craigernaught said:
How many usernames does this make for you now?
Forgot the winky emoji. Plus those videos were about Mediterranean food and most people were pro hummus.Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:
Ive seen videos on twitter of pro hamas protests on campus. We have a huge problem.
Yeah it's really frustrating. A product of our constantly polarized politics.Terminus Est said:
The beauty of this current conflict is that it enables someone to call you "anti-semitic" regardless of which side you're on.
Disagree with the invasion of Gaza?- anti-semite
Disagree with the liberal Jews demanding Israeli restraint? -anti-semite
Don't care about the whole thing? Yes, still anti-semite
No, theyre the same thing based on the time frame. If youre having "pro palestine" rallies in the days after hamas slaughtered jews and before israel responded, youre just celebrating dead jews.barbacoa taco said:
Pro Hamas or Pro Palestine? Important to not conflate the two. I haven't seen anything but I'm sure there have been some Pro Palestine gatherings.
youre naive. The day after the most jews were killed since the holocaust is not a great time to show support for the governing body of palestine. These people are telling you who they are, you just think youre too smart and worldly to hear what they are screaming in your face.barbacoa taco said:
No you are not. The rallies are in support of the Palestinian people and against the IDF's actions in Gaza that have gotten them killed. They are not in celebration of dead Jews.
Sweet Jesus, is what's happening to the Palestinians like 11 holocausts or something then? What do the casualty totals on both sides look like?Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:youre naive. The day after the most jews were killed since the holocaust is not a great time to show support for the governing body of palestine. These people are telling you who they are, you just think youre too smart and worldly to hear what they are screaming in your face.barbacoa taco said:
No you are not. The rallies are in support of the Palestinian people and against the IDF's actions in Gaza that have gotten them killed. They are not in celebration of dead Jews.
Is it your position that Israel is targeting Palestinian civilians?Quote:
And it's perfectly valid to oppose Israel's actions in response to it, considering how many Palestinian civilians have died as a result. You act like these people don't have a right to be upset that entire families are getting killed by IDF air strikes.
Uncle Leo! Hello!Terminus Est said:
The beauty of this current conflict is that it enables someone to call you "anti-semitic" regardless of which side you're on.
Disagree with the invasion of Gaza?- anti-semite
Disagree with the liberal Jews demanding Israeli restraint? -anti-semite
Don't care about the whole thing? Yes, still anti-semite
barbacoa taco said:
intentionally targeting them? no
blatant disregard and apathy for the effects the IDF's actions have on civilians? yes
Israel has a right to defend itself but its hard to turn a blind eye to refugee camps getting bombed. And finally there's the whole underlying political situation of it all that predates the 10/7 attacks. But American media has created the false narrative that criticism of the Israeli government and Netanyahu is tantamount to antisemitism.
barbacoa taco said:
Pro Hamas or Pro Palestine? Important to not conflate the two. I haven't seen anything but I'm sure there have been some Pro Palestine gatherings.
barbacoa taco said:
No you are not. The rallies are in support of the Palestinian people and against the IDF's actions in Gaza that have gotten them killed. They are not in celebration of dead Jews.
barbacoa taco said:
Committing war crimes is never okay. And as far as the "warnings" go, the people there are mostly poor and lack resources, food, water, and internet. It's not exactly easy for them to travel en masse.
I understand that the reality of war is very grim and civilians will get killed. But as someone who has paid attention to this conflict since it started, some of Israel's actions have been downright horrific and brutal and it's perfectly okay to point this out.
This is a pretty cruel and ****ed up response.SirDippinDots said:barbacoa taco said:
Committing war crimes is never okay. And as far as the "warnings" go, the people there are mostly poor and lack resources, food, water, and internet. It's not exactly easy for them to travel en masse.
I understand that the reality of war is very grim and civilians will get killed. But as someone who has paid attention to this conflict since it started, some of Israel's actions have been downright horrific and brutal and it's perfectly okay to point this out.
War is brutal and horrific. Palestinians voted in Hamas, launch a huge terrorist attack, Palestinians that are not Hamas participated, celebrated and are now crying because they are losing the war badly.
If Israel would have stood there and relied on mercy or help from the rest of the world , Hamas would still be in Israel killing all the Jews constantly since Oct 7 while Palestinians celebrated.
Yes I don't feel much sympathy for the innocent Palestinians.
