Imagine no John Lennon
It's easy if you try
See God said its appointed
For all men once to die

Imagine all the people...living hopeless lies

Oo ooo ohh.... one day they will see Him
But too late it will be
Their foolish eyes will open
As they take a bended knee

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oldarmy1 said:

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I must have struck a nerve....or was it a "chord".

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No religion + free market capitalism.

"When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat."~Ronald Reagan

So the next time someone robs a liquor store and kills a clerk in the process, and it has nothing to do with religion, we can blame atheism. We can blame lack of religion for a lot of crime and violence.

DryFly said:

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So the next time someone robs a liquor store and kills a clerk in the process, and it has nothing to do with religion, we can blame atheism. We can blame lack of religion for a lot of crime and violence.

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You think it is more or less likely that an armed robber is atheist?

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So by the same token I could claim that had everyone been religious, than we would have not been the atomic bomb since it was made by non-religious organizations.

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So since the atomic bomb ended the bloodiest war ever and has ended all out war for the last 70 years you're saying if everyone was religious we wouldn't have peace?

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So by the same token I could claim that had everyone been religious, than we would have not been the atomic bomb since it was made by non-religious organizations.

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So since the atomic bomb ended the bloodiest war ever and has ended all out war for the last 70 years you're saying if everyone was religious we wouldn't have peace?

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Woah...you mean to tell me that we can't simply say XXX = YYY and cover all scenarios and/or moral discussion.

And here I was believing the OP.

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So by the same token I could claim that had everyone been religious, than we would have not been the atomic bomb since it was made by non-religious organizations.

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So since the atomic bomb ended the bloodiest war ever and has ended all out war for the last 70 years you're saying if everyone was religious we wouldn't have peace?

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Woah...you mean to tell me that we can't simply say XXX = YYY and cover all scenarios and/or moral discussion.

And here I was believing the OP.

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Everyone who agrees with the OP = fool

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DryFly said:

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So the next time someone robs a liquor store and kills a clerk in the process, and it has nothing to do with religion, we can blame atheism. We can blame lack of religion for a lot of crime and violence.

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You think it is more or less likely that an armed robber is atheist?

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Armed robbers typically aren't committed Christians, I can certainly tell you that.

No Religion = Peace begs the question what's makes religions un-peaceful?

I agree that when people are judgmental, hypocritical, selfish, abusive, intolerant, murderous in the name of religion the word would be much more peaceful. The irony is that no one spoke out against religiousness more than Jesus. "Come to me all you who are heavy laden.." refers to the heavy burdens the religious leaders were putting on the people...'and I will give you rest for your souls."

Imagine you are in church and someone stands up and exhorts the crowd with these words from Amos...

Alas, you who are longing for the day of the Lord,
For what purpose will the day of the Lord be to you?
It will be darkness and not light;
19 As when a man flees from a lion
And a bear meets him,
Or goes home, leans his hand against the wall
And a snake bites him.
20 Will not the day of the Lord be darkness instead of light,
Even gloom with no brightness in it?
21 "I hate, I reject your festivals,
Nor do I delight in your solemn assemblies.
22 "Even though you offer up to Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings,
I will not accept them;
And I will not even look at the peace offerings of your fatlings.
23 "Take away from Me the noise of your songs;
I will not even listen to the sound of your harps.
24 "But let justice roll down like waters
And righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.


If you read the book the people were 'being religious' while exploiting the poor and accepting bribes in court, etc. God cares more about loving him and loving others than religiousness.

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So the next time someone robs a liquor store and kills a clerk in the process, and it has nothing to do with religion, we can blame atheism. We can blame lack of religion for a lot of crime and violence.

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You think it is more or less likely that an armed robber is atheist?

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Armed robbers typically aren't committed Christians, I can certainly tell you that.

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No true Scotsman?

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I get where you are going with that, but this probably isn't the right situation to play that card.

If every human did one thing Jesus said to do for one week, think of how peaceful this world would be.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Don't know about others, but I don't wanna be murdered, assaulted, conned, scammed, have my wife cheat on me, etc.

Maybe some on this forum would like all that. Not me.

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A lot of religious people seem almost giddy at the idea of nonbelievers being punished after death.

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This is said a lot on this board.

There's a corollary to "no true Scotsman"

it is, "I lot of Scotsman seem to..."

I agree that religion caused so much war and conflict in the world but I'm not really sure if without it will result to peace. In order to have peace, human beings should understand their nature and accept humility and open-mindedness. By then, peace will become doable.

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I agree that religion caused so much war and conflict in the world but I'm not really sure if without it will result to peace. In order to have peace, human beings should understand their nature and accept humility and open-mindedness. By then, peace will become doable.

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Might as well just say if we got rid of poor people there would be less violence.

I'm just amazed that this post received 32 likes.

Does this board even have 32 posters?

The world would certainly smell nicer.

Liking a TampaBayAg post is always a good move.

No one likes a kiss-ass.

That's why you're solo?

Without religion the world would have dissolved into chaos a long time ago. With religion we have wars where religion is used as a tool but at least it is more organized.

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Without religion the world would have dissolved into chaos a long time ago. With religion we have wars where religion is used as a tool but at least it is more organized.

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War is more organized with religion?