On Tuesday July30, 2019 the The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, the Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith, Dean of Washington National Cathedral and the Rev. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas, Canon Theologian of Washington National Cathedral wrote a letter to the nation regarding the current status of decency in our nation today. Taken from the National Cathedral website and the letter content, the church challenges us all examine our conscience and behavior.
"What those at the National Cathedral understand indeed, what their Christian faith teaches is that before pointing fingers, individuals ought to first ask themselves, "Is it I?" Do I accept hate-filled speech? Do I spread false narratives or exaggerated perceptions? Do I stand for truth and do so with kindness?
When does silence become complicity? What will it take for us all to say, with one voice, that we have had enough? The question is less about the president's sense of decency, but of ours."
It is time for all, regardless of your political belief to examine our conscience and determine if, we as individuals, stand for decency.
All religions should adopt and be verbal regarding this call to decency. All Americans, whether religious or not, should decide 'is it time that I stand for decency in today's society and our United States and to voice that "we have had enough?"

You missed the point. As I stated it is time for decency regardless of your political belief.

What is decency except the social expectations of a local majority? Decent in Dallas and decency in NYC look different. As far I as can tell there is no such thing as universal decency

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You missed the point. As I stated it is time for decency regardless of your political belief.

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There's nothing decent about referring to oneself as "reverend"...so try again ha

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And fwiw, Trump is indecent. But so are the unmentioned dem pols not mentioned in the op. And we will never get decency when people play partisan games like the people in the op did.

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Why can't you admit Trump is indecent without also pointing out that democratic politicians are as bad or worse in the same sentence? Look, next time you post an article from someone like Jerry Falwell that points out indecency on the left and my response is "Fine, some on the left are indecent - but look at how bad the right is" . . . then you should call me out.

I should be able to hear a valid criticism of Hillary Clinton and not get on the defensive such that I am not willing to recognize that criticism until the condition of reciprocal criticism to the right is agreed upon and acknowledged. Same goes for the right and Trump.

Hillary was a snake. Her being a snake is not predicated on the actions and behavior of Trump or anyone else on the right.

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And fwiw, Trump is indecent. But so are the unmentioned dem pols not mentioned in the op. And we will never get decency when people play partisan games like the people in the op did.

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Why can't you admit Trump is indecent without also pointing out that democratic politicians are as bad or worse in the same sentence? Look, next time you post an article from someone like Jerry Falwell that points out indecency on the left and my response is "Fine, some on the left are indecent - but look at how bad the right is" . . . then you should call me out.

I should be able to hear a valid criticism of Hillary Clinton and not get on the defensive such that I am not willing to recognize that criticism until the condition of reciprocal criticism to the right is agreed upon and acknowledged. Same goes for the right and Trump.

Hillary was a snake. Her being a snake is not predicated on the actions and behavior of Trump or anyone else on the right.

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Because if as the op article states that you are truly looking for decency from both sides you do not just criticize one side.

Why can't you admit thy have an agenda and are biased? I can sure admit that about Falwell.

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"What those at the National Cathedral understand indeed, what their Christian faith teaches is that before pointing fingers, individuals ought to first ask themselves, "Is it I?" Do I accept hate-filled speech? Do I spread false narratives or exaggerated perceptions? Do I stand for truth and do so with kindness?
When does silence become complicity? What will it take for us all to say, with one voice, that we have had enough? The question is less about the president's sense of decency, but of ours."

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Does not compute. This is a mockery of actual humility. This is asking people to look at themselves in order to judge others. Completely wrong. Completely backwards. The truth is to say - we should not judge, we should forgive and ask for forgiveness. We should repent.

That's why this is a farce, and a transparent political statement couched in Christian language.

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Yep.

For the record, can you post a few examples of signicant political figures on the left being indecent?

And this thread, as I have thought from the beginning, is not on the right forum imho.

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Sure. Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy. And add Anthony Weiner. And the guy from NY who lied about being in Vietnam.

The way Pelosi handled Obamacare was pretty bad. Hillary and her "deplorables". Obama and his folks clinging to guns and Bibles. And of course his lies about Obamacare. The Muslim congresslady and her anti Semitic remarks.

