TheGreatEscape said:

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"I fear God because I'm such a miserable sinner.
But I hope because He is such a wonderful savior!"

From a sermon called "Fearing and Hoping."

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Amen

This was such an important part of the Reformation.

"Simul Justus et Peccator" -> Simultaneously Just and a Sinner

(also sometimes said "Simultaneously Saint and Sinner" though the latin doesn't work).

TheGreatEscape said:

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"I fear God because I'm such a miserable sinner.
But I hope because He is such a wonderful savior!"

From a sermon called "Fearing and Hoping."

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Spurgeon certainly had some good quotes. Although I do disagree with his quote regarding Christ taking on our sins when he said that God "takes off from the innocent Savior His righteousness". Its not possible for Christ to lose his righteousness.

I don't think that's what Spurgeon meant.
I think he was referring to our alien righteousness that is imputed to us through Christ alone.

"Fear is the mindkiller" -Frank Herbert

TheGreatEscape said:

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I don't think that's what Spurgeon meant.
I think he was referring to our alien righteousness that is imputed to us through Christ alone.

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Hmm. Perhaps. Though I don't prefer the term 'imputed' (which means to reckon) though God does this, but rather I prefer 'infused' (meaning poured on/in). The latter provides a better visualization for me as the vessel being filled with Christs righteousness.
Spurgeon never clarified his quote and definitely could have worded it better. This is where scriptural interpretations quoted by men can cause a lot of misunderstanding and where the language they use causes great divisiveness amongst Christians. And though Spurgeon certainly said many things I agree with, as a person I am not a fan. His attacks on not only Catholics but other protestants dimmed anything else he said in my eyes.
If he brought people to Christ...that is great. I know many hold him in high regard, but I disagree with his theological interpretations.

Yeah. Every man has said some things that were a little off.

This is not the A&M I remember. My profs back in the 80s would quote the great intellects of Christianity and then with a quizzical eye say " is this true? Why or why not?"

Do all y'all study Kierkegaard, CS Lewis, et al? Spinoza ?

mikes0108@icloud.com said:

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This is not the A&M I remember. My profs back in the 80s would quote the great intellects of Christianity and then with a quizzical eye say " is this true? Why or why not?"

Do all y'all study Kierkegaard, CS Lewis, et al? Spinoza ?

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Kierkegaard is great, save only that he was against organized religion. Lewis is great. Some question his governmental atonement view. But he held to the 39 articles. He's for sure a Christian. Spinoza was great, except that he was a monist.

BluHorseShu said:

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TheGreatEscape said:

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I don't think that's what Spurgeon meant.
I think he was referring to our alien righteousness that is imputed to us through Christ alone.

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Hmm. Perhaps. Though I don't prefer the term 'imputed' (which means to reckon) though God does this, but rather I prefer 'infused' (meaning poured on/in). The latter provides a better visualization for me as the vessel being filled with Christs righteousness.
Spurgeon never clarified his quote and definitely could have worded it better. This is where scriptural interpretations quoted by men can cause a lot of misunderstanding and where the language they use causes great divisiveness amongst Christians. And though Spurgeon certainly said many things I agree with, as a person I am not a fan. His attacks on not only Catholics but other protestants dimmed anything else he said in my eyes.
If he brought people to Christ...that is great. I know many hold him in high regard, but I disagree with his theological interpretations.

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Why are you surprised that a follower of the Reformation would use imputed? That was a big sticking point during the reformation. Infused righteousness was not something that the any of the reformers could get behind because of what it did to original sin and the implications of Romans 7.