Better luck looking for righteous people in Sodom.
barbacoa taco said:This is a pretty cruel and ****ed up response.SirDippinDots said:barbacoa taco said:
Committing war crimes is never okay. And as far as the "warnings" go, the people there are mostly poor and lack resources, food, water, and internet. It's not exactly easy for them to travel en masse.
I understand that the reality of war is very grim and civilians will get killed. But as someone who has paid attention to this conflict since it started, some of Israel's actions have been downright horrific and brutal and it's perfectly okay to point this out.
War is brutal and horrific. Palestinians voted in Hamas, launch a huge terrorist attack, Palestinians that are not Hamas participated, celebrated and are now crying because they are losing the war badly.
If Israel would have stood there and relied on mercy or help from the rest of the world , Hamas would still be in Israel killing all the Jews constantly since Oct 7 while Palestinians celebrated.
Yes I don't feel much sympathy for the innocent Palestinians.
Better luck looking for righteous people in Sodom.
Hamas was elected in 2006, and something like 40% of Palestinians today are under 18. So it's unfair to say that the Palestinians of today "elected" them.
They aren't crying because they are losing the war. They are crying because they are getting killed by the thousands. And Palestinians are not belligerents in this war. It is Hamas. Palestinians are caught in the crossfire.
Hamas alone launched the terrorist attack, and of course you're overlooking the Palestinians who themselves want freedom but do not want a bunch of innocent Israelis to be killed.
I know it's easy for you to sit in your comfy chair in a safe house or office and say all this, but are you really thinking about what these people are going through and have been through?
Israel can and should fight Hamas. but forgive me for feeling sympathy for a young Palestinian child whose home was destroyed and family was killed by an airstrike. I hope you understand things like this just create the next generation of Hamas.
barbacoa taco said:
Palestine, but it's very very wrong to make a sweeping generalization of the entire territory because of that. It reflects a poor understanding of geopolitics, and racism toward those people as well.
SirDippinDots said:barbacoa taco said:
Palestine, but it's very very wrong to make a sweeping generalization of the entire territory because of that. It reflects a poor understanding of geopolitics, and racism toward those people as well.
Since Israel does not have bombs that only kill Hamas, I guess there is not much Israel can do about it.
And since the vast majority of these noble Palestinians detest the violence it should be no problem for them to get rid of the very tiny percentage that support Hamas?
These noble Palestinians should demonstrate their good will by rescuing the hostages too.
Ironically enough, the worldwide support of Palestine is a direct result of Israel's policies. Since 1948, more than a million Palestinians have fled or been evicted from the Holy Land and gone to live in other places across the world. That Palestinian diaspora over the last 75 years has given the Palestinian people and cause worldwide influence. They have used that influence to advocate for their people back in the Holy Land and against the policies that evicted them. In this regard, the Palestinians are probably one of the few groups that can give the Jewish people a run for their money when it comes to minority ethnic groups and international influence, and it's entirely because of the way that the state of Israel has displaced them.barbacoa taco said:
No, you need to spend less time on F16 and look at this situation with some more objectivity. There have been pro Palestine protests since forever. And you are equating that with being pro Hamas, which is in itself prejudicial. The vast majority of people did condemn the October 7 attack. And it's perfectly valid to oppose Israel's actions in response to it, considering how many Palestinian civilians have died as a result. You act like these people don't have a right to be upset that entire families are getting killed by IDF air strikes.
That is what the protests are focused on. Saying the protests are pro Hamas/anti semitic is narrow minded, us vs them mentality.
ramblin_ag02 said:Ironically enough, the worldwide support of Palestine is a direct result of Israel's policies. Since 1948, more than a million Palestinians have fled or been evicted from the Holy Land and gone to live in other places across the world. That Palestinian diaspora over the last 75 years has given the Palestinian people and cause worldwide influence. They have used that influence to advocate for their people back in the Holy Land and against the policies that evicted them. In this regard, the Palestinians are probably one of the few groups that can give the Jewish people a run for their money when it comes to minority ethnic groups and international influence, and it's entirely because of the way that the state of Israel has displaced them.barbacoa taco said:
No, you need to spend less time on F16 and look at this situation with some more objectivity. There have been pro Palestine protests since forever. And you are equating that with being pro Hamas, which is in itself prejudicial. The vast majority of people did condemn the October 7 attack. And it's perfectly valid to oppose Israel's actions in response to it, considering how many Palestinian civilians have died as a result. You act like these people don't have a right to be upset that entire families are getting killed by IDF air strikes.
