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Aztec1948 said:

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dermdoc said:

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The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?

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Yes my friend...quite a bit. But I can understand how/why folks might have a hard time processing it. Have worn those shoes.

Which camp would you lean to?

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Wait a minute...The movie 'ET' is a true story? My mind has just been blown.

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It was a documentary. You never knew that?

Bird Poo said:

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The federal govt has to stoop to "aliens" to distract the absolute crap show in DC.

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If they haven't figured out the entire system is a scam then reality won't hit them until death.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/ufos-and-the-laughter-of-faith

Aliens are not demons because of their physical nature.

PabloSerna said:

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Aliens are not demons because of their physical nature.

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I hear you. I'm as confused as you are. What procreated Nephilim in Genesis chapter 6? And maybe some do it again?
Lol. Maybe even the females that do it this time? Lord knows/I don't

TheGreatEscape said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Aliens are not demons because of their physical nature.

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I hear you. I'm as confused as you are. What procreated Nephilim in Genesis chapter 6? And maybe some do it again?
Lol. Maybe even the females that do it this time? Lord knows/I don't

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1. Don't get me started on demon sperm.
2. When this topic came up some time ago, I did a deeper dive into what others have written and I will agree that they (Nephilim) are more akin to strong men arch types.
3. I am comfortable with the knowledge that the bible is not a science book.

Fair enough my Roman brother. But could you explain more?

Regarding fallen angels procreating with daughters of Adam, it would seem as if God was subservient to biology and forced to create these giants! Never mind the physical limitations of the act. And what of the nature of angels? Wings, seriously?

Trying to understand. Where does it state that all
angels have wings?

Nm

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So these aliens have figured out interstellar and, presumably, faster than light travel. Awesome! So why are they so awful at atmospheric flight? It's not like they've had one or two crashes, that'd be understandable. No, we're talking about dozens of crashes over the last 80 years or so. Seems weird to me that they apparently crash at higher rates than commercial airlines do.

Maybe they actually aren't so bright after all...

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Maybe there are more encounters than we know of that didn't end in crashes.

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PabloSerna said:

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Aliens are not demons because of their physical nature.

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I hear you. I'm as confused as you are. What procreated Nephilim in Genesis chapter 6? And maybe some do it again?
Lol. Maybe even the females that do it this time? Lord knows/I don't

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Google incubus and succubus. Also a little research on the alien abduction and cattle mutilation phenomena can be instructive.

"Fallen angels", other angels, demons, sons of God, Nephalim et. al. = beings from other star systems (we had assistance in constructing the pyramids..)

Daughters of men, sons of men, sons of Adam = our species

To ETs we may be nothing more than bacteria…maybe we're their little experiment gone wrong. I mean this planet is a hot mess!

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To ETs we may be nothing more than bacteria…maybe we're their little experiment gone wrong. I mean this planet is a hot mess!

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We are viewed as being very creative. Also, very emotional. Genetic alterations enhanced that supposedly.

Aztec1948 said:

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West Point Aggie said:

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To ETs we may be nothing more than bacteria…maybe we're their little experiment gone wrong. I mean this planet is a hot mess!

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We are viewed as being very creative. Also, very emotional. Genetic alterations enhanced that supposedly.

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Someone's been watching way too many Sci-Fi movies.

Aztec1948 said:

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"Fallen angels", other angels, demons, sons of God, Nephalim et. al. = beings from other star systems (we had assistance in constructing the pyramids..)

Daughters of men, sons of men, sons of Adam = our species

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Disagree with the idea that it was impossible for a human to build these wonders. Egyptians, Druid, Mayan, Inca, and other civilizations were able to figure this out.

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Aztec1948 said:

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To ETs we may be nothing more than bacteria…maybe we're their little experiment gone wrong. I mean this planet is a hot mess!

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We are viewed as being very creative. Also, very emotional. Genetic alterations enhanced that supposedly.

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Someone's been watching way too many Sci-Fi movies.

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Or too many "History" Channel shows.

PabloSerna said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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"Fallen angels", other angels, demons, sons of God, Nephalim et. al. = beings from other star systems (we had assistance in constructing the pyramids..)

Daughters of men, sons of men, sons of Adam = our species

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Disagree with the idea that it was impossible for a human to build these wonders. Egyptians, Druid, Mayan, Inca, and other civilizations were able to figure this out.

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It's awesome that the aliens went to such lengths to allow us to build an easy, stable shape using natural materials local to the area.

You'd think super high tech aliens would have a little more ingenuity and imagination. They should have done something like this:

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PabloSerna said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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"Fallen angels", other angels, demons, sons of God, Nephalim et. al. = beings from other star systems (we had assistance in constructing the pyramids..)

