All churches, including Gateway, have its shortcomings, since they are created and ministered by broken imperfect people just like you and me! However - Gateway changed my life and truly was a turning point in my walk with Christ.

That being said, Jimmy Evans started a 4 week series on the end times this past Sunday. I just watched the first sermon, and wow - I did not realize HOW ACCURATE the Bible has been and will be regarding this topic.

I would encourage anybody who is interested in the end times to watch this sermon - it's about 30 minutes. Fast forward to 27:00 to begin the sermon.

https://gatewaypeople.com/series/tipping-point?sermon=when-did-the-end-begin

Sadly, eschatology seems to be ignored by many clergy today. The oppression is great today, both on the level of American popular culture and physical oppression. I truly believe the angel in Daniel was describing a realm in which spiritual authorities are assigned territorial domains.

End times sermon series during a pandemic?

And, promoting a book for your flock to buy as well?

Bold strategy, Cotton.

False prophet. There is no rapture followed by a Christian-less tribulation.

Unbelievable that so many believe this nonsense...

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End times sermon series during a pandemic?

And, promoting a book for your flock to buy as well?

Bold strategy, Cotton.

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Agreed! - one reason Gateway is not my primary church anymore is because of things like promoting books, paid conferences all the time, etc. - however just get past that and the actual breakdown of scripture & specific timelines is very intriguing.

Intriguing like the Left Behind fictional fantasy until you learn the truth from God's Word. Here are 4 websites I suggest you explore on the false gospel that is premillennialism.

www.thywordistruth.com
www.gospelway.com
www.apologeticspress.org
www.christiancourier.com

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actual breakdown of scripture & specific timelines is very intriguing.

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Thats the thing. Jesus's parables make the timelines irrelevant, right? Were supposed to be ready for it to be like...right now, right?

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actual breakdown of scripture & specific timelines is very intriguing.

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Thats the thing. Jesus's parables make the timelines irrelevant, right? Were supposed to be ready for it to be like...right now, right?

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Absolutely

I was referring to it being intriguing through the lens of non-believers - There are a lot of folks that base everything off of science and numbers - and to show them bible events with exact historical dates could really move the needle for them, or at least convince them to do some research!

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Thats the thing. Jesus's parables make the timelines irrelevant, right? Were supposed to be ready for it to be like...right now, right?

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Amen. I posted before that I do not remember the Early Church being pre millennial, amillennial, or whatever. They just knew Jesus was coming back again.

I might also recommend looking at the Orthodox theology on the end times. The Kingdom is here now.

When you leaving Grace Fellowship for that orthodox church, Derm!

My wife would never become Orthodox. And I feel like God wants me at Brazos Fellowship because of the folks I have met.

I just lean on Orthodox theology when I am confused about Scripture as I believe it is the most sound.

And to be honest, there are so many Protestant theologies on the End Times(and just about everything else)it gets very confusing. I find Orthodox theology consistent and unchanging.

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My wife would never become Orthodox. And I feel like God wants me at Brazos Fellowship because of the folks I have met.

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You and I are not so different.

I am part of a church body that I disagree with the strategic focus of the leadership, but I too feel the call to serve that body in this season.

Yep. I listen to that "still small voice of the Spirit" and it tells me I am supposed to be where I am.

And any disagreements we have had is my fault due to my problem with scrupulosity.

Premillennialism, sinners prayers, concert style worship, infant sprinkling, burning incense etc- none of these are a "doctrine of Christ" but are all man made based on feelings... scripture teaches anyone who trusts in their own heart is a fool (Prov 28:26)...do not be deceived

2 John 9
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son

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Premillennialism, sinners prayers, concert style worship, infant sprinkling, burning incense etc- none of these are a "doctrine of Christ" but are all man made based on feelings... scripture teaches anyone who trusts in their own heart is a fool (Prov 28:26)...do not be deceived

2 John 9
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son

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Explain to me what's wrong with concert style worship

Also would like to know how you worship?

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So what about baptism of infants via infusion or full immersion?

Scripture teaches us to sing (not play). There is zero evidence and/or authorization for instrumental accompaniment in the New Testament churches. Zero. Silence isn't permissive, or at least it shouldn't be.

Can an infant repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38)?? Can an infant confess Jesus Christ risen from the dead (Rom 10:9) ?? Can an infant believe (Mark 16:16; Heb 11:6) ???

Then why add "sprinkling" at all?

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Scripture teaches us to sing (not play). There is zero evidence and/or authorization for instrumental accompaniment in the New Testament churches. Zero. Silence isn't permissive, or at least it shouldn't be.

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Does the Old Testament count as Scripture?

Psalm 150 1-6
Psalm 98 4-6
1 Chronicles 23:5
Genesis 4:21
Revelation 5 8-14
Revelation 14 2-3
Psalm 150 3-4
Amos 6:5
Psalm 81 1-2
Luke 15 21-25
2 Chronicles 29:25
Revelation 18:22
2 Samuel 6:5
Joel 2:1
Nehemiah 12:27
1 Chronicles 16 5-6
1 Chronicles 15:16
Psalm 33:2
Psalm 149:3
Psalm 68:25
2 Chronicles 7:6
Psalm 150:4

Sorry I got tired. But there are a lot more.

