What are we supposed to do with this video?

I don't really desire to get into real estate squabbles at all.
I think the whole thing is pretty sad..but I'm not invested in a religious way..and I don't think Israel is particularly concerned about being good allies to us..so I'm not politically invested either.

I pray for peace, but with little optimism.

That was what I was about to say... I'm not sure some random muslim guy in the UK is the best person to give an unbiased viewpoint...regardless of what he says.

I'd rather listen to a palestinian muslim, jew and Chrstian each talk about it.

Understood. If you are interested, this is an organization we met with while in the West Bank: Tent of Nations. It's a Palestinian Christian who is working to promote nonviolence and reconciliation over there. This is a good video about him and his story: https://vimeo.com/29677206

AstroAg17 said:

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Satan probably. Don't y'all just blame all the bad stuff on him?

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Where did he learn it from?

It goes all the way to the top

AstroAg17 said:

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Satan probably. Don't y'all just blame all the bad stuff on him?

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Basically? Yes.

Hate comes from fear, wouldn't you say? Fear of competition for resources, fear of the unknown, etc..

That type of fear comes from not knowing whether or not "the other" will destroy you if you don't destroy him. Or from a Christian perspective, that fear comes from not trusting or knowing that there is a God who cares for you, regardless of what happens to you.

RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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I'm not so sure. I think we are born with a propensity to hate. With a propensity to fear.

AstroAg17 said:

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Satan probably. Don't y'all just blame all the bad stuff on him?

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I'm curious, from an evolutionary-atheistic worldview do you believe evil exists? Where did it originate?

Drum5343 said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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I'm not so sure. I think we are born with a propensity to hate. With a propensity to fear.

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Oh I think it's more that we are born with a propensity to fear. Fear does not always lead to hate. It takes one modelling fear-to-hate for children to learn to channel that fear into hate. At least that's how I see it.

RetiredAg said:

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Drum5343 said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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I'm not so sure. I think we are born with a propensity to hate. With a propensity to fear.

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Oh I think it's more that we are born with a propensity to fear. Fear does not always lead to hate. It takes one modelling fear-to-hate for children to learn to channel that fear into hate. At least that's how I see it.

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Who knows I guess. Would be extremely hard to prove either way.

But I think a fear of being annihilated or out-competed will lead to something that at least looks like hate in most people, unless they have a reason not to fear or a reason not to hate.

RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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Please support this theologically. It sounds like you're saying some sins are learned, so I'm curious about your belief on original sin and how we know which sins are learned and which ones aren't.

Drum5343 said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Drum5343 said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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I'm not so sure. I think we are born with a propensity to hate. With a propensity to fear.

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Oh I think it's more that we are born with a propensity to fear. Fear does not always lead to hate. It takes one modelling fear-to-hate for children to learn to channel that fear into hate. At least that's how I see it.

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Who knows I guess. Would be extremely hard to prove either way.

But I think a fear of being annihilated or out-competed will lead to something that at least looks like hate in most people, unless they have a reason not to fear or a reason not to hate.

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Yeah, I see what you are saying. I think we are just climbing the same mountain, but from different sides. Basically, if I understand you correctly, fear/hate is a propensity we are born with but must teach/train children to overcome. I see it the other way. Hate is not something we are born with, but is the result of poor teaching/training from parents. Either way, it's up to parents to train/teach/model fearless and loving behavior for their children, whether that is to combat something we are born with or to combat a mindset from taking hold.

aggiegamecock said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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Please support this theologically. It sounds like you're saying some sins are learned, so I'm curious about your belief on original sin and how we know which sins are learned and which ones aren't.

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Islam doesn't have a concept of original sin. God forgave Adam and Eve in the Qur'anic version of Genesis.

Good thing I don't believe in original sin.

We are all made as icons of God. No natural state is evil. Sin is separation from God and is like a disease that needs to be cured. Our base state is more or less a state of separation.

Yes, Orthodox. Haven't really thoroughly vetted these and orthodox wiki isn't always the best.

http://www.oncedeliveredfaith.com/2014/07/05/original-sin/

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Original_sin

canadiaggie said:

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aggiegamecock said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Nobody is "born to hate". It is learned. Just as it is learned by many on the other side to hate Muslims.

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Please support this theologically. It sounds like you're saying some sins are learned, so I'm curious about your belief on original sin and how we know which sins are learned and which ones aren't.

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Islam doesn't have a concept of original sin. God forgave Adam and Eve in the Qur'anic version of Genesis.

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Retired is not Muslim though. He identifies as Protestant.

k2aggie07 said:

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Good thing I don't believe in original sin.

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Good thing you didn't classify sin as a learned behavior. My kids have taught me that hate doesn't have to be learned. A two year old would kill you in a heartbeat for not serving pancakes at every meal if they could reach the knives.

I wish I had the Damien sock so bad right now.