Torbush
Masculinity and femininity are empty, ever-changing concepts with no real value or virtue.Quote:
We don't need the "right" kind of masculinity or femininity (which is often defined by society and ever-changing). We need followers of Christ to look like Jesus. He's the example, for both men and women.
ramblin_ag02 said:
Some people have abilities and capabilities that other people don't. Some of those are related to sex.
This seems seriously flawed. My brother is a stay-at-home dad. His wife is a corporate patent attorney. When they had their 2nd child, he decided to quit his job so they could homeschool. Is he less "masculine" because of that? I think it's silly to make such a claim. As for fixing a faucet, there are some women who love stuff like that and have a skill for it. There are some men who aren't. My wife is far more technologically savvy than I am, and she's always the one to set up, or fix, any electronics issue. She's possesses a skill that I do not. And "actively parenting your kids" knows no gender construct. Both mother/father should be active parents.Quote:
Its working late, fixing the broken faucet and actively parenting your kids.
This the kind of masculinity we need.
I would disagree. I think it can have very real adverse impact, especially on young boys. When we have a flawed understanding of what it means to "be a man", then we can pass those things down to our children. There was a great Ted Talk from a former NFL player on this problem:AggieRain said:
Toxic masculinity is just another in a long line of boogeymen.
Well, I think that highlights the problem of how society defines masculinity, especially since it implicitly states that being a stay-at-home parent doesn't involve "working". It's just providing for a family by working towards their education/emotional support/upbringing, as opposed to working for their financial support. The areas in which they "work to provide" are simply different, but they are still working to provide.AstroAg17 said:
I'd claim that being a stay-at-home dad is less masculine than providing for your family by working. It doesn't seem like a silly claim to me, it seems obvious based on how our society defines masculinity.
If working at home is "working", then why do you have an issue with this post:RetiredAg said:Well, I think that highlights the problem of how society defines masculinity, especially since it implicitly states that being a stay-at-home parent doesn't involve "working". It's just providing for a family by working towards their education/emotional support/upbringing, as opposed to working for their financial support. The areas in which they "work to provide" are simply different, but they are still working to provide.AstroAg17 said:
I'd claim that being a stay-at-home dad is less masculine than providing for your family by working. It doesn't seem like a silly claim to me, it seems obvious based on how our society defines masculinity.
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It's working late, fixing the broken faucet and actively parenting your kids.
Because I am operating under the assumption that when he is talking about "working late", he's referring to staying in the office late, then coming home. Also, fixing a broken faucet or "actively parenting your kids" has nothing to do with masculinity.tehmackdaddy said:If working at home is "working", then why do you have an issue with this post:RetiredAg said:Well, I think that highlights the problem of how society defines masculinity, especially since it implicitly states that being a stay-at-home parent doesn't involve "working". It's just providing for a family by working towards their education/emotional support/upbringing, as opposed to working for their financial support. The areas in which they "work to provide" are simply different, but they are still working to provide.AstroAg17 said:
I'd claim that being a stay-at-home dad is less masculine than providing for your family by working. It doesn't seem like a silly claim to me, it seems obvious based on how our society defines masculinity.Quote:
It's working late, fixing the broken faucet and actively parenting your kids.
I'm not saying the problem was with what you said, but how society defines masculinity. Having a job isn't, in and of itself, masculine. It doesn't make one less masculine to not have one, especially when the reason is to work at home as your child's primary source of education and physical support. Unpaid labor or paid labor, it doesn't really matter. The stay-at-home parent still provides for their family, just in different ways.AstroAg17 said:You're conflating the two definitions of working. You knew that I meant working to mean having a job, and you pretended that I was using working to mean labor. Don't be disingenuous. You knew what I meant and I didn't imply stay at home parents don't labor.RetiredAg said:
Well, I think that highlights the problem of how society defines masculinity, especially since it implicitly states that being a stay-at-home parent doesn't involve "working".
I didn't put words in your mouth. I never claimed you said the examples were exhaustive. I addressed your examples specifically, and how flawed they are and seem to point to a flawed understanding of masculinity.Seamaster said:
Odd. RetiredAg putting words in my mouth again.
Sigh. I didn't say that the examples I gave were exhaustive. Sure, a stay at home dad can be authentically masculine too.
k2aggie07 said:
Curious - true or false:
In general, a man will be more suited to working out of the home, and a woman will be more suited to staying home with the children.
i'm not sure.k2aggie07 said:
Curious - true or false:
In general, a man will be more suited to working out of the home, and a woman will be more suited to staying home with the children.
Athanasius said:k2aggie07 said:
Curious - true or false:
In general, a man will be more suited to working out of the home, and a woman will be more suited to staying home with the children.
that's what she said?Dad-O-Lot said:
A true man is willing to do what is necessary even if it isn't what he's most comfortable doing or what he's best at.
I think men are best at getting women pregnant, and women are best at having babies. I'm not saying any more than that. Nowadays even that is enough to get someone set upon by the SJ mobQuote:
Here's another - true or false:
Traditional gender roles are a kind of average expression of absolute physiological differences between the sexes?