k2aggie07 said:
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And I really hate to put a damper on those die hard Catholics on here but Jesus was very clear in his parables that if we commit a sin against someone we are to submit ourselves to justice here on this earth as part of our attempt to atone for the sin we committed.
Which parables?
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The church by trying to use religion as a shield to elude justice on earth has been committing the worst kind of blasphemy. No sympathy here.
literally no one is advocating for this. Stupid comment.
1) Matthew 22:17-21
17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Csar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Csar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Csar the things which are Csar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Here Jesus directly states that there is an earthly law and a heavenly law. You should obey the earthly law and the heavenly law. Jesus understood that in order to have a functional society you had to have both. And that both needed to be followed.
Romans 13 enumerates that the laws of men should be obeyed because they are there to prevent evil works. Specifically 1-6.
But the best examples of this Jesus gives us is in Matthew 5:40-41
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Verse 40- enumerates that if you have wronged someone then in order to fully repent you are required to not only submit to to the law to make recompense and repent you must do everything your conscience demands in order to make it right- if earthly law demands you recompense with your coat, do not ONLY offer your coat, offer up your cloak also.
Some people seem to think asking for repentance from God is good enough. It is not. Submitting yourself to punishment, recompense, and earthly justice is also required as evidenced in not only this but the next verse.
There was a common practice the Romans used in which they conscripted locals to guide or be messengers for official Roman purposes. Locals detested this practice and Romans were forbidden from requiring the locals they conscripted to go more than a Roman mile. The locals detested and hated this practice and tried to find every excuse to avoid it. Here Jesus is saying that not only should you submit yourself to earthly law but you should go above and beyond your duties to submit to earthly law.
2) The church has been doing this regarding the child abuse cases since they first happened. If you want to use your religion as a means to allow criminals to continue to commit crimes or seek to use your religion as a shield to protect offenders (illegal aliens, child molesters, rapists) then your religion deserves to be heavily regulated and slapped on the wrist. Period.
My intention was not to say y'all were advocating for child molestation. What I was saying was that if you Don't like it the government feeling the need to get entangled in religious affairs Then maybe don't allow child molestors to operate freely in your ranks. This goes for fundamentalist Mormons, cults, AND the Catholic Church.
LOL I would like to see how many of y'all on here would advocate for letting fundamentalist Mormons practice outright polygamy again because not allowing them to do so violates their first amendment right to practice religion.....or Muslims to operate sharia courts outside the bounds of our civil courts....neither of those are allowed because the practice is usually used to allow individuals to prey upon vulnerable individuals- child brides, honor killings, abhorrent punishment for Muslim women, etc....
Well now the Catholic Church is using secret confessionals and the excuse of secret religious repentance to allow priests to become repeat offenders and avoid justice.... tomato tomahto
The fact that the Catholic Church leadership refuses to come clean and fix this problem and that church members are not banging down the doors of the Vatican to correct obviously unchristian, immoral, and EVIL practices led to the government getting involved. The church has had years to Get their house in order and has refused to do it.
So like I said zero sympathy. There are plenty of other religions who have taken hits to their 1st amendment rights because of practices the US government and society deem unseemly and immoral. The church had plenty of chances and operated with impunity enabling this sick and twisted behavior and now we as a society are sick of it.