The context is David was caught in adultery/murder and was heartbroken over his sin.codker92 said:
3 For I know my transgressions and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done hwat is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words and
blameless in your judgment.
Psalm 51:3-4.
lobopride said:The context is David was caught in adultery/murder and was heartbroken over his sin.codker92 said:
3 For I know my transgressions and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done hwat is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words and
blameless in your judgment.
Psalm 51:3-4.
In the end a proper understanding of sin is that in the end it is against God alone the sin is counted.
Did David wrong Bathsheba? Of course he did. Did David wrong Uriah? Of course he did. Ultimately the sin that David committed was against God.
I don't see how you come up with the "David sinned on purpose" portion of your statement. David saw a beautiful women and feel into lust. As is usually the case, one sin leads to another until we reach a destination we never could have imagined.codker92 said:lobopride said:The context is David was caught in adultery/murder and was heartbroken over his sin.codker92 said:
3 For I know my transgressions and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done hwat is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words and
blameless in your judgment.
Psalm 51:3-4.
In the end a proper understanding of sin is that in the end it is against God alone the sin is counted.
Did David wrong Bathsheba? Of course he did. Did David wrong Uriah? Of course he did. Ultimately the sin that David committed was against God.
Ok but how does David's sin justify what God do. Wouldn't God be more righteous if He stopped David's sin? Sounds to me like David sinned on purpose to uphold Gods honor. God Himself has found all humans sinful. Genesis 6:4. So if David didn't sin, God would be wrong.
lobopride said:I don't see how you come up with the "David sinned on purpose" portion of your statement. David saw a beautiful women and feel into lust. As is usually the case, one sin leads to another until we reach a destination we never could have imagined.codker92 said:lobopride said:The context is David was caught in adultery/murder and was heartbroken over his sin.codker92 said:
3 For I know my transgressions and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done hwat is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words and
blameless in your judgment.
Psalm 51:3-4.
In the end a proper understanding of sin is that in the end it is against God alone the sin is counted.
Did David wrong Bathsheba? Of course he did. Did David wrong Uriah? Of course he did. Ultimately the sin that David committed was against God.
Ok but how does David's sin justify what God do. Wouldn't God be more righteous if He stopped David's sin? Sounds to me like David sinned on purpose to uphold Gods honor. God Himself has found all humans sinful. Genesis 6:4. So if David didn't sin, God would be wrong.
From man's perspective humans have free will, while at the same time God is fully sovereign. Equally true is that man is still responsible for his own sin. I would recommend reading Romans 9.
Romans 9:19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?" 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
Here is a cool video that might shed a little light on your question.
FTACo88-FDT24dad said:
I think the contrast in how David wants and expects God to effect his forgiveness is quite a contrast to Luther's snow covered dung pile.
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Have mercy on me, God, in accord with your merciful love; in your abundant compassion blot out my transgressions.
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Thoroughly wash away my guilt; and from my sin cleanse me.
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Behold, you desire true sincerity; and secretly you teach me wisdom.
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Cleanse me with hyssop,* that I may be pure; wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
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Turn away your face from my sins; blot out all my iniquities.
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A clean heart create for me, God; renew within me a steadfast spirit.
