or any others or inmates. Just war theory.

It should, and probably will be, up to the test subject. Personally, because I believe our bodies are little more than electrical impulses, the idea that we can save and preserver memory is of great interest. Our entire being is housed in the brain. Our character, moral compass, memories, mannerisms, everything. The idea that a person dying of an incurable illness could be extracted from a failing body and saved is fascinating to me. I suspect that is eventually where this kind of technology would end up.

Right now, Neuralink is being tested with paralysis patients. I think that is amazing and I fully encourage it if people want it. As I said, lots of bad can come of it, but a lot more good will come of it as well.

Since you only see the belly of man and his so-called psychoanalysis which can help some, it's impressive that you state that "some bad can come from it."

Secondly, brain health isn't all there is to brain health as far as the body is concerned. Many are suggesting that there is a connection between the gut and the brain.