How will main line denominations reconcile/approach the ET reality?

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7:18p, 6/19/23
Its demonic.

All are Gods creatures, they can be saved just like us.

These are simply Elohim Nifilim etc..

Something else?

"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to Aztec1948 • 8:01p, 6/19/23
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The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?
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In reply to dermdoc • 1:17a, 6/20/23
dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?
Yes my friend...quite a bit. But I can understand how/why folks might have a hard time processing it. Have worn those shoes.

Which camp would you lean to?
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to dermdoc • 7:14a, 6/20/23
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dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?

Have you not been paying attention to the videos with the blurry dots that seem to move around and have you not been watching Spiderman's videos about telepathic communication with aliens. What more do you want?
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In reply to kurt vonnegut • 7:59a, 6/20/23
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kurt vonnegut said:
dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?

Have you not been paying attention to the videos with the blurry dots that seem to move around and have you not been watching Spiderman's videos about telepathic communication with aliens. What more do you want?
Gimbals... I like gimbals.
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In reply to Aztec1948 • 9:29a, 6/20/23
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Aztec1948 said:
dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?
Yes my friend...quite a bit. But I can understand how/why folks might have a hard time processing it. Have worn those shoes.

Which camp would you lean to?
Wait a minute...The movie 'ET' is a true story? My mind has just been blown.
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In reply to Aztec1948 • 11:43a, 6/20/23
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Aztec1948 said:
dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?
Yes my friend...quite a bit. But I can understand how/why folks might have a hard time processing it. Have worn those shoes.

Which camp would you lean to?
The Jesus Christ is Lord camp.
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In reply to dermdoc • 1:56p, 6/20/23
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dermdoc said:
Aztec1948 said:
dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?
Yes my friend...quite a bit. But I can understand how/why folks might have a hard time processing it. Have worn those shoes.

Which camp would you lean to?
The Jesus Christ is Lord camp.
Bingo
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11:03p, 6/21/23
Yes, many will chose to simply ignore the issue. I did for the most part for 64 years. I've worn those shoes. It's a troubling reality.

I'd like to see the Pentagon man up and tell us what they really think. Perhaps thats on the burner....dunno.

It will be interesting to see how the reality effects the various religions. Especially since many believe they were all maintained if not begun by extraterrestrials. There is some data which most surely suggests this to be the case.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to Aztec1948 • 8:00a, 6/22/23
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Aztec1948 said:
Yes, many will chose to simply ignore the issue. I did for the most part for 64 years. I've worn those shoes. It's a troubling reality.

I'd like to see the Pentagon man up and tell us what they really think. Perhaps thats on the burner....dunno.

It will be interesting to see how the reality effects the various religions. Especially since many believe they were all maintained if not begun by extraterrestrials. There is some data which most surely suggests this to be the case.
How does the presence or absent of aliens take away from the truth that Jesus Christ is Lord?
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In reply to dermdoc • 9:48a, 6/22/23
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dermdoc said:
Aztec1948 said:
Yes, many will chose to simply ignore the issue. I did for the most part for 64 years. I've worn those shoes. It's a troubling reality.

I'd like to see the Pentagon man up and tell us what they really think. Perhaps thats on the burner....dunno.

It will be interesting to see how the reality effects the various religions. Especially since many believe they were all maintained if not begun by extraterrestrials. There is some data which most surely suggests this to be the case.
How does the presence or absent of aliens take away from the truth that Jesus Christ is Lord?


Respectfully, (very respectfully) I think you are being obtuse & avoiding a legit topic. You may not like the implication he is making but it is a a legit point.

People have questions & they deserve answers even if they are being an ass.

Christianity doesn't account for external intelligent non human life. God created the world, God created man in this world, God cleansed this world. God sent His Son to this world to save Man on this world.

The Bible does mention creating the Heaven and Stars obviously but these are SIMPLE man made writings and not necessarily totally inclusive of all the things God has done.