Daughters of men, sons of men, sons of Adam = our species

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Disagree with the idea that it was impossible for a human to build these wonders. Egyptians, Druid, Mayan, Inca, and other civilizations were able to figure this out.

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It's awesome that the aliens went to such lengths to allow us to build an easy, stable shape using natural materials local to the area.

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They were just huge fans of the Egyptian rulers. Maybe the religious turmoil that Aztec has been predicting means that the aliens are going to be able to confirm that the Egyptian gods and religions were true.

The security guard called and said, "Sir, there's a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I've got all the men out here with their weapons drawn." We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area… (A high-ranking Air Force officer) said, "Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported the incident were sent off to Vietnam." Captain Robert Salas, USAF, during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.

Nm

Hey Aztec: check this post out.



It's from Apologia Radio from yesterday.

Multidimensional beings…

I believe these are multidimensional beings.

Some are good and others are not. God placed a wall that we shouldn't summon them because we aren't glorified yet.

Once again, I remember the army of the Lord that appeared on a hill out of nowhere for Elijah and his servant.

It is rather arrogant of us to see how large the universe is and NOT consider the chance there could be life elsewhere HOWEVER all we have to go on from what God wants us to know and has given us is The Bible and it does not speak to things like that so honestly you don't try to decide yourself one way or another about it. What the Bible is clear on, Believe it and stand firm. What the Bible does not speak of, be open minded to review it with Scripture.

That said, if there is life elsewhere, the SAME God that gave us The Bible and Jesus created them as well and anything or anyone that shows up should not say or do anything contrary to Scripture or to put it lightly, they're not right.

Galatians 1:8-9 says "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"

So anything or anyone truly from God would not show up saying something contrary than what has already been preached. Like anything else, always measure things against the Bible and you'll be able to discern Truth from false fiction.

Don't know who knows who Chuck Missler is or not but he's a very smart and fascinating man of God, in the sense that he brings many topics under a Biblical focus. He was call these things Inter dimensional decades ago.

This is from years ago.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-x2wvXBt5qCtPei2nFOTMV

Good stuff. I've seen them as a child. And
I believe I've seen them as an adult once, but it was drug induced. Be careful out there. You don't want to
invite them while in this present life.

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It is rather arrogant of us to see how large the universe is and NOT consider the chance there could be life elsewhere HOWEVER all we have to go on from what God wants us to know and has given us is The Bible and it does not speak to things like that so honestly you don't try to decide yourself one way or another about it. What the Bible is clear on, Believe it and stand firm. What the Bible does not speak of, be open minded to review it with Scripture.

That said, if there is life elsewhere, the SAME God that gave us The Bible and Jesus created them as well and anything or anyone that shows up should not say or do anything contrary to Scripture or to put it lightly, they're not right.

Galatians 1:8-9 says "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"

So anything or anyone truly from God would not show up saying something contrary than what has already been preached. Like anything else, always measure things against the Bible and you'll be able to discern Truth from false fiction.

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Respectfully, I feel you've only really advocated for a position of humility toward answers which do not contradict previously accepted answers. It seems an open endorsement for confirmation bias.

Would it not also be arrogant to deny the possibility that our larger assumptions about God and the Bible are incorrect?

No because God will never lie and if He has told us already in His Word not to believe something different preached than what we have we are not to believe it like it says in Galatians.

I do get what you are saying or asking and in Revelation 22: 18-19 it says "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book."

That is basically saying if anyone tried to add or take away part of God's Word than it's not to be taken as legitimate and that is what you are asking I think. If I'm mistaken let me know. So if aliens or someone else showed up saying "We are from God and have this message", then that could be true IF it aligns with what the Bible already says and if it's truly from God it won't be anything contrary or something new because like I said, God does not lie and based on those verses I gave you, He won't be sending anything new to us because His current Word we have is sufficient.

This explanation also holds not just with aliens showing up but other religions or anyone trying to say they and OMLY them have some special knowledge, revelation or book from God. If it doesn't line up with Scripture then it's not true. God will AWAYS be Faithful to what He says. Hope that makes sense!

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No because God will never lie and if He has told us already in His Word not to believe something different preached than what we have we are not to believe it like it says in Galatians.

I do get what you are saying or asking and in Revelation 22: 18-19 it says "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book."

That is basically saying if anyone tried to add or take away part of God's Word than it's not to be taken as legitimate and that is what you are asking I think. If I'm mistaken let me know. So if aliens or someone else showed up saying "We are from God and have this message", then that could be true IF it aligns with what the Bible already says and if it's truly from God it won't be anything contrary or something new because like I said, God does not lie and based on those verses I gave you, He won't be sending anything new to us because His current Word we have is sufficient.

