To my fellow Christians, do you believe in demons and that they are among us?

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M1Buckeye
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My answer is "yes" to both.

The bible speaks of demons many times. It seems to me that many Christians are skeptical of the existence of demons.

How about you?
Quad Dog
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I thought of posting a similar thread the other day when I read on here that some posters believe that other Religion's God's are really demons.

I've never heard this anywhere else outside a few posters here before. That other Gods are real, but they are actually demons for the true God to conquer. Is this a mainstream Christian belief? Or is this a fringe thing?

To me this feels to me like a reverse engineered way to make your religion the only real one.

All of those other Gods that people worshipped way before ours: they were just sons, or demons, or angels, or whatever of the real God. All of those other groups had it wrong, we are the only ones that got it right, trust us.

Sources...
https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3211888
Codker92:
"Commentary: God has power over the gods of Egypt."
"Well let's think about it. The Psalms say that no other God is equal to Yahweh. Psalm 89:6 (LEB): For who in the sky is equal to Yahweh? Who is like Yahweh among the sons of God,

To say that other Gods don't exist is to say that God is greater than nothing, which isn't much. I would say that just about everything and everyone is better than nothing."
"There actually is. It's called the divine council, and they rule with God."

Zobel:
"I agree with codker on this. The scriptures are clear that there are other divine beings - gods - which are real. They are the sons of God, part of the divine council, and serve as regents and agents in creation. They are angelic beings, and these are who the Lord and St Paul are referring to when they speak about being sons of God, equal to the angels, etc.

St Paul doesn't say the gods of the nations are imaginary, he says the gods of the nations are demons. Fallen angels, angels who were assigned nations to lead and guide but fell by rebelling against The Most High God and accepting worship in his place.

The promise of salvation is an extension of the promise to Abraham - that we are to become like the stars. His offspring are to like them in both quality and quantity.

There is much scriptural support for all of this in both the OT and NT."
"I also think it is a mistake for us to take the other side of the dialogue as ridiculous superstition, dreamed up by backwards fools. The ancients were not fools. St Paul doesn't say the gods of the nations don't exist, he says they're demons. Zeus wasn't imaginary."

PacifistAg
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No scare quotes this time?
Quad Dog
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Sorry if I created a tangent for OP, but to add some questions to OP.
Are the demons that you believe in literal stereotypical demons with tails and horns or whatever you imagine when thinking of demons? The kind of demon the Exorcist movie is about?


Or is it a shorthand to describe a person that the secular medical community would diagnose with some mental illness that causes them to do things that Christian consider wrong?
Aggrad08
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From what I've seen Christians usually believe other gods are either wholly fabricated or merely incomplete or corrupted glimpses of the real god.

If you look to the OT however, the strongest and most straightforward interpretation is that the authors viewed the other gods as very real and inferior to their god. It's it's most complete sense they are monalaristic.

If you actually look at the history not simply the Bible. The Jews progressed from polytheistic to henotheistic to monalaristic, and then monotheistic.

Many believers rationalize this as progressive revelation.
dermdoc
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I believe in demons.

You sure post a lot like patriot401 or whomever who tried to dox pacifist.
PacifistAg
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Yes!!!! I was wondering who he reminded me of!
jrico2727
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Psalm 96:5
For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens.

It is in scripture and the orthodox view to see gods of false religions as devils or demons.
Demons are fallen angels. They are spiritual beings so they do not have a body or physical form. They were created for good but given free will choose to oppose God's will and chose not to serve. Cast down from heaven by St Michael and his angles they have worked ceaselessly to drag souls to hell. Why? Because they hate God, and God wills all men to go to heaven.

PacifistAg
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But yes, I believe demons are very real. Greg Boyd's Crucifixion of the Warrior God and God at War go into this in great detail.
M1Buckeye
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jrico2727 said:

Psalm 96:5
For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens.

It is in scripture and the orthodox view to see gods of false religions as devils or demons.
Demons are fallen angels. They are spiritual beings so they do not have a body or physical form. They were created for good but given free will choose to oppose God's will and chose not to serve. Cast down from heaven by St Michael and his angles they have worked ceaselessly to drag souls to hell. Why? Because they hate God, and God wills all men to go to heaven.


Correct. Demons are spiritual beings that, along with Satan, rebelled against God.
craigernaught
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I don't think humans need demons' help to be demonic.
M1Buckeye
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I believe that Satan and his demons are EVERYWHERE and work constantly to tempt us to rebel against God. Why do they do this?

It's because they HATE God. God created us "in our image" Genesis 1:26 God created us to be holy and to follow him.

Demons love to mock God by tempting God's beloved creation to not believe in him or otherwise reject him through sin.

I'm confident that some of the world's most prolific killers were under tremendous demonic influence or possibly even outright possession.

Satan and his demons hate God and they HATE us because we are the "apple in God's eyes" and are destined to enjoy paradise with him for eternity. They wish to offend God but tricking people into a life that is displeasing to God. Even those that believe in God are subject to tremendous demonic influence. After all, non-believers are already in their proverbial pocket. I imagine a demon gets no greater satisfaction than persuading a Christian into committing a horrendous sin.

As the bible says...

