Has the Paris Accord decreased temperatures anywhere?

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I'm genuinely surprised about your response to this. The Pope is obviously outside his wheelhouse here and should not be commenting this way. Public criticism may be the only way he even hears feedback on what he says. Paul corrected Peter in public, why should the Church not correct the Holy Father? It can be done respectfully on a message board even.

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If it is done respectfully is one thing, I don't see an issue with that. None of what has been said on this thread is respectful criticism. Fraternal correction is important, and is the appropriate channel for these sorts of things, such as between the Apostles St.Peter and St.Paul.

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Dies Irae said:

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Dies Irae said:

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AggieRain said:

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Dies Irae said:

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Thaddeus73 said:

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This is so religious...


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-calls-for-an-end-to-the-era-of-fossil-fuel-in-prayer-for-creation-message/

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You should not be posting about the Pope in negative ways in public.

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No one is above criticism.

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Definitely not, but the Church is our mother, and even if you have a bad mother, you shouldnt air your dirty laundry in Public, keep it in the family.

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The Pope put this in public. Are you suggesting this neomarxist tripe is magisterial teaching?

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No, only that he is currently the Vicar of Christ, and deserves the respect that comes with it

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I respect the truth and agree he is the vicar of Christ. Unfortunately his political sensibilities and/or the political sensibilities of those he chooses to surround himself with are sympathetic to neomarxism, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think it is disrespectful to state the obvious?

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It was the Pope's political activism that compelled me to take a long, hard, look at him and of the doctrine of Catholicism which culminated in my leaving that system. I realized that the Pope was NOT following the example of Jesus as evidenced by his frequent forays into the political realm, something that Jesus NEVER did nor did the apostles. Soon thereafter I realized that both the Pope and the Catholic Church are "of the world".

1 John 5:19
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

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This is a terrible reason for leaving the Catholic Church

Dies Irae said:

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File5 said:

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I'm genuinely surprised about your response to this. The Pope is obviously outside his wheelhouse here and should not be commenting this way. Public criticism may be the only way he even hears feedback on what he says. Paul corrected Peter in public, why should the Church not correct the Holy Father? It can be done respectfully on a message board even.

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If it is done respectfully is one thing, I don't see an issue with that. None of what has been said on this thread is respectful criticism. Fraternal correction is important, and is the appropriate channel for these sorts of things, such as between the Apostles St.Peter and St.Paul.

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I am not criticizing the Pope and I also pray we could get rid of fossil fuels. The problem is that what I see is wealth redistribution rather than solutions.

dermdoc said:

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Dies Irae said:

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File5 said:

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I'm genuinely surprised about your response to this. The Pope is obviously outside his wheelhouse here and should not be commenting this way. Public criticism may be the only way he even hears feedback on what he says. Paul corrected Peter in public, why should the Church not correct the Holy Father? It can be done respectfully on a message board even.

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If it is done respectfully is one thing, I don't see an issue with that. None of what has been said on this thread is respectful criticism. Fraternal correction is important, and is the appropriate channel for these sorts of things, such as between the Apostles St.Peter and St.Paul.

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I am not criticizing the Pope and I also pray we could get rid of fossil fuels. The problem is that what I see is wealth redistribution rather than solutions.

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You're not Catholic, you can criticize away. Also, wealth redistribution is entirely Catholic, just normally of a voluntary nature.

The poor are mentioned many times in scripture, always with the mandate to help them (but never at the expense of worshipping Christ), similarly the rich are mentioned many times, always with the admonition that their wealth won't buy them paradise, and that they should share with the less fortunate.

As a Catholic, I try to see what each Pope can teach us. The Popes of my lifetime: St.John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis, all have different themes.

St.John Paul II preached against the evils of both Communism and unchecked Consumerism, his review of 19th century Catholic Social Teaching on the economy, Centesimus Annus, is probably the most important encyclical that changed my life. He also showed the passion, and the vitality of the church, and in perseverance through hardship at the end.