It's a question worth asking.

Does God not care about other intelligent life? No one says he has to. There's that.

Maybe they come and are like "yeah, we have known about Christ for 42,000 years."

It's possible that God was active but they have since lost their connection to divinity over time. Science and all…

Personally I don't believe there are other intelligent life forms so I'm not sweating it.

Fermi Paradox. If there are unlimited or billions of possible intelligent life forms we would know about something. We could be the first but it's pretty damned unlikely.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 10:26a, 6/22/23
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I had a way too deep conversation about this topic a while back. Some points/questions that came up

We don't know God didn't create other "earths" and other intelligent life.

If he did, there's no guarantee that they had/have free will.

If he did and they do, is it inevitable that they had a fall from grace as well?

If they exist, did God also create them in his image?

Will the intelligent life (assuming it exists) that makes contact be those that still adhere to a belief in God, or will it be those that have rejected their creator?

What will be their understanding of the nature of God and what does their history with the creator look like?

If they were created and had a fall, was the Son sent to save them too, was there an alternative, or have they been saved from their fall at all?

Fun questions to think about, but ultimately doesn't change the fact that Jesus is Lord.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 11:14a, 6/22/23
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CrackerJackAg said:
dermdoc said:
Aztec1948 said:
Yes, many will chose to simply ignore the issue. I did for the most part for 64 years. I've worn those shoes. It's a troubling reality.

I'd like to see the Pentagon man up and tell us what they really think. Perhaps thats on the burner....dunno.

It will be interesting to see how the reality effects the various religions. Especially since many believe they were all maintained if not begun by extraterrestrials. There is some data which most surely suggests this to be the case.
How does the presence or absent of aliens take away from the truth that Jesus Christ is Lord?


Respectfully, (very respectfully) I think you are being obtuse & avoiding a legit topic. You may not like the implication he is making but it is a a legit point.

People have questions & they deserve answers even if they are being an ass.

Christianity doesn't account for external intelligent non human life. God created the world, God created man in this world, God cleansed this world. God sent His Son to this world to save Man on this world.

The Bible does mention creating the Heaven and Stars obviously but these are SIMPLE man made writings and not necessarily totally inclusive of all the things God has done.

It's a question worth asking.

Does God not care about other intelligent life? No one says he has to. There's that.

Maybe they come and are like "yeah, we have known about Christ for 42,000 years."

It's possible that God was active but they have since lost their connection to divinity over time. Science and all…

Personally I don't believe there are other intelligent life forms so I'm not sweating it.

Fermi Paradox. If there are unlimited or billions of possible intelligent life forms we would know about something. We could be the first but it's pretty damned unlikely.


Your wrapping a whole bunch of stuff up in the question about the existence of ET. Having artifacts or dead aliens isn't all that interesting theologically. God created all things, so mere proof of existence only lets us know that God created ET.

ET's understanding of God is a much more interesting question, and for that, we would need communication with ET society (which doesn't appear to be the case yet). We can speculate on the reaction to each of the scenarios, but kinda useless.


As for your Fermi Paradox, while there might be billions of other intelligent life forms, the universe is vast and old and we haven't even really explored even our own solar system. Intelligent life may be dispersed through time and space enough that we wouldn't know. For example, what if intelligent life developed closer to the galactic core and has a vast space empire, but just haven't gotten around to the less dense spiral arms. Or maybe there was once this vast space empire that lasted a few million years, but collapsed a few hundred thousand years ago? Or we are the first in this galaxy but there are others in other galaxies and they haven't traveled between galaxies. Plenty of scenarios where lots of intelligent life could exist or could have existed but we wouldn't/couldn't know about it.

Heck, unless they are within about a hundred light years, they wouldn't even know we exist.
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In reply to BiochemAg97 • 11:28a, 6/22/23
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BiochemAg97 said:
CrackerJackAg said:
dermdoc said:
Aztec1948 said:
Yes, many will chose to simply ignore the issue. I did for the most part for 64 years. I've worn those shoes. It's a troubling reality.

