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Hi everyone! It's been so long since I've been here, which I'm sure many are fine with lol. Things are going so great here in Michigan. We finally found a place where we feel safe and can truly call "home". Even got to go see my Rangers in Detroit.

Well, Religion News Service recently reached out to do a profile on me, my family, and my faith. Especially because I am a Jesus-serving trans woman in a fairly conservative denomination (Christian Reformed Church...and no, I'm not a Calvinist now lol). I thought some of y'all may want to read it, so I wanted to share here.

Meet Natalie Drew: Christian, trans woman, veteran and pacifist

Some big things are on the horizon for me. I should have my book pitch wrapped up in the next month. I'm speaking at churches and companies in the area. We've found an amazing church that has welcomed us with open arms. I'm on a council within the Grand Rapids Chamber of Commerce, and there are some very exciting potential podcast possibilities coming up. We've found our sweet spot here.

Anyways, love you guys, and if there's any way I can pray for anyone here, please respond here.
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Great to hear from you. Sounds like God is blessing your ministry.
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Thank you. Yes, God has truly blessed us here.

The church we attend is a liturgical church, which is completely new to us. We love it and get so excited for the different liturgical seasons!
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Great to hear from you. Sounds like God has put y'all where y'all are supposed to be.

Shalom.
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What is your Christian name?
PabloSerna
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Nice to hear from you again!
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TheBonifaceOption said:

What is your Christian name?
Natalie
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I don't think I've ever posted here, but felt drawn to today.

While I don't agree with or understand Pacifist's situation and life, she is an adult who made her own decisions.

As a Christian, I am taught to love and accept everyone, regardless of our differences in opinions.

Frankly, I think some of the comments that have been made are the opposite of what Jesus preaches.

I have a co-worker who transitioned a year or so ago, and outside of his department, I was the first he told. We have nothing in common, other than friendship and respect for each other. I'm not trying to pretend I'm a better Christian than others, but I'm pretty sure Christ would rather us love and pray for our neighbors than admonish their decisions. Last I checked, we are all broken .
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Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.
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dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?
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Jett01 said:

I don't think I've ever posted here, but felt drawn to today.

While I don't agree with or understand Pacifist's situation and life, she is an adult who made her own decisions.

As a Christian, I am taught to love and accept everyone, regardless of our differences in opinions.

Frankly, I think some of the comments that have been made are the opposite of what Jesus preaches.

I have a co-worker who transitioned a year or so ago, and outside of his department, I was the first he told. We have nothing in common, other than friendship and respect for each other. I'm not trying to pretend I'm a better Christian than others, but I'm pretty sure Christ would rather us love and pray for our neighbors than admonish their decisions. Last I checked, we are all broken .
Whenever this topic comes up on this board I always feel like we're not making the proper distinctions. On one hand every person deserves to be treated with a basic level of decency and love. On the other hand, we shouldn't go too far and endorse a person's bad choices or mental illness. Jesus spent time with all kinds of sinners. However, he didn't endorse their bad choices.

I agree that he is an adult who made his own choices. I don't think that there should be laws to stop him. But I also think that we're doing him a grave disservice if we don't call a spade a spade. I have no clue if he physically transitioned, but it reminds of this old clip that recently resurfaced.

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AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.
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And as I have posted before, the hardest thing for non believers to grasp is that God is a good God. I believe his "wrath" is more about Justice and correction. Much like a loving Father.
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dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.


Right but that's not what you said. You praised someone as showing fruits of the spirit when, if we take the article and OP at face value that they are a lesbian, they are committing adultery which is contrasted with said fruits. If you spoke plainly and directly you could easily avoid having to offer clarity.
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AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.


Right but that's not what you said. You praised someone as showing fruits of the spirit when, if we take the article and OP at face value that they are a lesbian, they are committing adultery which is contrasted with said fruits. If you spoke plainly and directly you could easily avoid having to offer clarity.


So any good works or fruits are invalidated because of being in a sinful state?

And I promise I am not trying to be obtuse.


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dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.


Right but that's not what you said. You praised someone as showing fruits of the spirit when, if we take the article and OP at face value that they are a lesbian, they are committing adultery which is contrasted with said fruits. If you spoke plainly and directly you could easily avoid having to offer clarity.