Benedict XVI showed us the value of orthodoxy, and beauty of the history and traditions of the Church. The necessity and reasoning behind the Traditions, and how philosophy helmed illuminate the sacred mysteries.

Francis is showing the never ending mercy of the Father, who welcomes the prodigal son back no matter what he has done. He points to the humility of Christ, in his out reach to those at the margins. Some may say that he is a product of his upbringing and that he has gone too far in stretching and breaking the limits of what is permissible and appropriate, I will not argue. However, I think his heart is in the right place even if his mind isn't. I will say he has challenged me personally more than any other Pope.

dermdoc said:

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First of all, as a Christian I am all in favor of voluntary charitable giving, or voluntary "wealth redistribution". if you will. And I think it is effective.

How does forced or voluntary wealth redistribution lower temperatures? It seems absurd to me.

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In trying to understand Laudato Si, it seems that the argument is that first world nations have a standard of living that requires harvesting resources (both human and natural) from 3rd world countries and paying them a pittance. Essentially that you have westerners with 6 tv's per house and multiple cars and blah blah blah and the huge energy requirement and you have poor countries with nothing. Now the western countries are using much cleaner energy than the poor countries, but still the Pope is almost always going to sympathize with the poor.

I do not think their hearts are in the right place

Dies Irae said:

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M1Buckeye said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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AggieRain said:

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Dies Irae said:

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Thaddeus73 said:

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This is so religious...


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-calls-for-an-end-to-the-era-of-fossil-fuel-in-prayer-for-creation-message/

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You should not be posting about the Pope in negative ways in public.

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No one is above criticism.

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Definitely not, but the Church is our mother, and even if you have a bad mother, you shouldnt air your dirty laundry in Public, keep it in the family.

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The Pope put this in public. Are you suggesting this neomarxist tripe is magisterial teaching?

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No, only that he is currently the Vicar of Christ, and deserves the respect that comes with it

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I respect the truth and agree he is the vicar of Christ. Unfortunately his political sensibilities and/or the political sensibilities of those he chooses to surround himself with are sympathetic to neomarxism, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think it is disrespectful to state the obvious?

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It was the Pope's political activism that compelled me to take a long, hard, look at him and of the doctrine of Catholicism which culminated in my leaving that system. I realized that the Pope was NOT following the example of Jesus as evidenced by his frequent forays into the political realm, something that Jesus NEVER did nor did the apostles. Soon thereafter I realized that both the Pope and the Catholic Church are "of the world".

1 John 5:19
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

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This is a terrible reason for leaving the Catholic Church

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But it explains his posting style. He's still trying to convince himself he did the right thing.

RAB91 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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M1Buckeye said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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AggieRain said:

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Dies Irae said:

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Thaddeus73 said:

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This is so religious...


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-calls-for-an-end-to-the-era-of-fossil-fuel-in-prayer-for-creation-message/

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You should not be posting about the Pope in negative ways in public.

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No one is above criticism.

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Definitely not, but the Church is our mother, and even if you have a bad mother, you shouldnt air your dirty laundry in Public, keep it in the family.

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The Pope put this in public. Are you suggesting this neomarxist tripe is magisterial teaching?

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No, only that he is currently the Vicar of Christ, and deserves the respect that comes with it

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I respect the truth and agree he is the vicar of Christ. Unfortunately his political sensibilities and/or the political sensibilities of those he chooses to surround himself with are sympathetic to neomarxism, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think it is disrespectful to state the obvious?

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It was the Pope's political activism that compelled me to take a long, hard, look at him and of the doctrine of Catholicism which culminated in my leaving that system. I realized that the Pope was NOT following the example of Jesus as evidenced by his frequent forays into the political realm, something that Jesus NEVER did nor did the apostles. Soon thereafter I realized that both the Pope and the Catholic Church are "of the world".

1 John 5:19
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

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This is a terrible reason for leaving the Catholic Church

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But it explains his posting style. He's still trying to convince himself he did the right thing.