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Scripture teaches us to sing (not play). There is zero evidence and/or authorization for instrumental accompaniment in the New Testament churches. Zero. Silence isn't permissive, or at least it shouldn't be.

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Nothing in the New Testament about microphones, any projection systems, computers, air conditioning, etc.

Doc you're obviously not a serious student of the inspired scriptures because I've listed online resources numerous times, even in this thread, and you continually use the same tired rebuttals. And if you think any of the verses you listed are authoritative for NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH assemblies, then so be it. You're not a serious Bible student.

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Doc you're obviously not a serious student of the inspired scriptures because I've listed online resources numerous times, even in this thread, and you continually use the same tired rebuttals. And if you think any of the verses you listed are authoritative for NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH assemblies, then so be it. You're not a serious Bible student.

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You are correct. I am a non serious Bible student. But I love all my brothers in Christ.

Have a great night and God bless!

Did God change? Is our God not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Is God human, that He should lie, or a human being, that He should change His mind?

Where in the New Testament scripture does it say that the Old Testament is no longer valid or authoritative? Let's talk about that, first.

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This is literally the logical fallacy argument from silence. Impressive.

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Can an infant repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38)?? Can an infant confess Jesus Christ risen from the dead (Rom 10:9) ?? Can an infant believe (Mark 16:16; Heb 11:6) ???

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Can an adult repent of their own will, or does grace precede always - can we do some apart from Him, or nothing (John 15:5)? Can a human confess Jesus Christ because flesh and blood revealed it, or because the Father does(Matthew 16:17)?

Can you explain the mystery of repentance and come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ without the Holy Spirit? Or do we understand and confess when we receive the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:12)? Does this happen before or after baptism in the scriptures?

On the other hand - baptism is the fulfillment of the shadow of circumcision (Colossians 2:11). What age were people circumcised, do you know?

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Scripture teaches us to sing (not play). There is zero evidence and/or authorization for instrumental accompaniment in the New Testament churches. Zero. Silence isn't permissive, or at least it shouldn't be.

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Man, I'm no biblical scholar, and in fact I'm reading through the bible for the first time as we speak. However I know one of the things Jesus accomplished with the new covenant was breaking down the burden of legalism.

I also know I have had some of my closest moments in the presence of God during worship with guitars,drums, etc present. The idea that God would be looking down and shaking his finger at all 3000 of us since we have some music going just doesn't seem like his character.

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Scripture teaches us to sing (not play). There is zero evidence and/or authorization for instrumental accompaniment in the New Testament churches. Zero. Silence isn't permissive, or at least it shouldn't be.

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Man, I'm no biblical scholar, and in fact I'm reading through the bible for the first time as we speak. However I know one of the things Jesus accomplished with the new covenant was breaking down the burden of legalism.

I also know I have had some of my closest moments in the presence of God during worship with guitars,drums, etc present. The idea that God would be looking down and shaking his finger at all 3000 of us since we have some music going just doesn't seem like his character.

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Legalism is not following God's directions, but man-made rules, and on this one you are correct.

However, as far as your video goes, he says so much that is so wrong, I hardly no where to begin. But I'll say there is no "Jewish" year of 360 days. First off, it's not a "Jewish" year, but GOD's year as GOD tells us how HE keeps days and years.

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Legalism is not following God's directions, but man-made rules, and on this one you are correct.

However, as far as your video goes, he says so much that is so wrong, I hardly no where to begin. But I'll say there is no "Jewish" year of 360 days. First off, it's not a "Jewish" year, but GOD's year as GOD tells us how HE keeps days and years.

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OK I guess you got him on the "God" vs. "Jewish Year."

Explain to me the other things he has wrong! I am learning. Crazy to see a guy who has 40+ years of study in this be wrong on so many points apparently. Not defending him at all, by the way!

The last days were not first predicted by Daniel chapter 9. They were predicted in Genesis 1. Also, if you want to preach prophecies of Yeshua and you don't start in Leviticus 23, you are almost certain to get off track. And 40 years is only a small time to go off in error, because mankind has been going off into error since creation and continues to do so. BTW, you appear to be new here, so it's probably a good idea to tell you make understanding of scriptural internation mostly closely aligns with Messianic Judaism, so that's not something you've likely encountered yet.

And it's not just God verse Jewish year. It's not 360 days long. His exact calculation to the day is a ridiculous joke. Anyone who knows so little about what scripture actually says and the Jewish culture to which it was given and makes such ridiculous statements, should be avoided, IMO.

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The last days were not first predicted by Daniel chapter 9. They were predicted in Genesis 1. Also, if you want to preach prophecies of Yeshua and you don't start in Leviticus 23, you are almost certain to get off track. And 40 years is only a small time to go off in error, because mankind has been going off into error since creation and continues to do so. BTW, you appear to be new here, so it's probably a good idea to tell you make understanding of scriptural internation mostly closely aligns with Messianic Judaism, so that's not something you've likely encountered yet.

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Where in Genesis 1?

7th day is a Sabbath. 7 day; 7 thousand years. The seventh millennium is a Sabbath; also called the millennial kingdom.

Remember the Sabbath day; to keep it holy.