So any good works or fruits are invalidated because of being in a sinful state?

And I promise I am not trying to be obtuse.



What is the animating spirit of the OP and article? Is it the Holy Ghost that condones pride, disunity, and adultery? What is the orientation of a Christian when exhibiting such things if they offer to pray for someone that calls them out?

I'm not out to make this an overarching doctrinal statement, it's not necessary. The fruits of the Spirit are contrasted with adultery in Galatians. Or do you read it differently?
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AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.


Right but that's not what you said. You praised someone as showing fruits of the spirit when, if we take the article and OP at face value that they are a lesbian, they are committing adultery which is contrasted with said fruits. If you spoke plainly and directly you could easily avoid having to offer clarity.


So any good works or fruits are invalidated because of being in a sinful state?

And I promise I am not trying to be obtuse.



What is the animating spirit of the OP and article? Is it the Holy Ghost that condones pride, disunity, and adultery? What is the orientation of a Christian when exhibiting such things if they offer to pray for someone that calls them out?

I'm not out to make this an overarching doctrinal statement, it's not necessary. The fruits of the Spirit are contrasted with adultery in Galatians. Or do you read it differently?


All I know is that when I read what the fruits of the Spirit are and posts on here, it is not hard for me to discern which posts exemplify those fruits.

Maybe I am simple minded. But I am not trying to be obtuse.

And correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying that anyone in sin can not produce good fruits.

And I can not read people's minds so I have no idea of what their purpose or Christian orientation are. I just observe their actions and their tone. Reveals a lot.

To my knowledge, Natalie has not tried to bring about disunity or division.

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dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.


Right but that's not what you said. You praised someone as showing fruits of the spirit when, if we take the article and OP at face value that they are a lesbian, they are committing adultery which is contrasted with said fruits. If you spoke plainly and directly you could easily avoid having to offer clarity.


So any good works or fruits are invalidated because of being in a sinful state?

And I promise I am not trying to be obtuse.



What is the animating spirit of the OP and article? Is it the Holy Ghost that condones pride, disunity, and adultery? What is the orientation of a Christian when exhibiting such things if they offer to pray for someone that calls them out?

I'm not out to make this an overarching doctrinal statement, it's not necessary. The fruits of the Spirit are contrasted with adultery in Galatians. Or do you read it differently?


All I know is that when I read what the fruits of the Spirit are and posts on here, it is not hard for me to discern which posts exemplify those fruits.

Maybe I am simple minded. But I am not trying to be obtuse.

And correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying that anyone in sin can not produce good fruits.

And I can not read people's minds so I have no idea of what their purpose or Christian orientation are. I just observe their actions and their tone. Reveals a lot.

To my knowledge, Natalie has not tried to bring about disunity or division.




You are wrong in a very tiring way (not your fault nor your intention I'm sure). The Bible is not a thing we read to pull out verses and apply haphazardly. If we look at the context and see that fruits of the spirit are juxtaposed with sin we should seriously consider and weigh such things.

In this thread we're confronted with, again taking the article and poster at their word, an unrepentant prideful adulterer. This is a constant that has not changed over the course of several years.

This is the tiring part: you and others contrast this with any sin one may ever commit and equate them. Do sin and these fruits have the same animating spirit? Can both spirits be present?

Instead of putting the burden of interpretation on my why not provide your own take on the larger context of the Galatians passage you quote. What do you think? Why is there a 'but' present in the verse?
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AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

AGC said:

dermdoc said:

Galatians 5 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.


I understand your heart for unity and desire for all to be reconciled. I do not begrudge you that.

That said, what do the verses prior to this say? Why does this one start with 'but?' What is the contrast there? And ironically does it not fit quite well with my questions to you? Can one display both?


Yes. I am a mercy gift guy. We need discipline folks also. We are
all part of the body of Christ.

I just did not think the condemning post about a wrathful God is appropriate. I am a softie.


Right but that's not what you said. You praised someone as showing fruits of the spirit when, if we take the article and OP at face value that they are a lesbian, they are committing adultery which is contrasted with said fruits. If you spoke plainly and directly you could easily avoid having to offer clarity.


So any good works or fruits are invalidated because of being in a sinful state?

And I promise I am not trying to be obtuse.