This explanation also holds not just with aliens showing up but other religions or anyone trying to say they and OMLY them have some special knowledge, revelation or book from God. If it doesn't line up with Scripture then it's not true. God will AWAYS be Faithful to what He says. Hope that makes sense!

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I think I understand your position. But again, I believe you are endorsing a doctrine which unapologetically endorses confirmation bias. Your position is that The Bible says "this". And anyone, anything, or any evidence for "that" can be discarded without consideration on the grounds that it is not "this".

If the aliens show up and have a religion with an undeniable exactness and similarity to Christianity, then would you consider this as supporting evidence for the correctness of Christianity?

And if the aliens show up and have a religion with an undeniable exactness and similarity to Hinduism, would you consider this as supporting evidence for the correctness of Hinduism?

If the answer is 'yes' to the first question and 'no' to the second, then I think this qualifies as a confirmation bias. And I don't mean to point this out as a judgement, but rather for the purposes of calling a spade a spade. If no evidence will convince you that Christianity is false then your belief in Christianity is not evidence based and any new information gained from aliens (or otherwise) is irrelevant.

How long are God's "days"? What did he do on the 8th "day"?

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Well all through history since Christ Christianity has had people trying to discredit or disprove it and it has all been unsuccessful because it is true and I understand yes if I was just blindly saying "this is true because well I just BELIEVE IT…END OF STORY" then that would be similar to what all religions do BUT not only do I have a personal experience of how Jesus has changed my life forever and for the better, I did investigate lots of questions about Christianity and its past and origins just like any follower of any religion should do when I first started inquiring about it and then ultimately became a follower of Christ.

For the Christian, the ultimate expression of truth is found in the person of Jesus who said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life and no one comes to the Father but through me…" (John 14:6). Jesus, who claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, and rose from the dead said that he alone was the Truth. He was either right or wrong. There is no in-between. If Jesus is wrong, then Christianity is wrong. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then we should abandon our faith because he would be no different than anyone else. If Jesus is not God in flesh, then we should denounce him as a madman because you can't claim to be God and be sane unless the claim is true. Therefore, if what Jesus said about himself is true, then Christianity is true.

Did Jesus fail to rise from the dead? If so, why could no one produce the body? Were the eyewitnesses of his resurrection really conspirators and liars? Then how did they concoct such a lie based on eyewitness accounts that could have been verified at that time? We have no historical refutations of the gospel claims. Why would people invent such a story that they knew would probably cost them their lives? Why would Paul, of Pharisees sent to destroy Christianity, suddenly convert and state that his conversion was based upon the appearance of the resurrected Christ? The answer to these questions is best found by believing that Jesus was who he said he was, performed miracles, and rose from the dead.
You see, Christianity is only as true as Jesus is true. If it can be shown that Jesus lied, failed to perform miracles, was not God in flesh, and did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is false and we are deceived.

So I agree with you we SHOULD look for evidence concerning our religion we follow and even though I didn't mention it above, there is a lot of historical evidence that backs up a lot of what the Bible says about the times, the people, the culture, etc. and it's not all made up. So to answer your question yes I have faith in what Jesus did in the cross for my and everyone else's Salvation and that he rose from the dead and was seen by over 500 verified witnesses of the day AFTER they had all seen him crucified and die. It's amazing feat yes that only the Lord could do and that's why it has made such an impact on so many people worldwide and is still going strong 2000 years later. So yes I base my beliefs on Faith AND evidence and we should always do that to see if it is true and if it is, it will stand up to those tests.

Hope this all makes sense and yes like you said I'm not trying to be judgmental or anything but just trying to help you understand how I arrived at my decision. I can tell you 150% it has changed my life for all eternity! And it open to anyone who asks and wants to follow Jesus! Glad we can talk about it!

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I think Christianity is supported by evidence, but I wouldn't say that it is "evidence-based". I'm not really sure any religion could be entirely evidence based. Humans are not built to change their entire worldview on a dime. Even if there was such a religion, then you have the entirely new problem of "who decides what counts as evidence?" This problem was amply demonstrated in China during Mao's tenure. There was no religion but the "science" of communism. When the country was being wrecked by following the dogmatic Communist playbook in the Great Leap Forward, any contrary evidence showing the disaster suddenly disappeared as did the people trying to present such evidence.

I like the point above. If aliens come teaching peace, patience, love, self-sacrifice, charity, hope and justice, (like the Federation of Planets from Star Trek) then we can know they follow our God at least in a tangential way. If they come guns blazing, exploiting, enslaving and torturing (like pretty much anyone in Warharmmer 40k), then we know they are contrary to God. More likely, it will be a situation where they are so foreign to us that we don't even operate on the same moral playing field.