I'd like to see the Pentagon man up and tell us what they really think. Perhaps thats on the burner....dunno.

It will be interesting to see how the reality effects the various religions. Especially since many believe they were all maintained if not begun by extraterrestrials. There is some data which most surely suggests this to be the case.
How does the presence or absent of aliens take away from the truth that Jesus Christ is Lord?


Respectfully, (very respectfully) I think you are being obtuse & avoiding a legit topic. You may not like the implication he is making but it is a a legit point.

People have questions & they deserve answers even if they are being an ass.

Christianity doesn't account for external intelligent non human life. God created the world, God created man in this world, God cleansed this world. God sent His Son to this world to save Man on this world.

The Bible does mention creating the Heaven and Stars obviously but these are SIMPLE man made writings and not necessarily totally inclusive of all the things God has done.

It's a question worth asking.

Does God not care about other intelligent life? No one says he has to. There's that.

Maybe they come and are like "yeah, we have known about Christ for 42,000 years."

It's possible that God was active but they have since lost their connection to divinity over time. Science and all…

Personally I don't believe there are other intelligent life forms so I'm not sweating it.

Fermi Paradox. If there are unlimited or billions of possible intelligent life forms we would know about something. We could be the first but it's pretty damned unlikely.


Your wrapping a whole bunch of stuff up in the question about the existence of ET. Having artifacts or dead aliens isn't all that interesting theologically. God created all things, so mere proof of existence only lets us know that God created ET.

ET's understanding of God is a much more interesting question, and for that, we would need communication with ET society (which doesn't appear to be the case yet). We can speculate on the reaction to each of the scenarios, but kinda useless.


As for your Fermi Paradox, while there might be billions of other intelligent life forms, the universe is vast and old and we haven't even really explored even our own solar system. Intelligent life may be dispersed through time and space enough that we wouldn't know. For example, what if intelligent life developed closer to the galactic core and has a vast space empire, but just haven't gotten around to the less dense spiral arms. Or maybe there was once this vast space empire that lasted a few million years, but collapsed a few hundred thousand years ago? Or we are the first in this galaxy but there are others in other galaxies and they haven't traveled between galaxies. Plenty of scenarios where lots of intelligent life could exist or could have existed but we wouldn't/couldn't know about it.

Heck, unless they are within about a hundred light years, they wouldn't even know we exist.


All of that covered in the Fermi paradox. Everyone comes to their own conclusions. The gist I get is there has to be a lot of excuses for why the obvious (if they did exist) hasn't happened.

Point being prior to that it doesn't prove or disprove anything because there are a million possible excuses or reasons for why someone still chooses to believe what they do.

We do that today without aliens. Faith sort of works that way.
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12:50p, 6/22/23
Many people have been visited by what they describe as ETs. Much research done by secular physicians has gone into recording these abductions and they come to an alarming finding that they resemble a demonic possession. Sleep paralysis is much the same. Personally and through discernment with the holy spirit I know it's unholy and demonic. They are only a creation of GOD in the sense that they were once angels.

Many I'm sure in the church have had these experiences but are too afraid to ask about them for fear of being shrugged off as loony or treated much in the manner some here have addressed it as too outlandish to be a real thing.

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In reply to dermdoc • 6:10p, 6/23/23
dermdoc said:
Aztec1948 said:
dermdoc said:
The ET "reality"?

Did I miss something?
Yes my friend...quite a bit. But I can understand how/why folks might have a hard time processing it. Have worn those shoes.

Which camp would you lean to?
The Jesus Christ is Lord camp.
^ This.
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In reply to AG @ HEART • 10:42p, 6/26/23
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Many people have been visited by what they describe as ETs. Much research done by secular physicians has gone into recording these abductions and they come to an alarming finding that they resemble a demonic possession. Sleep paralysis is much the same. Personally and through discernment with the holy spirit I know it's unholy and demonic. They are only a creation of GOD in the sense that they were once angels.

