Plain and SIMPLY Explained, just what makes Religion wrong or EVIL

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BusterAg
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Just pointing out that in a world with no objective truth, you can defend some truly bizarre things.

The Christian legacy of this culture does have value, and not as gaurdrails to restrict otherwise "harmless" behavior.
BusterAg
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Are you the same guy that has been going around telling people to be more open to the use of psychedelic mushrooms?
Dilettante
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Regardless of whether objective truth exists, there are no proofs of true statements. It's unknowable. People who don't believe in objective truth come to wacky conclusions. People who believe in objective truth come to wacky conclusions. People are wacky.
Aggrad08
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Pretense at objective truth buys you no defense of the bizarre.

Just about every single YEC belief counts as bizarre disproved and absurd and they do so with the assurance that you have objective truth on your side.
kurt vonnegut
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BusterAg said:

Just pointing out that in a world with no objective truth, you can defend some truly bizarre things.

The Christian legacy of this culture does have value, and not as gaurdrails to restrict otherwise "harmless" behavior.

My quad facepalm was directed at jim.

But, since you mentioned it, I'll echo Dillettante's and Aggrad's sentiment that claiming that objective truth exists and being God and being able to understand that objective truth are different things. I don't think you are God. A lot of people claim different and conflicting objective truths. None of that gets us anywhere.
BusterAg
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I don't know about that.

The world sure is a whole lot better than it was in 200bc. And Western Culture, with an overt or at least undercurrent of judeo Christian values led the way.

So, I wouldn't say it doesn't get us Anywhere....

Here is pretty damn good by historical standards.
kurt vonnegut
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BusterAg said:

I don't know about that.

The world sure is a whole lot better than it was in 200bc. And Western Culture, with an overt or at least undercurrent of judeo Christian values led the way.

So, I wouldn't say it doesn't get us Anywhere....

Here is pretty damn good by historical standards.


Sure, I certainly applaud Christianity for being reluctantly pliable enough to permit social, economic, and scientific change that has benefitted mankind. Any utility Christianity has had in making 'here' pretty good has little to do with whether or not it reflects any objective truth.
Sapper Redux
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BusterAg said:

I don't know about that.

The world sure is a whole lot better than it was in 200bc. And Western Culture, with an overt or at least undercurrent of judeo Christian values led the way.

So, I wouldn't say it doesn't get us Anywhere....

Here is pretty damn good by historical standards.


Did it lead the way? Maybe in the last 400 years (though that's debatable, probably more like 300), but global progress before the early modern era was centered in the Islamic world, India, and China. Part of why Europe wound up colonizing the Americas was because it was cut off from the centers of wealth and power and wanted a cut.
PabloSerna
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OP -

If you are referring to the idea that "holy" means set aside, it only because it is for a special purpose. Not unapproachable.

I don't follow you logic on "preying" except for the idea that you oppose religion in general because you assume it to be a form of mind control. Umm, it's not. Praying is our way of communicating with God. God has given us free will. You don't have to pray at all. We choose this.

Last point- You and I are not gods. We are embodied spirits that were created by a true God. This God infused a soul into our physical form that was meant to live forever. This is why some of us as we get older lament on the passing of time and our aging bodies. One day, God will come again and raise up everyone that has fallen asleep (died). God will establish a Kingdom for all and we (those that choose to believe) will be a real part of this heaven!

Can't wait :-)



jimtmcdaniels
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So you don't think tax free exemptions are pushing it?
You don't think our elected officials appearing in church or praying for that photo opt is pushing it?

Not many Governments want their laws based on religion...the inhumanity and crazyiness is too much.
Just look at the Taliban.

BTW we religious people are supporting the evil Taliban as doesn't all religions stand up and support the other?
They say "we will honor and respect your be-a-lie-fs if you honor and respect ours"!
jimtmcdaniels
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I will leave you gods to your delusion.

See you on the other side one day and it will be a real hell for you when I said "I told you so".

I mean, did you really think we would allow the abusers to escape their denial and consequence and hell upon the earth they allowed while here? Think again.

Eternity is a long time for you to live with your poor decisions and eternal regret.

While I feel sorry for you, there is really nothing more I can do for you is there?
I mean you can lead a god to water but you can not make them drink.

Church=C-Hurt=C-Children-Hurt
Perhaps a terrible event in your Karma will catch up and wake you up.

But you've already become so intoxicated on the kool-aide....
swimmerbabe11
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wait, so you think religion is evil and terrible, but you believe in bad Karma?
Star Wars Memes Only
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Aggie4Life02
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Everyone has a god: that which you believe is ultimately responsible for your existence.

Everyone has a religion: that which is your ultimate unprovable assumption in which your worldview is based.

Those who think they have no god and no religion are the most enslaved by them.
kurt vonnegut
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The most enslaved are the ones who are the most certain that they are right.
Aggrad08
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This is absurdity meant to take everyone down to the same level and excuse all weakness of apologetics as being equal to all other views.

It's simply incorrect.
PabloSerna
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HIS-Story
PabloSerna
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JimT,

Before you vanish - please tell me what your definition of "god" is?

Aggie4Life02
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Aggrad08 said:

This is absurdity meant to take everyone down to the same level and excuse all weakness of apologetics as being equal to all other views.

It's simply incorrect.


I don't see how it does that at all. I think you are reading more into what I said than what I actually said.

Not all worldviews are equal.
PabloSerna
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Sounds more like Relativism to me.
DirtDiver
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Plain and SIMPLY Explained, just what makes Religion wrong or EVIL

The Moral Argument. When defining "wrong" and "evil" you are assuming there is an absolute standard outside of yourself in which you make these assertions. Religion is wrong or evil according to this standard......

If there is no God, there is no objective standard.

This means religion is evil or wrong according to your own standard which is okay, however that fact that you are declaring your standard to others when there is no objective standard is a waste of time or you have a self contradicting view of the world. You are not practicing what you are preaching.



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    instead of us coming powerfully together each week to give some of our time and money to fix the problems of our world like starvation and war and make this a REAL-ity heaven(having) on earth for all, instead come together to continue an illusion of an invisible god and teach this to our innocent children. So trap a lot of caring loving people into doing nothing substantial to fix our world.
9 Therefore the Samaritan woman *said to Him, "How is it that You, being a Jew, ask me for a drink since I am a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) 10 Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." 11 She *said to Him, "Sir, You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep; where then do You get that living water? 12 You are not greater than our father Jacob, are You, who gave us the well, and drank of it himself and his sons and his cattle?" 13 Jesus answered and said to her, "Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."
bmks270
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This may be true of your Catholic Church experience and other cults, but it's not true of all Christian congregations or all other religious practices.

You're statements are premised on an unwillingness to recognize a being higher than yourself. That is the height of self centered ego. I suggest you need to tackle that before rejecting God.
bmks270
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OP, if you really are open to hearing alternative views, which I assume you are by posting this thread, then read this book:

"The Second Coming of The New Age"
by Steven Bancarz and Josh Peck
PabloSerna
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Yay? We (RCC) have achieved "cult" status!
jkag89
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On and off we've more or less have had this status for as long as I've been on TexAgs.
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