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You can continue to follow and exalt the Pope but I'm going to follow Jesus. No problem.

M1Buckeye said:

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RAB91 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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M1Buckeye said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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AggieRain said:

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Dies Irae said:

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Thaddeus73 said:

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This is so religious...


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-calls-for-an-end-to-the-era-of-fossil-fuel-in-prayer-for-creation-message/

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You should not be posting about the Pope in negative ways in public.

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No one is above criticism.

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Definitely not, but the Church is our mother, and even if you have a bad mother, you shouldnt air your dirty laundry in Public, keep it in the family.

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The Pope put this in public. Are you suggesting this neomarxist tripe is magisterial teaching?

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No, only that he is currently the Vicar of Christ, and deserves the respect that comes with it

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I respect the truth and agree he is the vicar of Christ. Unfortunately his political sensibilities and/or the political sensibilities of those he chooses to surround himself with are sympathetic to neomarxism, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think it is disrespectful to state the obvious?

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It was the Pope's political activism that compelled me to take a long, hard, look at him and of the doctrine of Catholicism which culminated in my leaving that system. I realized that the Pope was NOT following the example of Jesus as evidenced by his frequent forays into the political realm, something that Jesus NEVER did nor did the apostles. Soon thereafter I realized that both the Pope and the Catholic Church are "of the world".

1 John 5:19
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

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This is a terrible reason for leaving the Catholic Church

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But it explains his posting style. He's still trying to convince himself he did the right thing.

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You can continue to follow and exalt the Pope but I'm going to follow Jesus. No problem.

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Jesus was the first person to institute and exalt the Pope while giving him his charge, in the Gospels of Matthew and John.

Do not be like those who said "this teaching is hard, who can accept it?"

The Church is His body, that He has instituted to lead His flock in His earthly absence. Defy that at your own risk.

dermdoc said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Dies Irae said:

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AggieRain said:

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Dies Irae said:

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Thaddeus73 said:

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This is so religious...


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-calls-for-an-end-to-the-era-of-fossil-fuel-in-prayer-for-creation-message/

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You should not be posting about the Pope in negative ways in public.

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No one is above criticism.

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Definitely not, but the Church is our mother, and even if you have a bad mother, you shouldnt air your dirty laundry in Public, keep it in the family.

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The Pope put this in public. Are you suggesting this neomarxist tripe is magisterial teaching?

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Concern about the environment is Marxist, now? What exactly isn't Marxist?

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Concern about the environment is good.

All the "solutions" I have seen are socialist in nature. Basically having rich countries transferring wealth to poor countries.

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What is it you think socialist means?

I'm suspect this is just the latest version of patriotag / Barnes so i wouldn't work too hard trying to figure his motives out.

Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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First of all, as a Christian I am all in favor of voluntary charitable giving, or voluntary "wealth redistribution". if you will. And I think it is effective.

How does forced or voluntary wealth redistribution lower temperatures? It seems absurd to me.

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In trying to understand Laudato Si, it seems that the argument is that first world nations have a standard of living that requires harvesting resources (both human and natural) from 3rd world countries and paying them a pittance. Essentially that you have westerners with 6 tv's per house and multiple cars and blah blah blah and the huge energy requirement and you have poor countries with nothing. Now the western countries are using much cleaner energy than the poor countries, but still the Pope is almost always going to sympathize with the poor.

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And that is fine. How does sending poor countries money help cool things off? And why is that even a suggestion?

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PabloSerna said:

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Naa.. Pope is very consistent and this is right in line with his 2015 Encyclical, Laudato si.

Ecological justice is a

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He's uninformed when it comes to stuff like this.

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I know this will fall on deaf ears, however, I am constantly impressed by the work of the Church in so many areas, most people would say is not in our "wheelhouse."

When it comes to caring for the environment, the RCC among others, has not only inserted itself into the discussion, they have helped put a face on those most affected by the increasing destruction of the world's natural resources such as the rain forests in South America.