What is the animating spirit of the OP and article? Is it the Holy Ghost that condones pride, disunity, and adultery? What is the orientation of a Christian when exhibiting such things if they offer to pray for someone that calls them out?

I'm not out to make this an overarching doctrinal statement, it's not necessary. The fruits of the Spirit are contrasted with adultery in Galatians. Or do you read it differently?


All I know is that when I read what the fruits of the Spirit are and posts on here, it is not hard for me to discern which posts exemplify those fruits.

Maybe I am simple minded. But I am not trying to be obtuse.

And correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying that anyone in sin can not produce good fruits.

And I can not read people's minds so I have no idea of what their purpose or Christian orientation are. I just observe their actions and their tone. Reveals a lot.

To my knowledge, Natalie has not tried to bring about disunity or division.




You are wrong in a very tiring way (not your fault nor your intention I'm sure). The Bible is not a thing we read to pull out verses and apply haphazardly. If we look at the context and see that fruits of the spirit are juxtaposed with sin we should seriously consider and weigh such things.

In this thread we're confronted with, again taking the article and poster at their word, an unrepentant prideful adulterer. This is a constant that has not changed over the course of several years.

This is the tiring part: you and others contrast this with any sin one may ever commit and equate them. Do sin and these fruits have the same animating spirit? Can both spirits be present?

Instead of putting the burden of interpretation on my why not provide your own take on the larger context of the Galatians passage you quote. What do you think? Why is there a 'but' present in the verse?
Then I guess I am wrong.

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Happy to see you're doing well!

Also happy to see that you are still the undisputed champion of driving texags conservatives absolutely insane.
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craigernaught said:

Happy to see you're doing well!

Also happy to see that you are still the undisputed champion of driving texags conservatives absolutely insane.


I am a conservative and she does not drive me insane.
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craigernaught said:

Happy to see you're doing well!

Also happy to see that you are still the undisputed champion of driving texags conservatives absolutely insane.
Okay, I laughed. But in all seriousness, our church just had a townhall type meeting after church on Sunday. As I stood up and addressed this amazing body, I made mention of how joyless the anti-LGBTQ group of the CRC seemed during Synod. At one point, a female delegate was crying and one of the anti-LGBTQ crowd got up and told her to act like an adult. Now, to his credit, he did publicy apologize later, but I saw what looked like joylessness. I recognized it because it used to be me. Which is why it made sad. I wasn't angry like many of my fellow church members were. I just felt sadness. I feel the same reading some of these responses. And it's generally why I stay away from here anymore. If my presence does this to people, I'd rather just stay away to avoid being a stumblingblock into anger.

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dermdoc said:

craigernaught said:

Happy to see you're doing well!

Also happy to see that you are still the undisputed champion of driving texags conservatives absolutely insane.


I am a conservative and she does not drive me insane.
That's because you're awesome.

I say we find our unity here:

I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

Amen.
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I just felt sadness.
The feeling is mutual. We hope you repent.
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craigernaught said:

Happy to see you're doing well!

Also happy to see that you are still the undisputed champion of driving texags conservatives absolutely insane.
Also, thank you. Moving here has been one of those moments in life where you start to see God at work in such amazing ways. Plus, I have another meeting with a Christian publishing company in a couple weeks. Hoping to have my first couple chapters done by then and, Lord willing, a contract shortly afterwards.

There's some other big potential opportunities on the horizon as well, that I'll be glad to share when they materialize.
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PR Demon 3rd Class Azrael said:

Jett01 said:

I don't think I've ever posted here, but felt drawn to today.

While I don't agree with or understand Pacifist's situation and life, she is an adult who made her own decisions.

As a Christian, I am taught to love and accept everyone, regardless of our differences in opinions.

Frankly, I think some of the comments that have been made are the opposite of what Jesus preaches.

I have a co-worker who transitioned a year or so ago, and outside of his department, I was the first he told. We have nothing in common, other than friendship and respect for each other. I'm not trying to pretend I'm a better Christian than others, but I'm pretty sure Christ would rather us love and pray for our neighbors than admonish their decisions. Last I checked, we are all broken .


