When the last soul has descended and the Guf is empty, the first infant to be born without a soul, born dead as such an infant must be, will herald the death of the world and so is called the final sign. Then all of the sparrows will grow silent, and the world, as we know it, will end.
"The Treasury of Souls," in Howard Schwartz, The Tree of Souls: The Mythology of Judaism (Oxford University Press, 2004), 166.

I agree with the writer. Once the last soul is born. Humanity is doomed.

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so that why christ come back or what?

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The Angel that rides on the cloud comes back.

Revelation 14:1416 (LEB): And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud was seated one like a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud, "Send out your sickle and reap, because the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe!" 16 And the one seated on the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

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thats good yes?

humanity restored to its creator is good

you seem like you dont like that. why not?

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The time between the two isn't specified.

OP - did you just watch this movie?

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When the last soul has descended and the Guf is empty, the first infant to be born without a soul, born dead as such an infant must be, will herald the death of the world and so is called the final sign. Then all of the sparrows will grow silent, and the world, as we know it, will end.

"The Treasury of Souls," in Howard Schwartz, The Tree of Souls: The Mythology of Judaism (Oxford University Press, 2004), 166.

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If you'd attributed this to Melisandre on Game of Thrones I would have totally believed it's something she said on the show.

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It's ok to abort a fetus that doesn't have a soul, right?

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I think abortion is ok to preserve a nation chosen by God.

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Old Army Ghost said:

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thats good yes?

humanity restored to its creator is good

you seem like you dont like that. why not?

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The time between the two isn't specified.

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so there will be a time where no sparrows sing and a bunch of souless people walk around?

this is weird

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It sounds strange but it is the truth. God made His covenant on Sinai with more people than were there. That is, souls till in the treasury and people yet to be born made the covenant with Him in Sinai.

Deuteronomy 29:1415 (LEB): Now I am not making this covenant and this oath with you alone. 15 But with whoever is standing here with us today before Yahweh our God, and with whoever is not standing here with us today

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OP - did you just watch this movie?

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Haha no. Looks interesting though.

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codker92 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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thats good yes?

humanity restored to its creator is good

you seem like you dont like that. why not?

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The time between the two isn't specified.

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so there will be a time where no sparrows sing and a bunch of souless people walk around?

this is weird

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It sounds strange but it is the truth. God made His covenant on Sinai with more people than were there. That is, souls till in the treasury and people yet to be born made the covenant with Him in Sinai.

Deuteronomy 29:1415 (LEB): Now I am not making this covenant and this oath with you alone. 15 But with whoever is standing here with us today before Yahweh our God, and with whoever is not standing here with us today

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i dont know i dont see anything in exodus about sparrows stop singing and soulless people inheriting the earth

seems like you make a completely illogical conclusiom with no justification and cant explain kt

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All souls which existed from Adam onward and which will exist until the end of the world, all these were created in the first six days of creation, and they were all in the garden of Eden. The covenant on Sinai also applies to them, even though they weren't there.

When do they enter a body?

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When do they enter a body?

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They already have a body.

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thats good yes?

humanity restored to its creator is good

you seem like you dont like that. why not?

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The time between the two isn't specified.

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so there will be a time where no sparrows sing and a bunch of souless people walk around?

this is weird

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It sounds strange but it is the truth. God made His covenant on Sinai with more people than were there. That is, souls till in the treasury and people yet to be born made the covenant with Him in Sinai.

Deuteronomy 29:1415 (LEB): Now I am not making this covenant and this oath with you alone. 15 But with whoever is standing here with us today before Yahweh our God, and with whoever is not standing here with us today

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i dont know i dont see anything in exodus about sparrows stop singing and soulless people inheriting the earth

seems like you make a completely illogical conclusiom with no justification and cant explain kt

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All souls which existed from Adam onward and which will exist until the end of the world, all these were created in the first six days of creation, and they were all in the garden of Eden. The covenant on Sinai also applies to them, even though they weren't there.

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what bible you reading?

and where are the silent sparrows and souless people in it?

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2 Baruch 23:3-5

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/pseudepigrapha/2Baruch.html

The sparrows are silent because they are in the bellies of the godless men left to starve after the tribulation. Jeremiah 14.

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oh so you use nkt the bible

no wonder i cant understand what you are writing about it isnt christian

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Syriac Orthodox considers 2 Baruch Scripture. The account of men eating sparrows, thus making them silent is in Jeremiah 14.

The passage says nothing about soulless people inheriting the earth. Try actually reading it.

The souls have a body when they're created, before they get to earth?

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The souls have a body when they're created, before they get to earth?

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Yeah they are embodied in heaven as on earth. The substance is different, but they are the same person.

What about NPCs?

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What about NPCs?

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They are just husks used to build character through impossible escort missions.

*writing furiously on notepad*

Escorts..,. build..,. character.

Got it. This whole religion thing is sounding better and better.

Questions like this are better left to God to figure out.

Talking about when the last soul will be born is about as fruitless as a man talking about the exact day and time his house will be robbed.

Sad to say there were infants and babies caught up in the great flood of Genesis. What of them?

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Questions like this are better left to God to figure out.

Talking about when the last soul will be born is about as fruitless as a man talking about the exact day and time his house will be robbed.

Sad to say there were infants and babies caught up in the great flood of Genesis. What of them?

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They are sons and daughters of Giants. We are better off with them dead.

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What about NPCs?

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Holy crap! NPCs have been around for years now - we are doomed.

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The souls have a body when they're created, before they get to earth?

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Yeah they are embodied in heaven as on earth. The substance is different, but they are the same person.

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I don't believe this is biblical. There are more clear references to man being formed in the womb. I think you are bundling Jewish tradition to be as true as the Bible itself. That is your prerogative to believe the way you want. So I'll frame my question about merely a clarification about your point (that I don't agree with at any level - but find intellectually interesting in why you asked the specific question in the OP)

Isn't this belief also tied to the idea that the Messiah does not come until all the souls have been born? Meaning either you believe Jesus was not the Messiah or that all of us alive today are soulless shells?

I came to this thread with every intention to make jokes...but um.. this thread got much too odd.

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The souls have a body when they're created, before they get to earth?

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Yeah they are embodied in heaven as on earth. The substance is different, but they are the same person.

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I don't believe this is biblical. There are more clear references to man being formed in the womb. I think you are bundling Jewish tradition to be as true as the Bible itself. That is your prerogative to believe the way you want. So I'll frame my question about merely a clarification about your point (that I don't agree with at any level - but find intellectually interesting in why you asked the specific question in the OP)

Isn't this belief also tied to the idea that the Messiah does not come until all the souls have been born? Meaning either you believe Jesus was not the Messiah or that all of us alive today are soulless shells?

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You probably know it as the spiritual body that Paul talks about in the NT. Paul didn't just make that up. He read it in the Jewish literature and OT of his day. He took it an synthesized it for western culture in 1 Cor 14:43-45.