1 John 5:19
English Standard Version
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.



Yes, the leader of this world is Satan. Satan and his demons lead this world. That is why there is so much war, murder, crime, and corruption.
M1Buckeye
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craigernaught said:

I don't think humans need demons' help to be demonic.
We were born into a sinful world. We are under demonic influence 24/7/365. We can choose to give into temptation or we can seek Jesus and try to follow his word. We're never going to be able to emulate Jesus, but we must try.
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M1Buckeye
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Peter Strozk definitely appeared to be under demonic influence here.
Zobel
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Poe's Law strikes again
M1Buckeye
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Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?
PacifistAg
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M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?

Uh......
M1Buckeye
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PacifistAg said:

M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?

Uh......
You're trolling - again.
UTExan
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dermdoc said:

I believe in demons.

You sure post a lot like patriot401 or whomever who tried to dox pacifist.


Why not ask him directly?
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
jkag89
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M1Buckeye said:

PacifistAg said:

M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?

Uh......
You're trolling - again.
No he is simply pointing out your inattentiveness.
PacifistAg
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M1Buckeye said:

PacifistAg said:

M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?

Uh......
You're trolling - again.
How am I trolling? You asked Zobel, of all people, if he's an atheist. Being shocked by such an absurd question isn't trolling. If you're going to use a term, use it properly.

But no, Zobel is not an atheist. Nothing in his posting history would lead one to even remotely consider that. You have engaged enough on here to know this, but you love tossing this line of questioning out there.
M1Buckeye
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jkag89 said:

M1Buckeye said:

PacifistAg said:

M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?

Uh......
You're trolling - again.
No he is simply pointing out your inattentiveness.

I'm new here. I don't know everyone's beliefs. That's why I asked him. What's the problem with that?
M1Buckeye
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UTExan said:

dermdoc said:

I believe in demons.

You sure post a lot like patriot401 or whomever who tried to dox pacifist.


Why not ask him directly?

He accepted that I am not "patriot". We're good now.
M1Buckeye
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Never argue with a fool.
PacifistAg
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M1Buckeye said:

jkag89 said:

M1Buckeye said:

PacifistAg said:

M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

Poe's Law strikes again
Are you an atheist?

Uh......
You're trolling - again.
No he is simply pointing out your inattentiveness.

I'm new here. I don't know everyone's beliefs. That's why I asked him. What's the problem with that?

How long are you going to continue to use the "but I'm new here" excuse as a way to question the faith of Christians here? You've engaged with zobel, and you've done so enough to not jump to that assumption that he may be an atheist.
Zobel
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No, I'm not an atheist.
M1Buckeye
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Zobel said:

No, I'm not an atheist.
Ok thanks.

Do you believe in demons? Do you believe that they are active in worldly affairs? Perhaps I misinterpreted your post but I gleaned that you were mocking that belief.
Zobel
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No, I'm mocking you. Taking some random screenshots from a video of a person you disagree with politically and ascribing them to demonic possession is so ridiculous as to border on parody. Hence, Poe's law.
M1Buckeye
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Zobel said:

No, I'm mocking you. Taking some random screenshots from a video of a person you disagree with politically and ascribing them to demonic possession is so ridiculous as to border on parody. Hence, Poe's law.
Peter Strozk is sleaze. He's either an atheist or a "Christian" in name only. He's a VERY evil man and is quite likely under great demonic influence and possibly possessed.

Are you a political leftist?
PacifistAg
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M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

No, I'm mocking you. Taking some random screenshots from a video of a person you disagree with politically and ascribing them to demonic possession is so ridiculous as to border on parody. Hence, Poe's law.
Peter Strozk is sleaze. He's either an atheist or a "Christian" in name only. He's a VERY evil man and is quite likely under great demonic influence and possibly possessed.

Are you a political leftist?

Goodness.
M1Buckeye
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Zobel said:

No, I'm mocking you.
You sound like one of those people who are wonderful Christians until you have to actually apply Christ's teachings to yourself. I certainly don't understand why you launched this unprovoked attack on me. That obviously says a lot about your character or lack thereof.
PacifistAg
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M1Buckeye said:

Zobel said:

No, I'm mocking you.
You sound like one of those people who are wonderful Christians until you have to actually apply Christ's teachings to yourself. I certainly don't understand why you launched this unprovoked attack on me. That obviously says a lot about your character or lack thereof.

And there's the victim card, crying about being attacked while you repeatedly attack people.

He mocked the fact that you took very selectively chosen screenshots meant to paint someone in a bad light, and used them to diagnose demonic possession.
Zobel
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I don't know Peter Strzok. I've never met him, I don't know anything about him. I certainly don't know enough to say he's evil or possessed. These kind of statements are irresponsible and uncharitable.

I know I'm a sinner, and that's about where it ends. It is none of my business to judge another.

I am not a political leftist.

I also don't know how you could possibly determine whether I apply Christ's teaching to myself based on anything I've written here. There's been no attack on you. There's been open ridicule of you accusing people you've never met and know nothing about of being evil and demon possessed based on political affiliation. That's silly, and deserves ridicule.
M1Buckeye
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Zobel said:

I don't know anything about him.
But you know enough about him to mock me for believing that he is under demonic influence.

That's fine. You do you.
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