Many I'm sure in the church have had these experiences but are too afraid to ask about them for fear of being shrugged off as loony or treated much in the manner some here have addressed it as too outlandish to be a real thing.

Demons are et as are angels and what our primitive cultures termed "sons of God, Elohim et. al. ET psychic abilities are amazing and highly evolved. This is how they communicate. Think esp. Thought/consciousness is also incorporated into the vehicles navigation systems. These civilizations might be billions of years in advance of us. David and Robert are the ones deluded. Data suggests they were the ones to originate/maintain the major religions. Control mechanisms.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to FWAppraiser • 11:34p, 7/7/23
FWAppraiser said:
I had a way too deep conversation about this topic a while back. Some points/questions that came up

We don't know God didn't create other "earths" and other intelligent life.

If he did, there's no guarantee that they had/have free will.

If he did and they do, is it inevitable that they had a fall from grace as well?

If they exist, did God also create them in his image?

Will the intelligent life (assuming it exists) that makes contact be those that still adhere to a belief in God, or will it be those that have rejected their creator?

What will be their understanding of the nature of God and what does their history with the creator look like?

If they were created and had a fall, was the Son sent to save them too, was there an alternative, or have they been saved from their fall at all?

Fun questions to think about, but ultimately doesn't change the fact that Jesus is Lord.
Is a creator required?

I think the slow, deliberate et disclosure process was initiated in part to give the major religions time to plan. Adjust. Assess. Mitigate damage perhaps. Especially those that depend on deep psychological control mechanisms ala the Vatican.

"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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1:12p, 7/26/23
Under oath today.

So now that high ranking former military/intelligence official has claimed we have "exotic..not of this planet materials and vehicles".....where do we go from here?

I think 3 very important questions need to be asked and answered. Hopefully honestly.

Who initiated the original lie about Roswell?

Who has been responsible for its maintenance?

Why?



Here is a link to today's congressional hearing:
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to Aztec1948 • 2:35p, 7/26/23
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Really? Those are the questions we need to ask? How about, when do I get a flying car with alien technology?
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In reply to Aztec1948 • 3:23p, 7/26/23
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Aztec1948 said:
Under oath today.

So now that high ranking former military/intelligence official has claimed we have "exotic..not of this planet materials and vehicles".....where do we go from here?

I think 3 very important questions need to be asked and answered. Hopefully honestly.

Who initiated the original lie about Roswell?

Who has been responsible for its maintenance?

Why?



Here is a link to today's congressional hearing:
To date...answers to those questions have affected me in .....zero ways.

Unless aliens can reduce our taxes, decrease inflation, or help me regrow hair, I have way way way too many other important things in my life to worry about.

However, as far you your question about maintenance...I'm pretty sure it was Halliburton.
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BluHorseShu said:
Aztec1948 said:
Under oath today.

So now that high ranking former military/intelligence official has claimed we have "exotic..not of this planet materials and vehicles".....where do we go from here?

I think 3 very important questions need to be asked and answered. Hopefully honestly.

Who initiated the original lie about Roswell?

Who has been responsible for its maintenance?

Why?



Here is a link to today's congressional hearing:
To date...answers to those questions have affected me in .....zero ways.

Unless aliens can reduce our taxes, decrease inflation, or help me regrow hair, I have way way way too many other important things in my life to worry about.

However, as far you your question about maintenance...I'm pretty sure it was Halliburton.
The original question deals with how this reality will now effect religions.. Many researchers have said that one of the, if not THE primary reason for the cover-up is/was its effect on religion.