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences can trace its early formation back to 1603 and counts Galileo Galilea (1610) among its early members. Today the work of this body with 80 Pontifical Academicians many of whom are among the top in their respective fields of study, help guide the RCC on the many fronts of the mission.

Pope Francis's 2015 Encyclical, Laudato Si, is a fusion of both science, theological reflection, and biblical exegesis that properly inform the church's response to a very serious problem facing mankind- the care for our planet.

PabloSerna said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Naa.. Pope is very consistent and this is right in line with his 2015 Encyclical, Laudato si.

Ecological justice is a

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He's uninformed when it comes to stuff like this.

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I know this will fall on deaf ears, however, I am constantly impressed by the work of the Church in so many areas, most people would say is not in our "wheelhouse."

When it comes to caring for the environment, the RCC among others, has not only inserted itself into the discussion, they have helped put a face on those most affected by the increasing destruction of the world's natural resources such as the rain forests in South America.

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences can trace its early formation back to 1603 and counts Galileo Galilea (1610) among its early members. Today the work of this body with 80 Pontifical Academicians many of whom are among the top in their respective fields of study, help guide the RCC on the many fronts of the mission.

Pope Francis's 2015 Encyclical, Laudato Si, is a fusion of both science, theological reflection, and biblical exegesis that properly inform the church's response to a very serious problem facing mankind- the care for our planet.

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Again that is great. How does redistributing wealth cause temperatures to go down?

And my ears are not deaf. If anyone can prove redistributing wealth helps the climate, I am all ears.

And has raising taxes on nicotine and alcohol caused any difference in their use and abuse?

Reconstructing the Future for People and Planet

Here's a good place to start.

Doc, do you seriously think it JUST about redistribution of wealth?

PabloSerna said:

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Reconstructing the Future for People and Planet

Here's a good place to start.

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I am watching A&M baseball so will defer on reading for now.

What specific solutions do they back?

I am all for things that will actually help the environment. And not just redistribute wealth to soothe guilt.
The Paris Accord was and is a joke.

dermdoc said:

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Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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First of all, as a Christian I am all in favor of voluntary charitable giving, or voluntary "wealth redistribution". if you will. And I think it is effective.

How does forced or voluntary wealth redistribution lower temperatures? It seems absurd to me.

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In trying to understand Laudato Si, it seems that the argument is that first world nations have a standard of living that requires harvesting resources (both human and natural) from 3rd world countries and paying them a pittance. Essentially that you have westerners with 6 tv's per house and multiple cars and blah blah blah and the huge energy requirement and you have poor countries with nothing. Now the western countries are using much cleaner energy than the poor countries, but still the Pope is almost always going to sympathize with the poor.

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And that is fine. How does sending poor countries money help cool things off? And why is that even a suggestion?

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I don't think that sending monies to poorer countries helps cool things off. I think the Pope is saying that it helps to mitigate some of the damage done by climate change, for those poorer countries. Again, I am not giving you my opinion, just what I think the Pope's point is.

Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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First of all, as a Christian I am all in favor of voluntary charitable giving, or voluntary "wealth redistribution". if you will. And I think it is effective.

How does forced or voluntary wealth redistribution lower temperatures? It seems absurd to me.

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In trying to understand Laudato Si, it seems that the argument is that first world nations have a standard of living that requires harvesting resources (both human and natural) from 3rd world countries and paying them a pittance. Essentially that you have westerners with 6 tv's per house and multiple cars and blah blah blah and the huge energy requirement and you have poor countries with nothing. Now the western countries are using much cleaner energy than the poor countries, but still the Pope is almost always going to sympathize with the poor.

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And that is fine. How does sending poor countries money help cool things off? And why is that even a suggestion?

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I don't think that sending monies to poorer countries helps cool things off. I think the Pope is saying that it helps to mitigate some of the damage done by climate change, for those poorer countries. Again, I am not giving you my opinion, just what I think the Pope's point is.

