ramblin_ag02 said:Adam's "birth" was definitely different than ours, but I think making more of it than that gets you in a lot of trouble. You could certainly make the argument that only Adam and Jesus had free will based on the idea of original sin. That leaves a major problem though. If that's the case, then Adam and Jesus were fundamentally different from us. So much different than us than you can't even call them human but instead they would be superhuman. Or else if they are human then we are subhuman. That flies in the face of all teachings that Jesus was human the same way that we are human.Quote:
I'll ask the same question I asked K2.
Is there any part of Adam' birth, (I don't think he had a conception per se) that is similar to ours?
Even more simply, was Adam born with Original/Ancestral sin?
I accept original sin in the context of human frailty, mortality, and the need for reproduction. In other words, I accept the physical consequences of Adam's original sin. I disagree that original sin somehow makes us different than pre-fall Adam in other ways.
You raise the same question I have.
Do the effects (or lack of effects) of an external force (Ancestral/Original sin) change the definition of humanity?