And edited to add constant unfounded(at least to me)shouts of racism, sexism, and xenophobia. Almost forget bigot which is one of the most misused words of all time.

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Yes, all those things. The democratic leaders suck.

If Rush Limbaugh went on a tirade about how the Clinton's destroyed the life of an intern, I would agree with him despite his agenda and bias and the fact that I think he's a **** human being.

If you show me a video from Ann Coulter condemning Ted Kennedy for getting drunk and killing a woman. . . yeah, I'm going to agree despite that fact that Ann Coulter may just be the Anti-Christ. And I can even agree with her without offering any whataboutisms.

If you have some criticisms you want to share about Anthony Weiner for his inappropriate texts, man, I'm with you.

So again - Do you reject the criticism in the OP because those with political or social disagreements to Trump are not permitted to levy criticism? Does the bias of the source negate validity of the argument? If George Bush or Mitch McConell or the ghost of Ronald Regan had made the argument about Trump would you nod along and say "he's right!" Fine, the OP and the Washington National Cathedral have an agenda, that doesn't make them wrong.

And yes - I have an agenda and bias. It doesn't stop me from being able to acknowledge the many flaws from the left. And my acknowledge of those flaws to you does not hinge on the precondition that you also accept that the right has flaws.

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And only one side backs baby killing for the most part. Which is the most indecent thing to me.

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Nah, both sides do. The difference is location and method. One side uses doctors and PP here. The other uses drones/war in foreign nations.

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And only one side backs baby killing for the most part. Which is the most indecent thing to me.

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Nah, both sides do. The difference is location and method. One side uses doctors and PP here. The other uses drones/war in foreign nations.

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Obama loved him some drones now.

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Oh, you'll get no pushback from me on that. The # of bombs/drones used just seems to increase with each administration, regardless of party. War/killing is good for their business.

Number of bombs dropped per day/year,per the Pentagon:
Bush: 24 per day; 8,750 per year
Obama: 34 per day; 12,500 per year
Trump: 121 per day; 44,096 per year

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For the record, can you post a few examples of signicant political figures on the left being indecent?

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Do we consider dehumanizing language such as 'white privilege' and 'white fragility' examples too or would you contest that? It opens up the pool significantly...

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nope

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Sure. Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy. And add Anthony Weiner. And the guy from NY who lied about being in Vietnam.

The way Pelosi handled Obamacare was pretty bad. Hillary and her "deplorables". Obama and his folks clinging to guns and Bibles. And of course his lies about Obamacare. The Muslim congresslady and her anti Semitic remarks.

And edited to add constant unfounded(at least to me)shouts of racism, sexism, and xenophobia. Almost forget bigot which is one of the most misused words of all time.

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You're not going to get any argument that the Clintons suck and Teddy skated by on his name, but Weiner went jail and the others, IMO, fall pretty short of the tone of what we're talking about today.

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For the record, can you post a few examples of signicant political figures on the left being indecent?

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Do we consider dehumanizing language such as 'white privilege' and 'white fragility' examples too or would you contest that? It opens up the pool significantly...

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nope

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Then perhaps it's time for a little self reflection on your part. Demographers and Democrats have reveled in population replacement and invented terms to grant themselves permission to ignore people on the basis of their skin. Indecency is not restricted to the GOP.

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No need to self reflect on this issue. I can give 10 pages on this thread of examples of white priviledge. The fact that you deny its existence is a huge part of the problem.

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For the record, can you post a few examples of signicant political figures on the left being indecent?

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Do we consider dehumanizing language such as 'white privilege' and 'white fragility' examples too or would you contest that? It opens up the pool significantly...

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nope

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Then perhaps it's time for a little self reflection on your part. Demographers and Democrats have reveled in population replacement and invented terms to grant themselves permission to ignore people on the basis of their skin. Indecency is not restricted to the GOP.

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No need to self reflect on this issue. I can give 10 pages on this thread of examples of white priviledge. The fact that you deny its existence is a huge part of the problem.

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10 pages? From this thread? Got to be a psych major.