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And that is okay too. But just say what you are doing and do not use climate change to advance socialism.

Just say you want to help poor people. The problem is most of the poor countries are ruled by despots and the poor will never get the money. And the money will actually aid evil.

DOC - Pray for the Ags!!! BTHO Vandy!

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This particular conference back in 2022 was about development, housing, green building, and other efforts to reduce harmful CO2 emissions. Basically I wanted to point out that "redistribution of wealth" is not the only way to lower global warming.

dermdoc said:

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And has raising taxes on nicotine and alcohol caused any difference in their use and abuse?

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Wait, what?

Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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First of all, as a Christian I am all in favor of voluntary charitable giving, or voluntary "wealth redistribution". if you will. And I think it is effective.

How does forced or voluntary wealth redistribution lower temperatures? It seems absurd to me.

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In trying to understand Laudato Si, it seems that the argument is that first world nations have a standard of living that requires harvesting resources (both human and natural) from 3rd world countries and paying them a pittance. Essentially that you have westerners with 6 tv's per house and multiple cars and blah blah blah and the huge energy requirement and you have poor countries with nothing. Now the western countries are using much cleaner energy than the poor countries, but still the Pope is almost always going to sympathize with the poor.

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Did you just tap out after the first paragraph?

dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DOC - Pray for the Ags!!! BTHO Vandy!

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This particular conference back in 2022 was about development, housing, green building, and other efforts to reduce harmful CO2 emissions. Basically I wanted to point out that "redistribution of wealth" is not the only way to lower global warming.

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Actually all of those take money. So it is about redistribution of wealth.

And BTHO Vandy!

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Umm.. no. This IS my wheelhouse.

Do you still buy incandescent light bulbs?

dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Naa.. Pope is very consistent and this is right in line with his 2015 Encyclical, Laudato si.

Ecological justice is a

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He's uninformed when it comes to stuff like this.

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I know this will fall on deaf ears, however, I am constantly impressed by the work of the Church in so many areas, most people would say is not in our "wheelhouse."

When it comes to caring for the environment, the RCC among others, has not only inserted itself into the discussion, they have helped put a face on those most affected by the increasing destruction of the world's natural resources such as the rain forests in South America.

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences can trace its early formation back to 1603 and counts Galileo Galilea (1610) among its early members. Today the work of this body with 80 Pontifical Academicians many of whom are among the top in their respective fields of study, help guide the RCC on the many fronts of the mission.

Pope Francis's 2015 Encyclical, Laudato Si, is a fusion of both science, theological reflection, and biblical exegesis that properly inform the church's response to a very serious problem facing mankind- the care for our planet.

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Again that is great. How does redistributing wealth cause temperatures to go down?

And my ears are not deaf. If anyone can prove redistributing wealth helps the climate, I am all ears.

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I think I can make a fairly simple case that redistributing wealth will help the climate. Poorer countries are faced with burning coal or their people dying from privation due to their lack of ability to invest in cleaner burning forms of energy. Whether climate change is man-made or not, releasing less CO2 in the environment would be a good thing regardless.

PabloSerna said:

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Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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First of all, as a Christian I am all in favor of voluntary charitable giving, or voluntary "wealth redistribution". if you will. And I think it is effective.

How does forced or voluntary wealth redistribution lower temperatures? It seems absurd to me.

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In trying to understand Laudato Si, it seems that the argument is that first world nations have a standard of living that requires harvesting resources (both human and natural) from 3rd world countries and paying them a pittance. Essentially that you have westerners with 6 tv's per house and multiple cars and blah blah blah and the huge energy requirement and you have poor countries with nothing. Now the western countries are using much cleaner energy than the poor countries, but still the Pope is almost always going to sympathize with the poor.

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Did you just tap out after the first paragraph?

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Not at all my friend. Symphatizing with the poor will not change temperatures. Makes people feel better and may do some good.

But does not change the climate.