That is what the protests are focused on. Saying the protests are pro Hamas/anti semitic is narrow minded, us vs them mentality.
So it's no surprise that you see a ton a Palestinians across the world protest after a Hamas terrorist attack. They know their friends and family back home are about to be attacked. It's the same reason you see 2A rallies after a school shooting. They don't want the other side to use a tragedy as an excuse for doing something awful to their people.
BREAKING: A 65-year-old Jewish man named Paul Kessler has died after having been hit in the head by an anti-Israel protester in West Lake Village, California.
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) November 7, 2023
He was merely peacefully demonstrating for the support of Israel with his wife Cheryl just moments before he was hit in… pic.twitter.com/edzVHfzG4c
ramblin_ag02 said:
You don't know anything about this case. You have no idea if the person who just committed murder in broad daylight is Palestinian or not. Yet you're happily willing to dehumanize millions of people. Do you even know any Palestinians? I know several, and yet somehow they have managed not to murder anyone yet. Which according to you is some great miracle. I'm still surprised you haven't been banned for posting racist rhetoric and advocating ethnic cleansing. I would think that's a pretty low bar for civil discourse
argument? I must have missed the point you put forward. Best I can tell your whole schtick is that all Palestinians are subhuman, violent, and should be ethnically cleansed. And you blissfully troll along as everyone is understandably horrified at your racism. When did the argument happen?Quote:
ethnic cleansing as you define it is moving the Palestinians. You want people banned because when you lose an argument and can't refute you resort to banning.
No they are not "facts." Your bigoted beliefs about Palestinians are both wrong and harmful. I also know a few Palestinians and they are good people who are horrified by Hamas, but they also don't particularly like the Israeli government either.SirDippinDots said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You don't know anything about this case. You have no idea if the person who just committed murder in broad daylight is Palestinian or not. Yet you're happily willing to dehumanize millions of people. Do you even know any Palestinians? I know several, and yet somehow they have managed not to murder anyone yet. Which according to you is some great miracle. I'm still surprised you haven't been banned for posting racist rhetoric and advocating ethnic cleansing. I would think that's a pretty low bar for civil discourse
ethnic cleansing as you define it is moving the Palestinians. You want people banned because when you lose an argument and can't refute you resort to banning.
I am sure you are vastly disappointed that twitter is no longer censored for those disagreeing with the left.
I do know the person who killed the person was at least a Palestinian sympathizer and it's likely from her name she or descendents came from the region. They were out there protesting for the Palestinians.
The Palestinians dehumanize themselves. I mean it's only about 50% that support suicide bombers. Those are facts.
barbacoa taco said:No they are not "facts." Your bigoted beliefs about Palestinians are both wrong and harmful. I also know a few Palestinians and they are good people who are horrified by Hamas, but they also don't particularly like the Israeli government either.SirDippinDots said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You don't know anything about this case. You have no idea if the person who just committed murder in broad daylight is Palestinian or not. Yet you're happily willing to dehumanize millions of people. Do you even know any Palestinians? I know several, and yet somehow they have managed not to murder anyone yet. Which according to you is some great miracle. I'm still surprised you haven't been banned for posting racist rhetoric and advocating ethnic cleansing. I would think that's a pretty low bar for civil discourse
ethnic cleansing as you define it is moving the Palestinians. You want people banned because when you lose an argument and can't refute you resort to banning.
I am sure you are vastly disappointed that twitter is no longer censored for those disagreeing with the left.
I do know the person who killed the person was at least a Palestinian sympathizer and it's likely from her name she or descendents came from the region. They were out there protesting for the Palestinians.
The Palestinians dehumanize themselves. I mean it's only about 50% that support suicide bombers. Those are facts.
Obviously no one here is saying all Palestinians are good and that there aren't terrorists among them. But you made some truly cruel comments by insinuating that Palestinian civilians deserve what they get because Hamas is their government.
I find it very troubling how so many "pro-life" Christians are so bloodthirsty when it comes to certain groups of people, namely the Palestinians.
What Hamas did was reprehensible and I would love for them to be eradicated. But the ends do not always justify the means when it comes to the Israeli government's response. The same can be said about the US's response to 9/11.