Believe it or not, this transcends the economy, hair loss and even taxes. Buckle up my friend..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to kurt vonnegut • 3:37p, 7/26/23
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Really? Those are the questions we need to ask? How about, when do I get a flying car with alien technology?
They won't be flying in the traditional sense if those come about. That's one of the big reasons for disclosing the reality. There ARE alternative energy systems. Trust the data. The many years of back engineering most likely has resulted in figuring out some of that. There are those who have been involved in "secret" programs our ours where this tech is being utilized. We will be hearing from those folks as well. The former Marine recently spoke about one of our craft he and his company encountered in Indonesia. It wasn't getting around on Jet A fuel...

Slowly the reality will be accepted; the giggles will subside..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Aztec1948 said:

The original question deals with how this reality will now effect religions.. Many researchers have said that one of the, if not THE primary reason for the cover-up is/was its effect on religion.

Believe it or not, this transcends the economy, hair loss and even taxes. Buckle up my friend..
I hope they look like the aliens from Childhood's End.
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Aztec1948 said:

The original question deals with how this reality will now effect religions.. Many researchers have said that one of the, if not THE primary reason for the cover-up is/was its effect on religion.

Believe it or not, this transcends the economy, hair loss and even taxes. Buckle up my friend..
I hope they look like the aliens from Childhood's End.
There are photos on the net already. Now, whether those are legit or not.....Perhaps some are. Some most likely are not....
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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In reply to kurt vonnegut • 5:23p, 7/26/23
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Aztec1948 said:

The original question deals with how this reality will now effect religions.. Many researchers have said that one of the, if not THE primary reason for the cover-up is/was its effect on religion.

Believe it or not, this transcends the economy, hair loss and even taxes. Buckle up my friend..
I hope they look like the aliens from Childhood's End.


I rather they look like Giant Robots from Outer Space. Far cooler. Far less depressing.
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The Presbyterian Church, USA (PCUSA) will want to know how many of them are gay, transgender, etc., and will want them to commit to reproductive justice (abortion).
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Anyone notice how much the UFOs look like birds.

Maybe Douglas Adam's was wrong and it's mice and ducks not mice and dolphins as the two smartest creatures on the planet
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In reply to Aggrad08 • 11:51p, 7/26/23
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Anyone notice how much the UFOs look like birds.

Maybe Douglas Adam's was wrong and it's mice and ducks not mice and dolphins as the two smartest creatures on the planet
Perhaps those et species evolved along the bird-like branch of their animal kingdom tree. Many appear to be more reptile like reportedly. The Hopi people of the US Southwest speak of the "Ant People". Perhaps they evolved in a different environment than on earth and developed features resembling ants? I find it interesting that many cultures have reptile/serpent/devils et. al. figures in their histories...

Many claim to be abducted by beings with oversized heads. In a million years or so, perhaps our species will have larger cranial capacities- larger heads?

Incredible time to be alive. Here is a good discussion by Ross C..

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“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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10:56a, 7/27/23
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So these aliens have figured out interstellar and, presumably, faster than light travel. Awesome! So why are they so awful at atmospheric flight? It's not like they've had one or two crashes, that'd be understandable. No, we're talking about dozens of crashes over the last 80 years or so. Seems weird to me that they apparently crash at higher rates than commercial airlines do.

Maybe they actually aren't so bright after all...
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1:34p, 7/27/23
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To add to rocag
The trick with creatures capable of FTL is that our understanding of special relativity shows that even FTL communication let alone travel can cause causality paradoxes.

Curious to solve this and still crash in a cornfield or get caught on camera when you didn't intend
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In reply to Rocag • 3:52p, 7/27/23
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Unless they WANTED to crash!!!!

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8:46p, 7/27/23
I doubt in traveling the speed of light. So I'm going to go with these being spiritual or metaphysical beings of sorts as my first guess.

I'm reminded of the army of the Lord that appeared on the hill out of nowhere for Elijah and his servant in the Bible.
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 9:44p, 7/27/23
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They were there the whole time
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10:36p, 7/27/23
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The federal govt has to stoop to "aliens" to distract the absolute crap show in DC.
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