Preach it Jett! Love means supporting and celebrating people for anything they choose to do. We need to celebrate and promote brokenness and STAYING in that Brokenness. This is the 20th century. "Go and sin no more" is old and busted, "Go and do your thing and don't let anyone stop you" is the new Gospel.
Completely disagree. And I think you are trolling.
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dermdoc said:

PR Demon 3rd Class Azrael said:

Jett01 said:

I don't think I've ever posted here, but felt drawn to today.

While I don't agree with or understand Pacifist's situation and life, she is an adult who made her own decisions.

As a Christian, I am taught to love and accept everyone, regardless of our differences in opinions.

Frankly, I think some of the comments that have been made are the opposite of what Jesus preaches.

I have a co-worker who transitioned a year or so ago, and outside of his department, I was the first he told. We have nothing in common, other than friendship and respect for each other. I'm not trying to pretend I'm a better Christian than others, but I'm pretty sure Christ would rather us love and pray for our neighbors than admonish their decisions. Last I checked, we are all broken .


Preach it Jett! Love means supporting and celebrating people for anything they choose to do. We need to celebrate and promote brokenness and STAYING in that Brokenness. This is the 20th century. "Go and sin no more" is old and busted, "Go and do your thing and don't let anyone stop you" is the new Gospel.
Completely disagree. And I think you are trolling.
yah, he writes like at least a second class demon.
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Screwtape Letters.
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dermdoc said:

PR Demon 3rd Class Azrael said:

Jett01 said:

I don't think I've ever posted here, but felt drawn to today.

While I don't agree with or understand Pacifist's situation and life, she is an adult who made her own decisions.

As a Christian, I am taught to love and accept everyone, regardless of our differences in opinions.

Frankly, I think some of the comments that have been made are the opposite of what Jesus preaches.

I have a co-worker who transitioned a year or so ago, and outside of his department, I was the first he told. We have nothing in common, other than friendship and respect for each other. I'm not trying to pretend I'm a better Christian than others, but I'm pretty sure Christ would rather us love and pray for our neighbors than admonish their decisions. Last I checked, we are all broken .


Preach it Jett! Love means supporting and celebrating people for anything they choose to do. We need to celebrate and promote brokenness and STAYING in that Brokenness. This is the 20th century. "Go and sin no more" is old and busted, "Go and do your thing and don't let anyone stop you" is the new Gospel.
Completely disagree. And I think you are trolling.

Lol. I tried to tell you doc.

Every Pacifist thread has at least one brand new account and one account that has posted 10 times in 10 years just absolutely losing their minds. This place is boring without her.
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PacifistAg said:

dermdoc said:

craigernaught said:

Happy to see you're doing well!

Also happy to see that you are still the undisputed champion of driving texags conservatives absolutely insane.


I am a conservative and she does not drive me insane.
That's because you're awesome.

I say we find our unity here:

I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

Amen.


As long as Jesus is your Savior and the Holy Spirit is your guide, you'll do fine.
Romans 14:4 is always a great guide for us all.
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dermdoc said:

PR Demon 3rd Class Azrael said:

Jett01 said:

I don't think I've ever posted here, but felt drawn to today.

While I don't agree with or understand Pacifist's situation and life, she is an adult who made her own decisions.

As a Christian, I am taught to love and accept everyone, regardless of our differences in opinions.

Frankly, I think some of the comments that have been made are the opposite of what Jesus preaches.

I have a co-worker who transitioned a year or so ago, and outside of his department, I was the first he told. We have nothing in common, other than friendship and respect for each other. I'm not trying to pretend I'm a better Christian than others, but I'm pretty sure Christ would rather us love and pray for our neighbors than admonish their decisions. Last I checked, we are all broken .


Preach it Jett! Love means supporting and celebrating people for anything they choose to do. We need to celebrate and promote brokenness and STAYING in that Brokenness. This is the 20th century. "Go and sin no more" is old and busted, "Go and do your thing and don't let anyone stop you" is the new Gospel.
Completely disagree. And I think you are trolling.
I don't think trolling. I think this is a sarcasm account like the Onion or inverted Babylon Bee. At least that is how it reads to me. I laughed at a couple of these posts. I don't think they are meant to be taken seriously.
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Bishop Strickland needs to be laicized immediately, he is a huge roadblock to progress and he's killing my numbers for the decade.
Like this one from the Strickland thread...
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